New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

• Kapra wrote on 2015-03-06 02:32

  Quote from Darkboy132;1267063:

  Minus the alchemy and magic stuff, Enlightenment buffed defense wrong. Strength to Defense Stat ratio is horribly unbalanced to where it gives you most of your defense, even more than what Wind Guard offers, and Defense skill with Shield is completely broken to the point where Magic Shields are obsolete.
  
  Increasing defense bonuses are fine, but not if they go into ridiculous magnitudes.

  
  Aside from "Large Shields"bonus when using Defense, I don't really see the Defense skill's bonuses as being a problem. Actively using a skill rather than just wearing some armor is something I'd actually encourage too.
  
  Yea, I don't really approve of the Str/Will defensive updates but I have no right to complain about them.
  
  In particular, I like what they did with Armor and Shields with the Enlightenment update, and actually made you think more about what kind of shields you want to use. Although some of them make no sense, like Composite Shield being a light shield. I was hoping they were going to do that with other types of equipment though.
  
  The real horrible part about Enlightenment 's defensive changes was Mana Shield. Enlightenment/Druid both buffed magic a lot, as well as made Mana Shield not use defensive stats. As well as Alchemy damage being influenced my MP, and some Dual Gun skills using MP. That being said, Mana Shield became crap. In a game where you self hybridize, Mana Shield is a huge waste of your MP compared to all the other things you should be doing with it. It killed Mana Shield for me (while simultaneously making Magic more satisfying).
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-03-06 02:33

  Quote from Darkboy132;1267063:

  Minus the alchemy and magic stuff, Enlightenment buffed defense wrong. Strength to Defense Stat ratio is horribly unbalanced to where it gives you most of your defense, even more than what Wind Guard offers, and Defense skill with Shield is completely broken to the point where Magic Shields are obsolete.
  
  Increasing defense bonuses are fine, but not if they go into ridiculous magnitudes.

  
  
  Heavy Armor Mastery?
  - Improved viability of heavy armor.
  - Has a significant drawback, encouraging equipment diversity.
  
  Light Armor Mastery?
  - Improved viability of light armor
  - Possesses no drawbacks, which is questionable relative to clothing.
  
  Shield Mastery?
  - Hugely improved usefulness of shields
  - The damage reduction is a bit much. If anything, it shouldn't apply to magic-based damage.
  
  Defense (strength contribution)?
  - Needless power creep that made most enemies wholly non-threatening.
  - Exclusively contributes to power creep for end-game players.
  - Further punishes non-strength/non-melee characters otherwise.
  - So effective that it makes the relatively effective Mana Shield appear horribly ineffective by comparison.
  
  I agree with Kapra that it's a bit unfortunate that they don't distinguish between gauntlets/greaves and gloves/shoes/boots, though the best solution for that would be through additional set effects. It's seriously been a while since they released a good full equipment set effect.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-06 02:50

  Quote from Kapra;1267064:

  Aside from "Large Shields"bonus when using Defense, I don't really see the Defense skill's bonuses as being a problem.

  
  
  

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  50%/70%/100% damage reduction of all sources is fucking massive, especially when it's achievable at Rank Novice/F. Meanwhile, Magic Shields only block one attack type, doesn't block everything, and only gets 50% damage reduction at rank 1.
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;1267065:

  
  Shield Mastery?
  - The damage reduction is a bit much. If anything, it shouldn't apply to magic-based damage.

  
  
  I'd rather it just be removed entirely. 15 (Elf) / 20 (Human) / 30 (Giant) base Defense +65 (Human/Elf) / +80 (Giant) Activation Defense + 35 (Human/Elf) / + 45 (Giant) Activation Protection is still plenty to go around.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-06 03:46
  [QUOTE=Kapra;1267062]WordsQUOTE]
  
  Skimmed through it because ;to much text. BUT. I caught some of what you said. My ideas on defense was just to make tanking party instead of selfish tanking overall more respectable as a option because I do know people who love to tank, but can't because ''The best defense is a good offense'' What it could be used for ;
  
  +Raids
  +Heavy mob swarms
  
  For avoiding hits, you'd think Nexon would have taken some inspiration for Vindictus and fixed Evasion.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-06 04:05

  Quote from Kapra;1267062:

  Words

  Skimmed through that because ;to much text. BUT. I caught some of what you said. My ideas on tanking overall is to be more party friendly instead of selfish tanking. That isn't even useful because ''The best defense is a good offense..and stun pets''. I've known people who like tanking and quit because its almost worthless. Might aswell make it useful and balanced because every weapon deserves that much.
  
  A few things off the top of my head it could be used for ;
  
  +Raids/Bosses
  +Heavy mob swarms (who also need their formations fixed >:l )
  
  For avoiding hits, you'd think Nexon would have taken some inspiration from Vindictus and fixed Evasion.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-03-06 17:32
  I think trying to shoehorn tanking into a game that has either been "don't get hit" or "kill them before they kill you" from its inception has always been a bad idea. One thing to keep in mind that even HM and Elite mobs can still oneshot you if you let them. Obviously you shouldn't let that happen, but monster smashes/magnums/Water Cannons can still be threatening, it's just that we kill them so fast it doesn't matter.
  
  Imo, monster tankiness (greater HP, slight buffs to damage reduction) and threat level ( significantly greater damage output and damage diversity) is what needs to be tweaked. As for player defense, I think having heavy armor in the game was a mistake from the beginning - it was always either going to be too weak to be useful or too strong to not trivialize low and middle end content.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-07 02:56
  I think what holds Mabinogi back from becoming a epic game is some players themselves. Nexon wanted party tanking, but they couldn't make it practical enough. Huddling together for more defensive power was suppose to be the Shield Wall technique, but its so useless that almost no-one does it.
  In my opinion
  Letting Shields stay useless for party tanking is not only really strange(that being a normal function for most games), but it cuts off some of the player base who love tanking. And I've known people who quit Mabi for other games with better replay value because this is just a game of damage climbing now. There is nothing wrong with having good defensive options, Evasion would just be improved for soloist. Stun-pets should get nerfed.
  
  My idea of good combat is having the choice to pick up any weapon you want ..like Swords and Blunts (more than just disabling alchemy and magic), and give them universal traits with their own strengths. Shields are no exception.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-03-07 03:06

  Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1267155:

  I think what holds Mabinogi back from becoming a epic game is some players themselves. Nexon wanted party tanking, but they couldn't make it practical enough. Huddling together for more defensive power was suppose to be the Shield Wall technique, but its so useless that almost no-one does it.
  In my opinion
  Letting Shields stay useless for party tanking is not only really strange(that being a normal function for most games), but it cuts off some of the player base who love tanking. And I've known people who quit Mabi for other games with better replay value because this is just a game of damage climbing now. There is nothing wrong with having good defensive options, Evasion would just be improved for soloist. Stun-pets should get nerfed.
  
  My idea of good combat is having the choice to pick up any weapon you want ..like Swords and Blunts (more than just disabling alchemy and magic), and give them universal traits with their own strengths. Shields are no exception.

  
  
  Pretty much.
  
  The unfortunate truth is that DevCat doesn't know what they're doing and Nexon doesn't care because people are going to throw money at them regardless.
  
  Players, as a whole, will do what is most effective. They will claim the most powerful tactics as their own before recanting their position once usage shifts the meta-game towards stagnation. This is common among online games.
  
  What's uncommon is for pivotal MMO features to be completely abandoned; things like PVE minigames and PVP in its entirety. I mean, seriously, what the fuck?
• Zeo wrote on 2015-03-07 04:17

  Quote from Kaeporo;1267156:

  
  
  What's uncommon is for pivotal MMO features to be completely abandoned; things like PVE minigames and PVP in its entirety. I mean, seriously, what the fuck?

  
  
  While I do enjoy PvP, it shouldn't have an impact on Mabinogi in term of content-wise and reward-wise. PvP should only be there for players to play and have fun with, nothing else.
  
  If they really wanted to do PvP, they can add in the rules for two people to agree upon dueling, and the game will enable/disable them.
  
  As for EvG, the elves and giants already get along forest few generations now, so I'd just remove EvG, and I'd also remove Paladin vs Dark Knight, as that should stay in Rabbie Battle Arena.
  
  I would implement in free-for-all PvP where you can attack anyone who have it on if you turned it on, and I'd make it so if you got KO'd, you are given an option to disable the PvP if you don't want to continue the camping. If you want to continue, you can revive on spot like in EvG, but you are given a 3 seconds immunity frame so you can't get camped and can attack back if the person tried to camp you.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-03-07 04:36

  Quote from Zeo;1267158:

  While I do enjoy PvP, it shouldn't have an impact on Mabinogi in term of content-wise and reward-wise. PvP should only be there for players to play and have fun with, nothing else.
  
  If they really wanted to do PvP, they can add in the rules for two people to agree upon dueling, and the game will enable/disable them.
  
  As for EvG, the elves and giants already get along forest few generations now, so I'd just remove EvG, and I'd also remove Paladin vs Dark Knight, as that should stay in Rabbie Battle Arena.
  
  I would implement in free-for-all PvP where you can attack anyone who have it on if you turned it on, and I'd make it so if you got KO'd, you are given an option to disable the PvP if you don't want to continue the camping. If you want to continue, you can revive on spot like in EvG, but you are given a 3 seconds immunity frame so you can't get camped and can attack back if the person tried to camp you.

  
  
  Mabinogi's combat system is not well suited to player versus player combat. That being said, there are still ways to significantly improve upon it.
  
  

  Dueling:
  
  - Include option to add stakes
  You can already do this in pet battles, which just goes to show how badly they lack congruency.
  
  - Include option to toggle clauses.
  Essentially the ability to disable specific skills and actions (like drinking potions or transforming).
  
  - Fix the PVP ranking leaderboard
  It's been broken since its inception. An exclusive title could be awarded to the top 100 players.

  
  
  It would also be great if they would release some of those event PVE/PVP mini-games as actual, permanent content. The only other MMO I've played was Runescape and it just shits all over Mabinogi in this regard. If the combat system was even partially as interesting, I wouldn't have left.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-03-07 05:37

  Quote from Zeo;1267158:

  While I do enjoy PvP, it shouldn't have an impact on Mabinogi in term of content-wise and reward-wise. PvP should only be there for players to play and have fun with, nothing else.

  
  Actually PvP has always had a stake reward wise. Ever since the original PvP arena in Alby dungeon, the arena was based upon the idea of gambling. Players bought arena coins, and when entering the arena, exchanged the coins for stars. Killing people gets you stars and every so often when the arena resets, if anyone is still in the arena without stars, they must leave and purcahse more stars with coins to reenter. After you're done, you exchange your stars for coins (hopefully more than you started with) and sell the coins for a profit. This was a good idea because the power of the reward came from the people, albeit nowdays it would be imbalanced because of how strong players are nowdays.
  
  In addition, pet PvP allows for gambling as well, where you can exchange gold and even other items, with the winner getting the spoils put up as tribute by both sides.
  
  Regular PvP and aligned PvP (I really don't think aligned PvP should have been a thing, would've been better to make people go to Cor Arena for that) don't allow for stakes so the gambling aspect of other forms of PvP don't apply unfortunately.
  

  Quote from Zeo;1267158:

  If they really wanted to do PvP, they can add in the rules for two people to agree upon dueling, and the game will enable/disable them.

  
  This would be nice. In a game where you have to work on an honor system, something is obviously wrong with the client.
  
  I wouldn't change much for PvP, aside from adding stakes to 1 on 1 PvP matches, and perhaps adding toggleable rules to all forms of PvP other than aligned. Only change I'd make to aligned PvP is allow Elves and Giants to pick sides in Pally Vs DK, or given the option to switch sides in Elf Vs Giant. Or better yet, scrap both and just make Red Vs Blue with everyone being given the option to switch sides with the same cooldown on switching sides as the cooldown on turning aligned PvP off.
  
  I don't like the idea of predetermined rewards (titles, PvP points, rare items, etc) being obtainable through PvP, I believe that should be up to the players.
  
  Edit: Another idea would be to add a special form of regular and Pet PvP that involves three players, where only two players fight but the third one provides the reward that would go to the winner, albeit you could always just trade the winner after the match.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-07 07:45

  Quote from Kaeporo;1267156:

  Pretty much.
  
  The unfortunate truth is that DevCat doesn't know what they're doing and Nexon doesn't care because people are going to throw money at them regardless.
  
  Players, as a whole, will do what is most effective. They will claim the most powerful tactics as their own before recanting their position once usage shifts the meta-game towards stagnation. This is common among online games.
  
  What's uncommon is for pivotal MMO features to be completely abandoned; things like PVE minigames and PVP in its entirety. I mean, seriously, what the fuck?

  
  
  I like you, you seem smart
  
  

  Quote from Zeo;1267158:

  While I do enjoy PvP, it shouldn't have an impact on Mabinogi in term of content-wise and reward-wise. PvP should only be there for players to play and have fun with, nothing else.
  
  If they really wanted to do PvP, they can add in the rules for two people to agree upon dueling, and the game will enable/disable them.
  

  
  
  PvP died to meh after G16s2, Dynamic Combat. It would be nice if Nexon could make PvP more combo friendly again with stunlocks ,but add something to keep the player from stun locking someone to death. Maybe a 2 chain combo limit before the user is unable to follow up on someone
• Zeo wrote on 2015-03-07 08:18

  Quote from Kapra;1267163:

  Actually PvP has always had a stake reward wise. Ever since the original PvP arena in Alby dungeon, the arena was based upon the idea of gambling. Players bought arena coins, and when entering the arena, exchanged the coins for stars. Killing people gets you stars and every so often when the arena resets, if anyone is still in the arena without stars, they must leave and purcahse more stars with coins to reenter. After you're done, you exchange your stars for coins (hopefully more than you started with) and sell the coins for a profit. This was a good idea because the power of the reward came from the people, albeit nowdays it would be imbalanced because of how strong players are nowdays.

  
  
  The gold you get from selling the arena coins is too minimal to actually make any differences, even back in chapter 1 era, no one really used it as a way to make money, people went there more of enjoyment. I remember when people would gather there and socialize, and at time to time, there would be one player with arrow revolver that pretty much owned the whole arena then left.
• Caroo wrote on 2015-03-07 14:38
  In Hillwen mine next to the table, there's a blueprint of a handgun.
  
  I'd like to see that be made.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-03-08 01:41

  Quote from Caroo;1267179:

  In Hillwen mine next to the table, there's a blueprint of a handgun.
  
  I'd like to see that be made.

  
  Not to mention robotic arms.
  

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