New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-05 20:34

  Quote from Kapra;1259588:

  Percent damage is already a bad idea, we don't need more percent damage unless you plan on making potions be percent and not insane to obtain.

  
  
  The raid itself is poorly designed due to the mobs being far stronger than the dragons themselves. Also increased reliance on party healing.
  
  
  -Entering a Iria Raid zone forces squad entry.
  -Squads can now make missions for Iria Raid bosses.
  -Teleport feature altered to warp the player to the chosen mission's location (e.g. Girgashiy warps to Knight Assembly, Red Dragon warps to Renes Volcano, etc.). As a result, Dragon Messenger NPCs are removed.
  -Party healing potions. Vindictus has them.
  -Trade Assistant Imp now sells Falias Fragments for 50k Ducats a piece. If they were able to take Falias Artifacts it would make sense for them to take the Fragments too.
  -Keith's PTJ changed from giving the mail to a random player to a random NPC. Giving to player is extremely flawed due to afkers, bots, busy people, trolls, etc.
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-05 21:23
  Part-Time Job rewards scale on number of completions instead of capping at 100. Base rewards are boosted and changed to Gold focus, EXP focus and Item focus. E.G. A Grocer's PTJ may have a job that pays entirely in seeds or a General Shop PTJ may give a discount coupon. A Weapon Shop PTJ may give a free repair coupon.
  
  Blacksmithing/Tailoring manuals are replaced with unique items needed to craft that project. Said items are not necessarily used for only one project; Fancy Lace, for example, could be used for several different Tailoring projects of similar rarity. Manuals are instead one-time use objects to add the project to a crafting list similar to the one using in Cooking. In this way, Gacha can still give out rare Fashionogi items, but it can do so in a way that does not invalidate Tailoring and that gives a little more player choice, potentially. Also, events can give out great weapons, but by giving a unique part for the weapon instead of the final product, they won't make Blacksmithing useless. Also, the variety of weapons may be increased.
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-01-08 07:59
  I wish we could make a potion to heal and resist holy contagion for a minute or two, using like, a base potion, holy water, and an antidote potion. That or shield of trust lets you resist it for 20 seconds.
  
  Forest purification can now be tackled with a raid party, and has a daily quest for a seal, 5ap coupons, and 75k exp.
  Egg protection can now be tackled with a raid party and also has a daily quest for a seal, 5ap coupons, and 35k exp. (You must beat a total of 15 waves total.)
  Daily theater mission, a random 1 of them, not counting MA. Anything but expedition will give 10ap coupon and the same exp as daily shadow mission, but expedition will give 20. (It still doubles the exp for completing it.)
  
  Guild share exp.
  For every raid(0.01%), mission/theater(0.001%), dungeon monster(0.005%), and guild quest(50%) taken out/completed, the exp will be shared to the entire guild. This exp will build up and can be viewed on the guild page or at the guild stone, at every Sunday will be distributed 100% equally to all guild members (waiting up to a full week to give it to those not currently online). Any extra exp will be added to the next weeks pot.
  
  Regular quests, party quests, and dailies do not count. Egg protection monsters and Forest purification monsters will count to dungeon monsters, while the finish exp will count as mission exp.
  
  Idk..I just wish guilds had more things that large groups of people could do. :-/ We tried to go into Egg protection with a raid party..got in with 9...kicked us out for having more than 8 people -_-. We're also 80% sure the 9th person in the party didn't get wave completion exp for purification...
  
  Most missions don't allow for that many people. Not everyone has g19 done or wants to. No one wants to do purification/egg due to difficulty vs reward...
  
  
  Oh aaaaaaaand you can quit a 'dead' guild through Eavan. Because fuck having to go on the damn website for that. >.>
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-08 09:51

  Quote from Slayerj;1260318:

  Guild share exp.
  For every raid(0.01%), mission/theater(0.001%), dungeon monster(0.005%), and guild quest(50%) taken out/completed, the exp will be shared to the entire guild. This exp will build up and can be viewed on the guild page or at the guild stone, at every Sunday will be distributed 100% equally to all guild members (waiting up to a full week to give it to those not currently online). Any extra exp will be added to the next weeks pot.

  
  This sounds like a REALLY bad idea. Ignoring question of balancing issues, at least give me the option to not level up. I have to rebirth so I'm a low enough level (with CP gear) to get the CP I want, and have to force myself to die so I don't get too much exp and level up. This just sounds like a terrible idea.
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-09 00:26

  Quote from SlayerJ:

  Forest purification can now be tackled with a raid party, and has a daily quest for a seal, 5ap coupons, and 75k exp.
  Egg protection can now be tackled with a raid party and also has a daily quest for a seal, 5ap coupons, and 35k exp. (You must beat a total of 15 waves total.)
  Daily theater mission, a random 1 of them, not counting MA. Anything but expedition will give 10ap coupon and the same exp as daily shadow mission, but expedition will give 20. (It still doubles the exp for completing it.)
  
  Guild share exp.
  For every raid(0.01%), mission/theater(0.001%), dungeon monster(0.005%), and guild quest(50%) taken out/completed, the exp will be shared to the entire guild. This exp will build up and can be viewed on the guild page or at the guild stone, at every Sunday will be distributed 100% equally to all guild members (waiting up to a full week to give it to those not currently online). Any extra exp will be added to the next weeks pot.
  
  Regular quests, party quests, and dailies do not count. Egg protection monsters and Forest purification monsters will count to dungeon monsters, while the finish exp will count as mission exp.

  
  
  Marvelous ideas! I had completely forgotten about Forest Purification, actually, but it could be useful if rebalanced. Same goes for egg protection.
  
  The guild exp is a nice something but it'd also require changes to the guild quest system in general. Also, it should pull in exp from non-combat things as well or some sister system should be implemented that would allow production focused players to contribute as well.
  
  

  Quote from Kapra:

  This sounds like a REALLY bad idea. Ignoring question of balancing issues, at least give me the option to not level up. I have to rebirth so I'm a low enough level (with CP gear) to get the CP I want, and have to force myself to die so I don't get too much exp and level up. This just sounds like a terrible idea.

  
  
  Is it a bad idea or just one that doesn't fit with your oddly specific circumstances?
  
  It's probably a good call to ask the player before giving them the exp, though, wouldn't that solve your issue? What balance problems do you see coming? Since it's a % increase, it'd be very easy adjust it to something that would work. Only the edge case of a few high level mission spammers in a guild of lowbies seems off, but even then, Devcat gives lowbies daily rebirths so it's likely fine if they get a bit more AP.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-09 00:39
  [SPOILER="Melee Tweaks"]Normal Attack:
  

  
  
  • No longer causes invulnerability frames on the enemy on knockdown. This here is one of the main issues that negates party play due to interrupting potential combos.
    

  
  
  Combat Mastery:
  

  
  
  • Humans and Elves have the same stat growth as Giants: 20 Max Damage, 10 Min Damage, 47 Strength, and 13 Dexterity. A small buff to humans, but a very huge increase for Elves.
    

  
  
  Smash:
  

  
  
  • No longer causes invulnerability frames on the enemy on knockdown.
    
  • The following skills can be loaded, but not used during its animation: Defense, Counterattack, Windmill, Final Hit, Charge, Bolt/Healing Magic, Doppelganger. The purpose here is to increase the versatility and also remove vulnerability.
    
  • Animation lock after hitting an enemy removed, allowing immediate movement and/or attacking after Smash connects. Same reason as above.
    

  
  
  Defense:
  

  
  
  • Party Defense bonus range increased from 1m -> 10m. Literally requiring players to STAND ONTOP of someone to get that bonus is ridiculously small compared to Party Healing or Enduring Melody.
    
  • Overall damage reduction with shield reduced. These values are ridiculously high and if I'm not mistaken Large Shield's current value was unintentional.
    
    
    
    • Small Shield: 50% -> 25%
      
    • Medium Shield: 70% -> 50%
      
    • Large Shield: 100% -> 70%
      
    
    
  • Animation lock after blocking an attack removed, allowing immediate movement and/or attacking after Defense occurs.
    
  • Giants can use Defense with a Lance if equipped with a Shield.
    

  
  
  Counterattack/Lance Counter/Counter Punch:
  

  
  
  • No longer causes invulnerability frames on the enemy on knockdown.
    
  • Animation lock after hitting an enemy removed, allowing immediate movement and/or attacking after Counterattack connects.
    
  • Damage factors in enemy skill multipliers (e.g. 500% Smash). For a 1:1 skill, it is very weak; Windmill or Defense retaliation is much more stronger than this.
    
  • Critical Hit Rate factors in user critical rate. This skill only factors in enemy critical, which is either low or the enemy has more protection than critical.
    

  
  
  Windmill:
  

  
  
  • Animation lock removed at 1 second into the animation rather than the full 2.3 seconds, allowing earlier movement and/or attacking.
    

  
  
  Evasion:
  

  
  
  • Uncap from Rank 6 -> 1.
    

  
  
  Final Hit:
  

  
  
  • Renovation 400% damage per hit decreased to 150%. 400% is ridiculously excessive.
    
  • Renovation durability no consumption feature applied to all weapons instead of only swords, blunts, and axes.
    
  • Non-Dual Wielding hit changed from force knockdown to stun with no knockdown buildup, akin to Dual Wielding. The force knockdown feature is silly and stupid and constantly gets in the way, also very inconvenient due to Normal Attack knockdown causing invulnerability frames and if even that were to be removed attacking a downed enemy cancels its "get-up" animation and immediately retaliates.
    

  
  
  Taunt:
  

  
  
  • Learnable by all races. There aren't many tanks in this game, even though all races have access to "the Tank". I want to be able to protect my friends when they're in danger, as a Human. Even Human Shakespeare can use Taunt.
    
  • Range increased from 4m -> 10m at Rank 1. It's really small which makes it unviable.
    

  
  
  Wind Guard:
  

  
  
  • Any skill can be used during Wind Guard (EXCEPT Charge and Lance Charge) other than only Normal Attack, Taunt, Windmill, or Meditation, increasing its versatility.
    
  • Allow walking. Defense allowed running with a shield in Renovation.
    
  • Allow items and potions to be used. Final Hit allowed this in Renovation.
    

  
  
  Sword/Axe/Blunt/Shield/Light Armor/Heavy Armor Mastery:
  

  
  
  • Scythes are lumped into Sword category.
    
  • Rank of equipment mastery determines what weapons can be wielded, e.g. Claymore requires Rank 9 Sword Mastery and Beam Sword requires Rank 1. The purpose here is prevent newbies from having immediate access to Beam Swords and destroy everything at novice level. It makes sense too; the newbie gets stronger as they get more experienced and that concept should apply with the equipment masteries. A similar limitation also applies in Vindictus.
    

  
  
  Berserk:
  

  
  
  • Animation lock on start-up removed.
    
  • Intelligence, Defense, Protection, Magic Defense, and Magic Protection decrease lowered from 100% -> 75% at Rank 9 and again to 50% at Rank 1.
    

  
  
  Dual Wielding:
  

  
  
  • Axes can be dual wielded. Three NPCs can do it and Milletians are supposed to be stronger than NPCs due to their relentless growth.
    
  • Humans can dual wield blunts.
    
  • Giants can dual wield swords. One NPC can do it.
    
  • Elves are able to dual wield.
    

  
  
  Restrictions Lifts:
  

  
  
  • Two-handed Blunts and Axes for Humans and two-handed Swords, Blunt, and Axes, but not Lances, for Elves. They're already capable of using some two-handed weapons like Brionac, and it opens up more melee options for them. Also, both races can wield the 2h Renovation Celtic weapons.
    
  • Dual wield for Elves.
    
  • Heavy Armor for Elves. They're already capable of gearing with Royal Knight Armor or Bhafel Slayer, which are the best heavy armors in the game.
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  [SPOILER="Girgashiy Raid"]Difficulty:
  

  
  
  • Solo:
    
    
    
    • Holy Contagion damage reduced from 5% -> 2.5%. This thing easily overpowers my self-Party Healing.
      
    • Mineral Hail damage reduced from 50% -> 25%. For a solo, the damage this thing does is excessive compared to in easy.
      
    • Girgashiy can use Holy Confinement at 65% HP, but deals 2% injury damage. The purpose here is to have more easy access to the daily order.
      
    • Girgashiy can use Soul Absorption at 20% HP, but deals 50% damage.
      
    
    
  • Easy:
    
    
    
    • Girgashiy can use Soul Absorption at 25% HP, but deals 50% damage.
      
    
    

  
  
  Orders:
  

  
  
  • Daily:
    
    
    
    • Trophy of War: Gain 'Apostle's Shining Shard' from Girgashiy. - Change it to any Apostle Material/Weapon. RNG makes this task incredibly difficult.
      
    • New Order - Soul Stopper: Interrupt the Girgashiy's Soul Absorption
      
    • New Order - Battlefield Awareness: Witness the Girgashiy's Soul Absorption
      
    • New Order - Crusader: Defeat the Girgashiy using only one type (or none at all) of Crusader Skill
      
    
    
  • Weekly:
    
    
    
    • Lightning Speed: Defeat the Girgashiy within 10 minutes - Remove this. It's one of those objectives that's nearly impossible to complete.
      
    • Unfathomable Victory: Eliminate the Girgashiy without dealing any damage - Remove. It's a silly requirement that basically encourages leeching.
      
    • Nothing But A Number: Eliminate the Girgashiy at the age of 10 - Remove. Explained in this thread, it serves as nothing but a nuisance.
      
    • New Order - Close Call: Defeat Girgashiy with less than a minute remaining
      
    • New Order - Divinity-less: Defeat Girgashiy without having anyone use any Crusader Skills
      
    • New Order - Mighty Enemy: Defeat Girgashiy on normal or higher difficulty
      
    
    

  
  
  Rewards:
  

  
  
  • Experience and Gold
    
    
    
    • Solo: 5k Gold -> 12.5k Gold, additionally rewards 750 Crusader EXP
      
    • Easy: 20k EXP -> 100k EXP, 4k Gold -> 15k Gold, additionally rewards 1.5k Crusader EXP
      
    • Normal: 100k EXP -> 250k EXP, 10k Gold -> 20k Gold, additionally rewards 2.5k Crusader EXP
      
    • Hard: 250k EXP -> 500k EXP, 30k Gold -> 50k Gold, additionally rewards 5k Crusader EXP
      
    • Apostle: 500k EXP -> 1m EXP, additionally rewards 10k Crusader EXP
      
    • Daily Order: 100 -> 500 Crusader EXP per objective, 300 -> 1.5k Crusader EXP per entire completion
      
    • Weekly Order: 300 -> 1k Crusader EXP per objective, 1k -> 5k Crusader EXP per entire completion
      
    • Gold rewards are given through a Gold Bag.
      
    
    
  • Drops
    
    
    
    • All items are placed directly in the inventory rather than dropped on the ground.
      
    • Solo has a 100% chance to drop an Apostle Material/Weapon.
      
    • Easy has a 100% chance to drop an Apostle Material/Weapon.
      
    • Normal has a 100% chance to drop two Apostle Materials/Weapons.
      
    • Hard has a 100% chance to drop three Apostle Materials/Weapons.
      
    • Girgashiy has a 100% chance to drop a "miscellaneous" item in conjunction with an Apostle Material/Weapon. Items include high-end Enchants, Special Upgrade Stones, 10cm Gems, etc.
      
    • A single Adventurer Seal is rewarded upon completion. Only once is obtainable per day.
      
    
    

  
  
  Other:
  

  
  
  • Girgashiy has immunity to Windmill's AI aggro reset.
    
  • Celestial Spike can stall souls from Soul Absorption. Just why was this removed in the first place? That just diminishes its usefulness.
    

  [/SPOILER]
• Fracture wrote on 2015-01-09 02:36

  Quote from Darkboy132;1260395:

  
  Defense:
  

  
  
  • Party Defense bonus range increased from 1m -> 10m. Literally requiring players to STAND ON TOP of someone to get that bonus is ridiculously small compared to Party Healing or Enduring Melody.
    
  • Animation lock after blocking an attack removed, allowing immediate movement and/or attacking after Defense occurs.
    

  
  
  Seriously, these changes have been needed for a long time. I get the idea of huddling together for increased defense, but it just doesn't work like that. Milletians don't all group up and tank blows as one before retaliating. It would be cool but it's not how the combat in Mabi works out. Giving it some proper range would allow for a sort of looser phalanx idea. The animation lock also makes defense kinda useless-- combos are short anyway, so why bother defending when you could counter instead and take no damage?
  
  

  Final Hit:
  

  
  
  • Renovation durability no consumption feature applied to all weapons instead of only swords, blunts, and axes.
    
  • Non-Dual Wielding hit changed from force knockdown to stun with no knockdown buildup, akin to Dual Wielding. The force knockdown feature is silly and stupid and constantly gets in the way, also very inconvenient due to Normal Attack knockdown causing invulnerability frames and if even that were to be removed attacking a downed enemy cancels its "get-up" animation and immediately retaliates.
    

  
  
  Yeah, if nothing else it should at least factor in knuckles on the no-dura-use. The fact that they act like dual wielding means at least SOME thought went into using them for FH, but very fast weapons degrade pretty quickly when wailing on an enemy that much. As for non-dual-wield style weapons, I think I'd prefer forced knock-back. That way there's still a distinction between two styles of Final Hitting, but it's much less inconvenient.
  
  

  Taunt:
  

  
  
  • Learnable by all races. There aren't many tanks in this game, even though all races have access to "the Tank". I want to be able to protect my friends when they're in danger, as a Human. Even Human Shakespeare can use Taunt.
    
  • Range increased from 4m -> 10m at Rank 1. It's really small which makes it unviable.
    

  
  
  Wind Guard:
  

  
  
  • Any skill can be used during Wind Guard (EXCEPT Charge and Lance Charge) other than only Normal Attack, Taunt, Windmill, or Meditation, increasing its versatility.
    
  • Allow walking. Defense allowed running with a shield in Renovation.
    
  • Allow items and potions to be used. Final Hit allowed this in Renovation.
    

  
  
  Sword/Axe/Blunt/Shield/Light Armor/Heavy Armor Mastery:
  

  
  
  • Scythes are lumped into Sword category.
    
  • Rank of equipment mastery determines what weapons can be wielded, e.g. Claymore requires Rank 9 Sword Mastery and Beam Sword requires Rank 1. The purpose here is prevent newbies from having immediate access to Beam Swords and destroy everything at novice level. It makes sense too; the newbie gets stronger as they get more experienced and that concept should apply with the equipment masteries. A similar limitation also applies in Vindictus.
    

  
  
  Berserk:
  

  
  
  • Animation lock on start-up removed.
    
  • Intelligence, Defense, Protection, Magic Defense, and Magic Protection decrease lowered from 100% -> 75% at Rank 9 and again to 50% at Rank 1.
    

  
  
  Agreed on all of the above, except that personally I still wish Beam Swords were removed entirely. BDK weapons, Black Star, etc... that's one thing. Beam swords are just ridiculous and don't belong in any capacity.
  
  Humans and elves need to have more party-friendly behaviours available, and the capacity to tank would be a nice one. It would be especially nice if you could load multiple "charges" of defense kinda like icebolt, then use taunt when you have several stacks.
  
  Berserk is kinda cool but the massive defensive crippling makes the adv heavy stander basically useless. It either needs to eventually lift some of that reduction or have a new mechanic, like locking you into not falling under Deadly for the duration or something.
  
  Graduating weapons would be kinda nice, but only if masteries took longer. Otherwise it would only be worthwhile to just get the rF weapon and use it for the entire grind to r1. Scythes being under swords would be nice, since otherwise they're left as a total outlier that act as decoration weapons.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-09 03:42

  Quote from Juno;1260393:

  It's probably a good call to ask the player before giving them the exp, though, wouldn't that solve your issue?

  
  Yea that'd cover my main issue with it. Never force advancement.
  

  Quote from Juno;1260393:

  Only the edge case of a few high level mission spammers in a guild of lowbies seems off, but even then, Devcat gives lowbies daily rebirths so it's likely fine if they get a bit more AP.

  
  Touche.
• ReFuSeR wrote on 2015-01-09 20:29
  I'd like more magic skills. Yeah they made changes and added passive skills but 3 or 4 actual dmg doing skills would be nice
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-09 20:42

  Quote from Fracture;1260403:

  Seriously, these changes have been needed for a long time. I get the idea of huddling together for increased defense, but it just doesn't work like that. Milletians don't all group up and tank blows as one before retaliating. It would be cool but it's not how the combat in Mabi works out. Giving it some proper range would allow for a sort of looser phalanx idea.

  
  
  I honestly wonder how the fuck DevCAT neglected this very tiny tidbit. If I'm not mistaken, Lightning Bolt's auto-cancel is also something that no one cared about.
  
  
  Tumble:
  

  
  
  • Moved to Combat tab and no longer knuckle restricted.
    
  • Does not cancel any loaded skill, e.g. magic.
    

  
  
  Evasion:
  

  
  
  • Does not cancel any loaded skill.
    

  
  
  Lightning Bolt:
  

  
  
  • Now hits 2 enemies per charge at rank 9 and 3 per charge at rank 1.
    
  • No longer "conductable" with other players. Who uses this at all?
    
  • No longer has reduced damage when striking multiple enemies.
    
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-09 23:15

  Quote from Darkboy132;1260533:

  Lightning Bolt:
  

  
  
  • Now hits 2 enemies per charge at rank 9 and 3 per charge at rank 1.
    

  
  That would be a problem unless they make sure lightning bolt doesn't draw aggro. To me and others I know, the purpose if lightning bolt is that it is a fast, single target, skill with decent damage (compared to the other bolts), it's a defense-breaker. Higher charged lightning is treated for different situations than single charge. This change would fore the higher charge's purpose onto the lower.
• Tropa wrote on 2015-01-09 23:20

  Quote from Darkboy132;1260533:

  I honestly wonder how the fuck DevCAT neglected this very tiny tidbit. If I'm not mistaken, Lightning Bolt's auto-cancel is also something that no one cared about.
  
  
  Tumble:
  

  
  
  • Moved to Combat tab and no longer knuckle restricted.
    
  • Does not cancel any loaded skill, e.g. magic.
    

  
  
  Evasion:
  

  
  
  • Does not cancel any loaded skill.
    

  
  
  Yes please.
  
  I'd also like for these skills to have less restrictive animation locks.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-09 23:25

  Quote from Kapra;1260560:

  That would be a problem unless they make sure lightning bolt doesn't draw aggro. To me and others I know, the purpose if lightning bolt is that it is a fast, single target, skill with decent damage (compared to the other bolts), it's a defense-breaker. Higher charged lightning is treated for different situations than single charge. This change would fore the higher charge's purpose onto the lower.

  
  
  I thought splashed enemies just notice you or w/e? The change was meant to make Lightning Bolt's conductivity more useful, I mean Thunder has conductivity which is more noticeable at higher ranks.
  
  

  Quote from Tropa;1260563:

  Yes please.
  
  I'd also like for these skills to have less restrictive animation locks.

  
  
  IIRC doesn't Evasion have a less restrictive lock at rank 9?
• Zeo wrote on 2015-01-09 23:37
  Small changes to the magic skills so elves actually become best with them like they're supposed to be.
  
  Give 10 more int from each Bolt magic skill, totaling 30 int for the elves to compensate for the extra APs they had to spend.
  
  Make elves get 11+ MP from each rank of Magic Mastery instead of 10, and make it get 10 more int as well.
  
  Give additional 10 damage to both min and max for all three bolts, and additional 10 healing points to Healing for elves only.
  
  Give 25 additional healing points to Party Heal for elves only.
  
  Give additional 20 damages to Shockwave for elves only.
  
  Give 15 additional damages to Thunder, and Ice Spear for elves only.
  
  Give 100 additional damages to Fireball for elves only.
  
  Give additional 50 damages to Hailstorm for elves only.
  
  Give additional 200 damages to both physical and magical damage to Meteor Strike for elves only.
• Tropa wrote on 2015-01-09 23:37

  Quote from Darkboy132;1260564:

  IIRC doesn't Evasion have a less restrictive lock at rank 9?

  
  
  Nope, can't load any skills while rolling.
  
  
  
  You can know load Alchemy skills while running
  - Stamina cost will be increased by 0.50.
  
  Spellwalk's Stamina Sapping is now removed.
  - Stamina usage of other skills will be doubled while Spellwalk is active.
  - Spellwalk's Master title now adds +10% Movement speed while Spellwalk is active.