New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-25 20:00

  Quote from Kapra;1262914:

  Spirit Weapon Changes

  
  
  YES!
  
  

  Some things that should be mentioned, my post did not address Spirit Weapon Awakening, and I'm not sure what really needs to be done to it.

  
  
  

  
  
  • Change the damage to a % so it scales with player damage range. Wand/Staff could scale with Magic Attack with a very high coefficient while Cylinder could scale with HP/MP/SP.
    
  • Get rid of the 36 minute recharge cooldown.
    

  
  
  For now that's all that would be needed.
• Fracture wrote on 2015-01-25 21:41

  Quote from Darkboy132;1262952:

  
  

  
  
  • Change the damage to a % so it scales with player damage range. Wand/Staff could scale with Magic Attack with a very high coefficient while Cylinder could scale with HP/MP/SP.
    
  • Get rid of the 36 minute recharge cooldown.
    

  
  

  
  
  That'd be enough for me, probably. The ability to consistently hit a large number of enemies with a multiplier of my max damage without aiming would make me seriously reconsider using my ego bow.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-25 23:32
  Changes to Renovation (Melee):
  
  

  Smash:
  Debuff Activation Rates:
  -Elf: 30%
  -Human: 40%
  -Giant: 50%
  
  Dan 1 adds +5% to this rate.
  Dan 3 adds +10% to this rate.
  "the Master of Smash" adds +10% to this rate.
  
  Example: Giant w/Dan 3 Master of Smash has a 70% activation rate.
  
  Sword - Bleeding Damage: 20 > 40%
  Axe - Defense Reduction: 22 > 30
  Axe - Protection Reduction: 3 > 10

  
  
  Final Hit:
  Additional Damage: 400% > 150%
  
  Taunt:
  Radius: 400 > 800
  Max Targets Lured: 3/5 > 12/15
  
  Wind Guard:
  Load Time [sec]: 1.5 > 0
  Additional Damage: 0% > 200% (applies only to normal attacks)
  
  Lance Counter:
  Damage from Self: 230% > 500%
  
  Lance Charge:
  Damage: 250% > 300%
  
  et cetera:
  10 STR/1 DEF > 30 STR/1 DEF
  Piercing protection bypass: 5% > 3%
  Colin Plate Set now affords Stamina Usage Reduction and Bash Damage.
  
  

  Spirit Sword/Blunt/Bow Awakening:
  Damage changed to Skill Damage + (Skill Multiplier * Base Damage)
  Cooldown removed. Skill must still be charged.
  
  Sword
  Skill Damage: 4,000 > 10,000
  Skill Multiplier: 800%
  
  Blunt
  Skill Damage: 2,970 > 6,500
  Skill Multiplier: 600%
  
  Bow
  Skill Damage: 2,360 > 4000
  Skill Multiplier: 150%

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-25 23:52

  Quote from Kaeporo;1262985:

  Wind Guard:
  Additional Damage: 0% > 200% (applies only to normal attacks)

  
  
  I'd rather they let you use more skills (e.g. Smash), let you walk, and let you use items.
  
  

  Lance Counter:
  Damage from Self: 230% > 500%

  
  
  Eh... Wouldn't it be better Counter reflected skill damage rather than only base?
  
  

  Lance Charge:
  Damage: 250% > 300%

  
  
  But why...? Don't Lances already have enough power? I mean, it can hit 624k...
  
  [video=youtube;jNJyGw_BAe4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNJyGw_BAe4[/video]
  
  

  
  
  • Fireball, Ice Spear, Thunder, and Party Healing lose 1 charge from Novice to 2 instead of all on knockdown. Rank 1 loses no charges instead of 1 on knockdown.
    
  • Hail Storm no longer cancels when knocked down.
    

  
  
  I have a feeling Archer Renovation might rebalance Support Shot training. Several thousand shots per rank is absurd.
• JamesCook16 wrote on 2015-01-26 00:27

  Quote from Darkboy132;1262992:

  But why...? Don't Lances already have enough power? I mean, it can hit 624k...
  
  [SPOILER="642k Lance Charge"][video=youtube;jNJyGw_BAe4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNJyGw_BAe4[/video][/SPOILER]
  

  
  
  [SPOILER="932k Lance Charge"][video=youtube;frQCOCG5cWQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frQCOCG5cWQ[/video][/SPOILER]
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-26 02:59

  Quote from Darkboy132;1262992:

  I'd rather they let you use more skills (e.g. Smash), let you walk, and let you use items.

  
  
  That's a fair point. I would sign off on that.
  
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1262992:

  Eh... Wouldn't it be better Counter reflected skill damage rather than only base?

  
  
  Which monster skills deal over 500% damage? Lance Counter is really terrible, it could use the buff.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1262992:

  But why...? Don't Lances already have enough power? I mean, it can hit 624k...

  
  
  Lance Charge is a pretty average skill on its own. The sheer number and strength of its reforges are what turn it into the highest hitting skill in Mabinogi.
  
  I opted to reduce the effectiveness of piercing while bolstering the strength of lance-specific skills. This directly reduces the offensive power behind piercing Smash spam, encouraging weapon diversity. Lances will be used to capitalize on lance-skills instead of being a straight upgrade over swords, axes, and blunt weapons.
  
  Likewise, it's preferable to nerf Crash Shot's many reforges while buffing the skill itself (e.g. raising target count by two and capping the target count reforge at three level).
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-26 03:30

  Quote from Kaeporo;1263014:

  Which monster skills deal over 500% damage? Lance Counter is really terrible, it could use the buff.

  
  
  Oh... right. Then normal Counterattack and Counter Punch need huge buffs too. For a 1:1 skill it's unusually weak, even weaker than Windmill.
  
  That critical rate also has been bugging me for a while. Only monster's critical doesn't mean anything when their critical is usually lower than their effective Protection, I think.
  
  

  Lance Charge is a pretty average skill on its own. The sheer number and strength of its reforges are what turn it into the highest hitting skill in Mabinogi.
  
  I opted to reduce the effectiveness of piercing while bolstering the strength of lance-specific skills. This directly reduces the offensive power behind piercing Smash spam, encouraging weapon diversity. Lances will be used to capitalize on lance-skills instead of being a straight upgrade over swords, axes, and blunt weapons.
  
  Likewise, it's preferable to nerf Crash Shot's many reforges while buffing the skill itself (e.g. raising target count by two and capping the target count reforge at three level).

  
  
  Hm, fair point.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-26 08:44

  Quote from Darkboy132;1263020:

  Oh... right. Then normal Counterattack and Counter Punch need huge buffs too. For a 1:1 skill it's unusually weak, even weaker than Windmill.

  
  
  I base a lot of my suggestions on the Smogon tier system, which is based on perceived power and usage. Counterattack doesn't pack a lot of power but it has tons of usage, thus a buff is not needed. Lance Counter and Chain:Counter-punch, on the other hand, are similarly weak but have poor usage. Thus these two skills should receive additional benefits, fostering the adoption of tactics which utilize them.
  
  A nerf should be considered when one tactic or skill centralizes the gameplay in an unhealthy manner. Final Hit, Way of the Gun, and Firebolt are notable examples as they're extremely effective and reliable despite requiring either minimal initial investment or incurring only negligible sustainment costs. When you face off against iria raids, girgashiy, or most heavy bosses you're bound to see a hugely disproportionate number of people using only these skills. While other tactics (lance smash/elf magnum) can be effective, they usually require a greater initial investment, which is disproportionate to usage.
  
  Don't get me wrong; something can excel in one area. The problem is when a singular tactic renders multiple other tactics largely obsolete. Gredninja, for example, is a great sweeper but that's about the extent of its usefulness. The issue is that he heavily penalized hyper offense teams, which reduced diversity across the board by requiring obscure psuedo-checks.
  
  Crisis similarly reduces the effectiveness of several other tactics during the martial arts tournament but it also opens up several new tactics which you won't really see anywhere else. Despite high usage and centralization, the impact can be arguably positive or negative. All of these things should be taken into account. Accurate metrics are vital.
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-01-27 07:03
  [S]back peddling here[/S]
  Final Hit:
  Now deals 150% with dual wield, 275% with a single 1h weapon, and 350% with a 2h and 125% with knuckles.
  
  Doppelganger:
  Every 5-10 hits (depends on rank) will result in 1 full death count for the skills charge.
  
  Fighter stuff:
  Knuckle mastery:
  Balance increased to 15%
  
  Chain Mastery:
  Rank1: Cool-down reduction Human/Elf increased to 15% and for giants 25%
  Now increases the time you have to use your next chain skill by 1 second at rank 9 and 2 seconds at rank 5 and up.
  
  Tumble: Tumble no longer requires you to have knuckles on at rank 9+ but the distance you travel is reduced by 30% and an additional 20% if you are wearing heavy armor until rank 1. At rank 1 the heavy armor penalty is reduced to 10% This doesn't count to giants.
  
  Chain: Counter Punch:
  Renamed to just Counter Punch.
  You may now walk with this skill.
  No longer enters cooldown upon being canceled.
  Critical hit rate is based on the players crit rate. (If only our damage is going to be taken into account, then so should our crit)
  Heavy Stander mobs will still be stunned.
  
  Respite:
  Starting at rank 5 has a 100% chance to get rid of poison.
  No longer harms you for using magic or alchemy.
  Now only takes 2 seconds to use, 1 second to load.
  Heals 1-3% of your hp from ranks F to 9, and 5-8% from then on and 10-12% at rank 1.
  Heals 1 to 3% of your hp from ranks F to 9, 5-8% from 8 to 5, and 10-12 from 4 to 1.
  Mends 25 wound at any rank. Has a 40% chance to do this. It will always do this first before healing you.
  Recovers 5%, 10%, 15%, and finally 20% SP at ranks F, 9, 5, and 1.
  Getting hit while doing respite will cause you to take dmg without factoring in protection, magic protection, ignore mana shield, and half of your defense. So uh, don't use it in combat unless you're 100% sure you can.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-27 07:54

  Quote from Slayerj;1263177:

  Chain: Counter Punch:
  Renamed to just Counter Punch.
  You may now walk with this skill.
  No longer enters cooldown upon being canceled.
  Critical hit rate is based on the players crit rate. (If only our damage is going to be taken into account, then so should our crit)
  Heavy Stander mobs will still be stunned.

  
  That kind of makes this skill too easy to use. It's not like its not already useful, I don't understand what you're trying to fix. That kind of removes the strategy behind it, if you use counter punch for too long, just cancel and reload the skill and the timer resets. I don't think either of these two changes are really balancing the skill. The rest of your post seems okay. Not sure how I feel about percent based HP recovery outside of potions/cleric talent but its tolerable.
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-01-27 08:29

  Quote from Kapra;1263184:

  That kind of makes this skill too easy to use. It's not like its not already useful, I don't understand what you're trying to fix. That kind of removes the strategy behind it, if you use counter punch for too long, just cancel and reload the skill and the timer resets. I don't think either of these two changes are really balancing the skill. The rest of your post seems okay. Not sure how I feel about percent based HP recovery outside of potions/cleric talent but its tolerable.

  
  
  The HP heal is very small untill rank 1 but I guess it could be even smaller and still be okay. Though that wouldn't help new players as much as it would older ones...I think. Though I will change it now.
  
  As for the counter punch thing.
  
  1. After this first part of the renovation update, you can walk with counter (with a normal close combat weapon). So why not counter punch get the same treatment?
  2. Canceling counter doesn't trigger a cooldown, only using t. Why should counter punch be any different?
  
  The only reason I think Lance counter (which does need a slight buff or something cus it fails WAY too much and is far too unreliable) shouldn't be able to walk with (maybe unless a giant) is because that's a massive weapon you have there that you can't even defend with, let alone do a normal counter attack. You have to set yourself up to do it. (Only saying this in case someone wants to bring up lance counter and why I didn't touch on it.)
  
  
  
  Respite change: Rank F through 9 you heal 2% hp. rank 8 through 5 you heal 3%. rank 4-2 is 4% and rank 1 is 5%
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-27 08:39
  People need to stop comparing Counter Punch with Counterattack and Lance Counter, they're completely different animals. They don't have the same uses, and all that they have in common is that you need an enemy attack to make any use of it (in which case you guys should be comparing Evasion and Counterattack). As far as I see it, I regularly use Counter Punch and it has no major flaws. Only real disadvantage is that it is not useful on enemies with Heavy Stander, but that's by design.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-28 05:26

  Quote from Slayerj;1263177:

  Tumble: Tumble no longer requires you to have knuckles on at rank 9+

  
  
  I'd rather it be moved out of Fighter tab and into Combat tab.
  
  Chain Mastery:
  -Slayerj: Now increases the time you have to use your next chain skill by 1 second at rank 9 and 2 seconds at rank 5 and up.
  --Rank 1 adds a third second.
  -Chain meter no longer cancels when switching weapons or using another skill. That kind of defeats the purpose of hybridization.
  
  Counter Punch:
  -Damage increased to 400%. For a fighter skill which has very powerful 1:1 aspects, it's very weak.
  -Critical damage increased to 50%. 20% means jack shit.
  -Now uses both player and enemy critical rate.
  
  Respite:
  -Load time removed.
  -Is changed to a buff, making it useable with other skills and thus making it useable in combat.
  -The user can move and attack while Respite is active.
  -Heals a percentage of the user's HP/SP rather than a set amount; starts at 1% at Novice and F and increases by 1% per rank up to 15% at rank 1.
  -Additionally heals Wounds; starts at 1% at rank 5 and increases by 1% per rank up to 5% at rank 1.
  -To compensate for the boost in recovery, the time it takes to channel Respite is increased from 5 seconds to 10 seconds, making it take longer to restore.
  -Respite will still immediately cancel if the user is attacked.
  -Respite Aftereffect is removed.
  -In addition to poison, Respite removes all other debuffs (petrification, freezing, grim reaper, merrow, mirage missile, etc.) and can be used while petrified, frozen, etc.
  -Cooldown now starts at 5 minutes at rank Novice and decreases to 2.5 minutes at rank 1.
  -Debuff removal increased by 5%, making it 100% at rank 1.
  -Slayjer: Getting hit while doing respite will cause you to take dmg without factoring in protection, magic protection, ignore mana shield, and half of your defense. So uh, don't use it in combat unless you're 100% sure you can.
  --Should be all your defense. Also including passive defense and hidden shield defense. New aftereffect lasts for 15 seconds.
  
  Skill ignoring Protection for Critical Rate feature removed. Given the influx of Will and Luck, it's extremely easy to reach the 30% cap at low levels.
• Tropa wrote on 2015-01-30 04:36
  New Shadow Mission Reward
  
  Alchemic Catalyst
  "A very strange crystal that has an unusual glimmer, it seems to have traces of unstable Erg in it."
  - Found as a secondary reward in all shadow missions
  
  
  New Synthesis Recipes
  
  Bronze Play Page - Rank C
  Faded Play page x3
  Either Tin, Zinc or Nickle Ore Fragment x1
  
  Silver Play Page - Rank 9
  Bronze Play Page x3
  Silver Ore Fragment x1
  
  Gold Play Page - Rank 6
  Silver Play Page x3
  Gold Ore Fragment x1
  
  Thick Thread Ball(x10) - Rank A
  Thin Thread ball x10
  Alchemic Catalyst x1
  
  Thin Thread Ball(x10) - Rank A
  Think Thread ball x10
  Alchemic Catalyst x1
  
  Randomized Gem - Rank 3
  Gem(Any) x1
  Alchemic Catalyst x1
  - Randomly converts a gem stone into another gem stone, the size will either slightly increase or decrease.
  
  Poison Herb(x10) - Rank 6
  Antidote Herb x10
  Alchemic Catalyst x1
  
  Antidote Herb(x10) - Rank 6
  Poison Herb x10
  Alchemic Catalyst x1
  
  Potato(x20) - Rank A
  Giant Potato x1
  Alchemic Catalyst x1
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-30 05:31

  Quote from Tropa;1263483:

  Gold Ingot(x20) - Rank A
  Golden Egg x1
  Alchemic Catalyst x1

  
  You can buy a Golden egg for 600 gold. This sounds really imbalanced.