New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

• Segris wrote on 2015-03-13 01:25
  i will be happy if they ever add spears to the game. Not lances that look way out of proportion and are OP, spears that have lance range but less piercing would be nice.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-13 02:00

  Quote from Tetosan;1267634:

  Talking about being completly immune to Stun, Knockback, Knock Down and Damage :D
  
  Also i really just mean Damage Reforges.
  
  And that is the reason i want Reforge immunity, it's pointless anyways and the whole thing wouldn't have been a thing if people didn't long for MORE Power ^^ Initially i think Nexon NA never wanted Reforges to be a thing, at least the better reforges.

  
  
  Stun-pets are a issue, everyone knows this.I would personally like if they never existed.BUT since some can't live without it (literally) I think Nexon should tie stun-pets in with the reward system.The more you spam pets,the more your rewards become garbage.If you spam still regardless, the user gets a title that cannot be removed by any means for 24 hours that nerfs all exp by 90% for that user. (one who needs stun-pets for survival)
  
  
  This affects all metas and encourage people not to rely so much on stun pets. But it still gives ever meta a option for breathing if massively swamped.
  
  
  My post above is a example of why people wont buy reforges, which means Nexon loose one, if not their best money sources..annnnd well,play a part in closing Mabi down. maybe instead of reforge immunity, Nexon just fix the level up system, random obtained buffs, nerf fine and credne reforges, add more reforge-types to get in-game (mysterious, nature,and master reforge for example)
• Kapra wrote on 2015-03-13 04:31
  I honestly don't see why people complain about Pet AoEs and Reforges. If anything should be overpowered, it should be those things. With the exception of the Battle Pegasus in NA only, all pets are cash only or event only. Meaning they get a profit for doing so. Keep in mind mabi is meant to be a Free to Play/Pay to Win game, if you want to be overpowered you should be allowed to pay to do so. Things shouldn't be balanced around that or you'd get shit like what MapleStory was, and now they're struggling trying to balance shit and not being that successful.
  
  If you don't want to be overpowered, then don't use things made with the sole intention of being overpowered (no clue if AoE pets were originally meant to be OP by design but Reforges were). If you don't want to be in mission with people that overpower themselves like that, then don't get into missions with people like that.
  
  
  
  To change the topic- I'm working on a post suggesting a rehaul of some existing content. Content being divided into Shadow Missions, Theatre Missions, Dungeons, Alban Dungeons, Alban Raids, and temporarilly ignoring things like Rafting, Fashion Contest, etc at the moment but not forgetting them. I like the changes we're coming up with but there's an issue of reward. I need your guys' opinions.
  
  If:
  

  
  
  • If Shadow Missions are the end all source of Exp, better source of Exp than Theatre Missions/Dungeons/Etc (if they're not already, make it that).
    
  • If Alban Dungeon is the end all source of Totems, being the only source of really good totems and gachapons/events not ruining that.
    
  • If Alban Raids is the end all source of Divine Experience, being one of the few sources and the best source of it.
    
  • If Theatre Missions adopts a custom combo card system, similar to the SAO Dungeon Event, as rewards and allows for permanency/extension, but Exp rewards are not increased to surpass Shadow Missions.
    
  • Then what should the most desperate one, the dungeon be IF we do not buff it's Exp, Divine Exp, or give it Totems or Combo Cards? I don't want to go with something as uncreative as just Gold, especially since that has market implications- but what would you guys like to see from dungeons (if dungeons were made fun and not boring) and their rewards had to not be those 4 things?
    

  
  
  Some things I've heard people throw out is:
  

  
  
  • Just add patterns/manuals/ingredients/crap as direct rewards, assuming they were made useful and didn't harm the natural flow of "equipment politics".
    
  • Just add the above but add them in a shop that you can only find inside a dungeon (like that goblin NPC that only shows up in adv dungeons sometimes), but more common, and requiring an item currency that's dropped from end chests and other dungeon sources depending on dungeon difficulty, type, and how well you did.
    
  • A limited amount of daily AP, though they kind of already do that.
    
  • Gold, but that can hurt the markets. Plus Saga 2 is already a reliable/spammable source of gold (not taking into account shadow crystals).
    
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-03-13 08:46

  Quote from Kapra;1267666:

  I honestly don't see why people complain about Pet AoEs and Reforges. If anything should be overpowered, it should be those things. With the exception of the Battle Pegasus in NA only, all pets are cash only or event only. Meaning they get a profit for doing so. Keep in mind mabi is meant to be a Free to Play/Pay to Win game, if you want to be overpowered you should be allowed to pay to do so. Things shouldn't be balanced around that or you'd get shit like what MapleStory was, and now they're struggling trying to balance shit and not being that successful.
  
  If you don't want to be overpowered, then don't use things made with the sole intention of being overpowered (no clue if AoE pets were originally meant to be OP by design but Reforges were). If you don't want to be in mission with people that overpower themselves like that, then don't get into missions with people like that.
  
  
  
  To change the topic- I'm working on a post suggesting a rehaul of some existing content. Content being divided into Shadow Missions, Theatre Missions, Dungeons, Alban Dungeons, Alban Raids, and temporarilly ignoring things like Rafting, Fashion Contest, etc at the moment but not forgetting them. I like the changes we're coming up with but there's an issue of reward. I need your guys' opinions.
  
  If:
  

  
  
  • If Shadow Missions are the end all source of Exp, better source of Exp than Theatre Missions/Dungeons/Etc (if they're not already, make it that).
    
  • If Alban Dungeon is the end all source of Totems, being the only source of really good totems and gachapons/events not ruining that.
    
  • If Alban Raids is the end all source of Divine Experience, being one of the few sources and the best source of it.
    
  • If Theatre Missions adopts a custom combo card system, similar to the SAO Dungeon Event, as rewards and allows for permanency/extension, but Exp rewards are not increased to surpass Shadow Missions.
    
  • Then what should the most desperate one, the dungeon be IF we do not buff it's Exp, Divine Exp, or give it Totems or Combo Cards? I don't want to go with something as uncreative as just Gold, especially since that has market implications- but what would you guys like to see from dungeons (if dungeons were made fun and not boring) and their rewards had to not be those 4 things?
    

  
  
  Some things I've heard people throw out is:
  

  
  
  • Just add patterns/manuals/ingredients/crap as direct rewards, assuming they were made useful and didn't harm the natural flow of "equipment politics".
    
  • Just add the above but add them in a shop that you can only find inside a dungeon (like that goblin NPC that only shows up in adv dungeons sometimes), but more common, and requiring an item currency that's dropped from end chests and other dungeon sources depending on dungeon difficulty, type, and how well you did.
    
  • A limited amount of daily AP, though they kind of already do that.
    
  • Gold, but that can hurt the markets. Plus Saga 2 is already a reliable/spammable source of gold (not taking into account shadow crystals).
    

  
  
  Reforges act as a meaningful extension of character development; I agree that they should have valuable effects. Those effects, however, should not be universally useful if their magnitude is also significant. That's straight power creep. The costs involved (time, not money) are due to line restrictions on equipment and RNG to some extent. Those ensure that you can't always "have it your way".
  
  AOE pet summons have virtually zero cost involved and heavily disrupt play. People basically don't even know how to play anymore since skill is practically irrelevant since mistake punishment is easily preventable.
  
  Regardless,
  
  One of the big issues with Mabinogi is that content is barely fleshed out these days. They develop a new system and immediately abandon it and move on to a new project. Secret missions turned into theater missions turned into lord missions turned into dragon raids turned into abyss dungeons turned into a raid turned into divine training.
  
  It's pretty ridiculous. Either way, I wouldn't forget about stuff like purification and renes when handing out rewards.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-13 09:57

  Quote from Kaeporo;1267682:

  Reforges act as a meaningful extension of character development; I agree that they should have valuable effects. Those effects,however, should not be universally useful if their magnitude is also significant. That's straight power creep. The costs involved (time, not money) are due to line restrictions on equipment and RNG to some extent. Those ensure that you can't always "have it your way".
  
  AOE pet summons have virtually zero cost involved and heavily disrupt play. People basically don't even know how to play anymore since skill is practically irrelevant since mistake punishment is easily preventable.
  
  Regardless,
  
  One of the big issues with Mabinogi is that content is barely fleshed out these days. They develop a new system and immediately abandon it and move on to a new project. Secret missions turned into theater missions turned into lord missions turned into dragon raids turned into abyss dungeons turned into a raid turned into divine training.
  
  It's pretty ridiculous. Either way, I wouldn't forget about stuff like purification and renes when handing out rewards.

  
  
  
  Pretty much this.And some people wonder why Mabinogi isn't on the map.. *sigh*
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-13 18:21

  Quote from Kapra;1267666:

  I honestly don't see why people complain about Pet AoEs and Reforges. If anything should be overpowered, it should be those things. With the exception of the Battle Pegasus in NA only, all pets are cash only or event only. Meaning they get a profit for doing so. Keep in mind mabi is meant to be a Free to Play/Pay to Win game, if you want to be overpowered you should be allowed to pay to do so. Things shouldn't be balanced around that or you'd get shit like what MapleStory was, and now they're struggling trying to balance shit and not being that successful.

  
  
  I'd rather they completely revamp pets, because they're far behind from player characters. Their stat growth is pretty dumb, since they get less power if you don't level them when they're older, and it even stops eventually. Partial experience and their summon times are pretty dumb too.
  
  Area of effect pets, on the other hand, basically just removes any form of punishment (other than Advanced Heavy Stander mobs) and can effortlessly stunlock enemies to oblivion.
  
  
  Meteor Strike now ignores invulnerability frames. Some idiot fucking Ice Speared when I tried to Meteor, making it a complete waste. If some idiot Smashed or Puppet or the boss decided to use Life Drain, I would also be very pissed.
  
  

  [Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/9/91/Angry_Food_Table_Flipping.png]

  
  Table flipping skill.
• Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-03-13 21:22
  I would love to see another uncapping of homestead levels. Here are some of the ideas for more stuff at more advanced homestead levels:
  

  
  
  • Much larger (but not too large as in having the whole wilderness around to have the ability to build on it) constructible area in the homestead for more room for the homestead tools to install.
    
  • Windmill (tool). Have the ability to construct your own windmill but it is very costy and probably will have a few steps until actually getting the windmill and you cannot use it if it a step too early of construction.
    
  • As with windmill been installed, seeds for wheat, barley and corn so you could grow them in the homestead. Also adding a second type of farm that will only allow wheat. barley and corn and after it's done growing the wheat, barley or corn, it will permanently stays like that and can be re-gathered again after 12am much like herbs and livestock.
    
  • Since a huge area is available, a second tent (which turns into an house which turns into a mansion) is available to build and it will also add and stack with the current tent or house or mansion available so even more people can visit it.
    
  • Having the ability to install much more advanced herbs which couldn't be installed earlier, more specifically Mandrake, Poison and Antidote. (White herb will stay peaca's/polar hornet's exclusive herb)
    

  
  That is pretty much what I can think of... I do appreciate your opinions so feel free to comment. :glasses:
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-13 21:47

  Quote from Daniel1235;1267739:

  Windmill (tool). Have the ability to construct your own windmill but it is very costy and probably will have a few steps until actually getting the windmill and you cannot use it if it a step too early of construction.

  
  
  Don't forget a river stream... even though it doesn't seem logical lol.
• Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-03-14 09:42

  Quote from Darkboy132;1267744:

  Don't forget a river stream... even though it doesn't seem logical lol.

  
  
  Well... When homestead gets as big Outlaws or better yet will cover the whole area around up until the hills, the small lake can be upgraded to a stream and then a big lake but that is much later feature.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-03-14 09:55

  Quote from Daniel1235;1267807:

  Well... When homestead gets as big Outlaws or better yet will cover the whole area around up until the hills, the small lake can be upgraded to a stream and then a big lake but that is much later feature.

  
  Honestly, my homestead is level 15 and it is huge. A stream wouldn't be unthinkable.
  
  I would want DevCAT to just do this.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-03-14 14:24
  Synthesis:
  You can now use steam ovens to transmute items into Gold.
  Item Value (rF): 100%
  Item Value (rA): 125%
  Item Value (r5): 175%
  Item Value (r1): 235%
  
  Ideas to improve the worst combat skills in Mabinogi.
  
  Respite:
  [SPOILER=" "]Health/Stamina recovery increased to 50 per second at Rank 1.
  Respite aftereffect grants Poison Immunity status.
  
  Changes to poison:
  - Can render player's unconscious.
  - Duration raised to 5 minutes.
  - Players receive damage equal to (Current HP * 0.13) + 50
  - Monsters receive damage equal to (Current HP * 0.01) + 1[/SPOILER]
  
  Encore:
  [SPOILER=" "]In addition to resetting all music cooldowns, the next music buff skill's effects activate instantly.
  
  "the Encore Master" now grants the following:
  /Encore Cooldown -30 seconds
  /Music Buff Effect +8
  
  Changes to music buff skill cooldowns:
  - Battlefield Overture > 90 seconds
  - Lullaby > 45 seconds
  
  Changes to music buff skill activation period:
  - Battlefield Overture > 6.5 seconds
  - Harvest Song > 1 second[/SPOILER]
  
  Smokescreen:
  [SPOILER=" "]Starting at Rank 5, reduces the target's Natural Shield rank by 1 level.[/SPOILER]
  
  Berserk:
  [SPOILER=" "]Starting at Rank 5, automatically grants Weapon Attack Boost status for 5 seconds after receiving damage.
  Cooldown reduced to 60 seconds.
  [/SPOILER]
  
  Celestial Spike:
  [SPOILER=" "]Ignores apostle damage reduction.
  Every 25 levels allocated into Binding increases Celestial Spike's attack rate by 1/second.
  
  Weighed Conscience
  Movement speed reduction raised to -40% and -80%, respectively[/SPOILER]
  
  Mana Crystalization
  [SPOILER=" "]Mana Crystalization is changed to produce short-lived enchantments during combat. The skill can no longer be used to cast magic spells.
  
  Mana Usage: 10% of player's maximum mana (per second)
  Enchantment Duration [sec]: 180
  Cooldown [sec]: 20
  
  Weapon crystallization:
  Increases base damage by 20% of the amount of mana consumed.
  
  Armor crystallization
  Grants a temporary health barrier equal to 115% of the amount of mana consumed.[/SPOILER]
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-14 21:15

  Quote from Kaeporo;1267820:

  Smokescreen:
  Starting at Rank 5, reduces the target's Natural Shield rank by 1 level.

  
  
  So... give everyone the power to damage range-immune mobs...?
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-03-14 22:46

  Quote from Darkboy132;1267871:

  So... give everyone the power to damage range-immune mobs...?

  
  
  Yes.
  
  If the mob happens to have Lv3 (immunity), it'll get knocked down to Lv2 Natural Shield. You'll be able to damage range-immune mobs but they'll still reduce incoming damage by 70% and stun duration will be reduced by 90%.
  
  To that end, I would also change dual gun attacks so that they have to bypass both mana deflector and natural shield.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-15 09:03
  Rock throw should have its throw recovery decreased and stun increased. And let Giants learn it [S]again[/S].
  
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• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-03-15 12:34
  Skill ideas:
  
  Pound
  - Chargeable melee attack that deals bonus damage against downed targets.
  - Requires a blunt weapon.
  
  Torque Shot
  - Archery skill that starts at 100% accuracy and works its way down.
  - Damage increases drastically at low accuracy.
  
  Alchemy Blade
  - Materialized tech blade that forms around cylinder.
  - Enemies defeated with the skill drop more gold.
  
  Guardian Stone
  - Summon Falias Floating Stone to heal nearby players.
  - If the stone is destroyed, nearby players have a chance to be revived.
  
  Chain: Suplex
  - Chain 3 skill that deals heavy damage to a single target.
  
  Act 3: Enticing Exposition
  - The player and marionette switch places, dealing damage on both ends.
  
  Last Breath
  - The player marks a target.
  - After 10 seconds, the player has a 1 second window to execute the target at close range if it hasn't noticed the player.
  - Doesn't work on boss enemies or enemies with the no_one_die tag. Targets instead receive 900% damage.