New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

• Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-03-27 14:44

  Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1269146:

  What I seen was your fixed idea. 150% speed and 200% damage. Seems like it'd be the same or better because of the increased speed. If its the same speed as day 1 revamped final hit, better for sure o__o *cough royal swords,beam swords, and pilgrim sword are fast dagger speed cough*

  
  
  Actually, thing is, only when you wear the title I've made up makes your final hit to be as it should be right after renovation. Agree with me that final hot cannot stay as it is right now (before the melee renovation) so, I made my own version of change: 150% hit speed instead of the renovated 200% and 200% damage during final hit mode instead of the renovated 400%. Again, only wearing my title causes it to be like the renovated version so if you want, just use other titles and final hit will be 150% speed and 200% damage.
• Zekkii wrote on 2015-03-27 16:54
  The people who actually die in these dungeons don't need to have all their rewards taken away, what does that add?
• Caroo wrote on 2015-03-27 19:10
  I want them to renovate some models such as the lute, or some of the clothing. I would like to have more clothing options with the older clothes.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-27 22:43

  Quote from Daniel1235;1269160:

  Actually, thing is, only when you wear the title I've made up makes your final hit to be as it should be right after renovation. Agree with me that final hot cannot stay as it is right now (before the melee renovation) so, I made my own version of change: 150% hit speed instead of the renovated 200% and 200% damage during final hit mode instead of the renovated 400%. Again, only wearing my title causes it to be like the renovated version so if you want, just use other titles and final hit will be 150% speed and 200% damage.

  Well in that case, tone it down to 150% or 175%, 180% max and see how that plays out before adding it in
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1269158:

  First of all, don't use area of effect pets as an argument, that shit is terribly overpowered. Secondly if the rewards are terrible why do people spam NPC, Conflict, and dailies?
  
  I'm not seeing why survival skills would need a buff in their current stance. Defense stat from Strength and Defense Skill with Shield are terribly overpowered.

  
  
  Don't make meh laugh,stop it. you're too funny.
  
  First of all, Why not use stun-pet as an argument if it effects game play so much? Its a pointless effect if you don't remove a core issue. You're basically trying to create challenge without taking out a element that removes it. So it's not gonna work out well brah.
  
  Second, HIGH-leveled people with their own special groups spam MA, and conflict. beginners or mid can't .So unless you have some strong friends,you're sticking with mediocre to decent rewards. Plus if you have a decent party, barely anyone dies in MA because stun-pets will save you, and Puppeteer will man-handle it, Rain cast will ignore aggro,lullaby stop things and Hydra just sits there. What about abyss though?their rewards are bad 95% of the time.Lord missions? mainly for giving useless demonic pieces to weapons no-one makes because saga 1.Not to mention you can only do it three times a RL day.and Raids aren't even a option unless you have a lot of people (maybe one or two massively reforged players).
  
  Speaking of raids,Even Vindictus got this part right to a point and their answer for mobs that can't be knocked back is dodging or tanking soo..why is our future character's best defensive course of action just running out of range,taking massive damage and pot chugging,or just dying?
  
  For survival skills, Evasion only working on ranged attacks and bolts is pretty disappointing. There's a lot of potential with Evasion Nexon could improve on. Dodging boss attacks is one feature Evasion miss horridly,it could also open a gate of possibilities for boss mobs and good attack patterns without out..I don't know,cheaply killing the character? *cough duke cough*Tanking characters can have their own moments by protecting themselves and other players.Why some players wouldn't want two good defensive options based on skill, I don't know.
  
  Unless you're a giant, tanking bosses suck.It's gameplay also serves little propose, and that's what I'm talking about now. And real tanks defend everyone , not just themselves. It'd be cool if tankers focused players got contributing points by tanking and save others.Strength to defense needs a nerf though.probably 10 > 20 or 25.
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  Your cursor line can actually go through letters now in Mabi, Nexon really should add that >.<
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-27 23:16

  Quote from Zekkii;1269190:

  The people who actually die in these dungeons don't need to have all their rewards taken away, what does that add?

  
  
  I didn't say dungeons except abyss. I purposely excluded dungeons because they don't even offer much.
  
  

  Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1269220:

  Don't make meh laugh,stop it. you're too funny.
  
  First of all, Why not use stun-pet as an argument if it effects game play so much? Its a pointless effect if you don't remove a core issue. You're basically trying to create challenge without taking out a element that removes it. So it's not gonna work out well brah.
  
  Second, HIGH-leveled people with their own special groups spam MA, and conflict. beginners or mid can't .So unless you have some strong friends,you're sticking with mediocre to decent rewards. Plus if you have a decent party, barely anyone dies in MA because stun-pets will save you, and Puppeteer will man-handle it, Rain cast will ignore aggro,lullaby stop things and Hydra just sits there. What about abyss though?their rewards are bad 95% of the time.Lord missions? mainly for giving useless demonic pieces to weapons no-one makes because saga 1.Not to mention you can only do it three times a RL day.and Raids aren't even a option unless you have a lot of people (maybe one or two massively reforged players).
  
  Speaking of raids,Even Vindictus got this part right to a point and their answer for mobs that can't be knocked back is dodging or tanking soo..why is our future character's best defensive course of action just running out of range,taking massive damage and pot chugging,or just dying?
  
  Unless you're a giant, tanking bosses suck.It's gameplay also serves little propose, and that's what I'm talking about now. And real tanks defend everyone , not just themselves. It'd be cool if tankers focused players got contributing points by tanking and save others.Strength to defense needs a nerf though.probably 10 > 20 or 25.

  
  
  If anything those overpowered concepts just needs to be nerfed. Even if they exist, I feel that they shouldn't be used as an argument since we all know and agree they need to be toned down.
  
  That's why I said basic and int missions aren't affected. Newbies shouldn't even be doing adv or higher until they're strong enough. I do agree that the game needs to be more challenging. Are abyss and lord rewards really that shit, even though people still run them?
  
  The only survival skills I would have buffed are Wind Guard being allowed to walk, Taunt massively buffed and learnable by everyone, Magic Shields compatible with Spellwalk (since Belisha and Yui doesn't cause stationary), and of course uncaps.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-28 01:40

  Quote from Darkboy132;1269222:

  I didn't say dungeons except abyss. I purposely excluded dungeons because they don't even offer much.

  
  The purpose of revamps are to make things more interesting and useful doh
  
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1269222:

  If anything those overpowered concepts just needs to be nerfed. Even if they exist, I feel that they shouldn't be used as an argument since we all know and agree they need to be toned down.

  
  Well that's good you agree with me on that, but that one nerf doesn't fix the game entirely.I feel Mabi's structure should be nerfed,rebalanced, and rebuilt back on why we all love Mabi.
  
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1269222:

  That's why I said basic and int missions aren't affected. Newbies shouldn't even be doing adv or higher until they're strong enough. I do agree that the game need
  to be more challenging. Are abyss and lord rewards really that shit, even though people still run them?

  
  
  Hardmode max is 1k, and Nexon consider people 1~1k beginner (since their beginner package last that long)
  
  I don't know about you alexinens, but the people I know only run lords for the dailies , and Peaca abyss once for the title.Probably once or twice for kicks. But seeing Abyss peaca is like looking at everything I've seen already. It's filled with recycled monsters,and a cheap boss with bad rewards.It's not anything I'd be personally excited to run after I got the title. Can you honestly say that Abyss is worth spaming with it's reward list?
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1269222:

  The only survival skills I would have buffed are Wind Guard being allowed to walk, Taunt massively buffed and learnable by everyone, Magic Shields compatible with Spellwalk (since Belisha and Yui doesn't cause stationary), and of course uncaps.

  
  
  That's ..not really a quality revamp.at all :(
  
  but still..basically what I said and not to sound cocky,but kinda worse in a sense.Heres why;
  
  Even though Wind Guard is a tanking skill, it's cool down is far to long to be dependable. And the loading charge may allows the user to stand up, it doesn't reduce damage.Tankers need Three skills,all standered.(And keep in mind, just because new skill are added, doesn't mean you have to hotkey them all. Just do keys that fits your play style)
  
  
  1.Counter strike:Shield bash (Useful for setting up follow up skills, and debuffing having a somewhat chance to daze,which is rebalanced too.Can be used after a successful block)Example
  Defense > Counter strike > Devastating Strike (Stuns target, mace only reset )Normal attack > Smash
  Basic Chain with two simple weapons in your first slot. Mace and Shield
  
  2.Guard:Advanced Defense that blocks multi attacks. Best used against Magic and ranged users when charge is down.If the user's guard bar is drained, Guard is broke and open to attack.Can be fairly easy to break with melee, which is why the user has to react quick. Still reliable enough to take on multi mobs while retaining a good level of offensive attack, unlike Impenetrable.
  
  3. Impenetrable (Think of Brume's Unbreakable from LoL Also act as a Shield wall when stationary, so it becomes stronger defensive wise and slightly with more people) This Shield technique is purely defensive and harder to break than Guard
  
  4.Charge Versatility change: Shield charge can now block magic and range. Actually stuns users and players.All races can use,but non-shield version will be greatly nerfed defensive wise *giants being the best of course in that*
  
  -Shieldless charge reforge is now damage reduction reforge.
  -New Shield Stat : Recovery. This improves defensive skills so you can effectively react quicker from a normal or smash attack
• Kapra wrote on 2015-03-29 00:36

  Quote from Darkboy132;1269129:

  Getting knocked unconscious now decreases mission rewards:
  

  
  
  • Basic/Int: Not affected.
    
  • Adv: Every 1 KO = 5% rewards lost, maximum of 25%.
    
  • Hard: 1 KO = 10% rewards lost, maximum of 50%.
    
  • Elite: Hard + 7 KOs = Auto fail.
    
  • Lord/Abyss/NPC: Hard + 5 KOs = Auto fail.
    

  
  My problem with this is, well,
  

  
  
  • A: This applies to missions and not dungeons. If anything it should be the other way around. Dungeons allow for infinite self revival but missions requires you to ask others for help or seek assistance from out of instance players.
    
  • B: The main group of people this hurts is the exact target demographic you DON'T want to make things even harder on. If people are struggling in adv and hard missions, you don't want to punish them even more for it. You should reward them for leaving their comfort zone and doing something not easily manageable.
    
  • I feel like this shouldn't apply to Adv and Hard missions. Elite could have a penalty but make it way more lenient than that. Abyss/Lord's penalty sounds understandable, but 5 KOs is way too low of a number. Make it like 10 or 15. If people are able to coordinate doing a difficult mission with only 5 KOs, then they should be rewarded for their teamwork not penalized for their deaths. And I don't feel like Tourny is in the same ballpark as the other two.
    
• Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-03-29 11:06
  (For the previous thread, press here...)
  
  Hey again... Sorry that I had to make a new thread to continue my total master title renovation...
  :whoops:
  
  Anywaaaaaaaaay moving on...
  
  [SPOILER="Music"]

  
  
  • Master of Composing (when available) ('cause of lack of imagination I'm just go with...) will have note effects, which will come out of you like when you play inspiring performance using a bard skill.
    
  • Master of Musical Knowledge increases the rate of inspiring performance (though the general percentage is remained untouched).
    
  • the Master Instrumentalist now adds +5% to music buff effect and another +5% if wearing an instrument.
    
  • the Song Master now adds +5% music buff effect instead of +3%.
    
  • Due to changes in the previous two titles, the maestro title has been removed completely.
    
  • Master of Dischord now adds +5 seconds to duration effect.
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  [SPOILER="Puppetry"]

  
  
  • Master of Control Marionette now adds +10% to act damage instead of +10 marionette max damage and a decrease of up to -20% in puppetry cooldowns.
    
  • Master of Wire Pull increases damage x2 and range +200.
    
  • Master of Puppet's Snare increases: damage for 3 seconds to 900, detachment damage x5, bind damage x4 and bind duration by 4 seconds. (it's weak as hell... :\)
    
  • Master of Rising Action increases: damage up to 500% and range by 250.
    
  • Master of Crisis increases range by +75 instead of +50 and damage x1.25.
    
  • Master of Invigorating Encore now makes puppet as strong as under control marionette (therefor, using control while under act 9 effect doubles puppet strength and defenses).
    
  • Rest of the master titles stay the same.
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  [SPOILER="Dual Gun"]

  
  
  • All master titles stay the same except: adding +5% to the titles that add DAMAGE (leaving duration alone).
    

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  [SPOILER="Ninja"]

  
  
  • All master titles stay the same except adding +5% ro DAMAGE titles (leaving duration alone).
    

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  [SPOILER="Adventure"]

  
  
  • Master of Rest (when uncapped and available) doubles rest effects.
    
  • Master of Campfire (when uncapped and available) triples rest effects, adding 15% success rate to enchant burning, +10% food quality for cooking over campfire and doubles campfire duration.
    
  • Master of Fishing increases auto-fishing success rate by 20% and fish size by +50 cm.
    
  • All other master titles stay the same.
    

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  [SPOILER="Mercantile"]

  
  
  • Master of Commerce doubles the ducat rewards received and adds +40% commerce speed.
    
  • Master of Gold Strike adds x1.5 more damage.
    

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  [SPOILER="Cooking"]

  
  
  • Master of Production adds +25% to production and gathering success rates.
    
  • Master of Cooking (when uncapped and available) doubles cooked dishes and catering's effects.
    
  • Master of Wine Making stays the same (mainly 'cause anything else would be unfair).
    
  • ALL gathering related passive skill's master titles make the respective gathering to have added success in gathering up to 95% (exceptions: Shyllien Ecology, Rare Mineralogy, all skills that are 100% unless moved) and gathering time reduced by half (no exceptions here).
    
  • Master of Testing, Master of Ingredient Hunting and Master of Catering stay the same.
    

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  [SPOILER="Medicine"]

  
  
  • Master of Potion allows to make 1 rank higher tier potion and making potions x2 more potent (making 50 mana potion will instead make 100 mana potion).
    

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  [SPOILER="Carpentry"]

  
  
  • Master of Carpentry reduces bow production time by 90% and success rate of production is increased by 20%.
    
  • Master of Handicraft increases success rate by 20%.
    

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  [SPOILER="Tailoring"]

  
  
  • Master of Weaving has higher success rate making fine and finest silk/fabric.
    
  • Master of Tailoring increases success rate of making items by 15% and allows to craft X-grade items.
    

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  [SPOILER="Blacksmithing"]

  
  
  • Master of Metallurgy (extra notes) allows one more ore fragment to drop along with the current one and has higher chance to get gems and gems found are bigger then usual.
    
  • Master of Refining increases success rate by 15%.
    
  • Master of Blacksmithing increases success rate of making items by 15% and allows to craft x-grade items.
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  [SPOILER="Small Things I Forgot to Mention..."]

  
  
  • Master of Range will give the same stats as the sniper title and the snipe title removed.
    
  • Master of Mana Recovery will instantly recover 90% of mana.
    
  • Master of Lightning Rod increases damage by 5%.
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  [SPOILER="Notes"]

  
  
  • all the effects above will apply ONLY when wearing it's respective master title.
    
  • A tweak: You can change title after 12 minutes instead of 36 minutes.
    
  • All stats that previously were added by the titles will now passively and permanently add 1/3 of the original stats, rounded up (exception: Luck which will be added without changes). these stats also affect cp as the usual stats received from skill rank-ups.
    
  • Another Tweak: Instead of having the transformation's name as a title, you'll save your previous title and can change even while transed. The trans name has been moved to be seen by pressing alt (much like when a player using transformation mastery and you see the name of monster been transformed to).
    
  • Enchant-wise, all master titles are activated as soon as mastered allowing enjoy all bonuses from enchants but not from the titles themselves.
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  Edits:...
  Final Edit: Done!!!!!!!!!!! PM me if I forgot anything and shoot your comments away.
  P.S.: PHEW! that is a long thread.
  :sigh:
  (Completed)
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-30 06:58
  Campfire:
  

  
  
  • Player Accommodation cap removed.
    
  • Load time removed.
    
  • Ranged and Magic can attack over/through the Campfire, on both the player's and monster's end. If anything it should be Barrier Spikes as a defensive measure, not some flaming pit.
    
  • Duration increased to 5 min at Rank Novice, 6 min at Ranks F-D, 7 min at ranks C-A, 8 min at Ranks 9-6, 9 min at ranks 5-2, and 10 min at rank 1.
    
  • Stamina and Rest Wound regeneration bonus now occurs from just being near the campfire at Rank 5.
    
  • Regeneration bonuses now stack with Chairs.
    
  • Starting at Rank 9, Campfire can be turned into a "Used Firewood" or "Used Campfire Kit", whatever was used to make it, by right-clicking on the fire. Duration will stop ticking until it is remade.
    
  • MabiLand/Doki Doki buff from Campfire (HP, MP, SP, Str, Dex, Int, Will, Luck, Damage, Crit, Def, Magic Def, Prot, Magic Prot, and Combat EXP) is now a permanent addition onto Campfire skill.
    
    
    
    • Does not occur at Rank Novice.
      
    • Every rank gives 10 HP, MP, and SP, maxing at 150 at Rank 1 (+50 from current bonuses)
      
    • Every rank gives 2 Str, Dex, Int, Will, Luck, and Min/Max Damage, maxing at 30 at Rank 1 (+10 Str, Dex, Int, Will, and Luck, +30 min damage, unchanged max damage from current bonuses)
      
    • Starting at Rank A, every rank gives +5% Combat EXP, maxing at 50% at Rank 1 (unchanged from current bonuses)
      
    • Starting at Rank A, every rank gives 1 Defense and Magic Defense, maxing at 10 at Rank 1 (+5 from current bonuses)
      
    • Starting at Rank 5, every rank gives 1% Critical, 1 Protection, and 1 Magic Protection, maxing at 5 at Rank 1 (unchanged from current bonuses)
      
    • Buff duration is 5 minutes at ranks F-B, and increases by 1 minute every rank after, maxing at 15 minutes (-15 min from current duration)
      
    • Waiting time lowered to 5 min at Ranks F-D, 4 min at ranks C-A, 3 min at Ranks 9-6, 2 min at ranks 5-2, and 1 min at rank 1.
      
    • Only one buff is given per campfire.
      
    
    

  
  
  Barrier Spikes / Summon Golem:
  

  
  
  • Starting at rank 9, Spikes and Golem can be reverted back into a "Used Barrier Spike Crystal" or a "Used Summon Golem Crystal", respectively, by right-clicking them. Duration will stop ticking until it is remade, but retains their Health. These crystals cannot be sold to Eabha.
    
• Kapra wrote on 2015-03-30 07:46

  Quote from Darkboy132;1269475:

  Campfire:
  

  
  
  • Accommodation cap removed.

  
  Accommodation cap?
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-30 08:00

  Quote from Kapra;1269478:

  Accommodation cap?

  
  
  Players Accommodated or w/e the Wiki says.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-31 04:53

  Quote from Darkboy132;1269475:

  Campfire:

  That reminds me, before players were strong enough to do whatever they wanted, hiding behind a campfire for defense was a decent option.Like for G1 and G3. Why does a campfire tank better than meh tank geared player,Nexon..
• Kapra wrote on 2015-03-31 05:51
  Because a campfire requires at least minimal strategy, but just grinding cash and grinding up the stats of equipment doesn't take any effort on the battlefield.
  
  I think the focus should be moved from tanking/taking damage to avoiding/redirecting damage, which is what campfires fulfilled in the past. In an ideal world, if you used evasion, the enemies attack would attack the player or monster behind where you were if there was any other targets in the range, or tumble would cause the enemy to attack another nearby target instead, or simply cause the enemy to lose balance. (If you put tumble in the same category as evasion.)
  
  If DevCAT is going to do something as radical as revolutionize tanking and readjust mobs to compensate, I'd rather they instead spend their efforts on updating monster attacks, and adjusting existing skills, and adding new skills, specifically aimed at dodging those attacks and taking things like timing or strategy to pull off, like what they're trying to do with the Apostles but not just applying to one specific monster.
  
  Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against armor/shields, but I think they should take a page from weapons. Where armor/shields don't just add passive abilities, but instead allow you to use active abilities that you couldn't use if you didn't have that equipment. I believe passive abilities shouldn't be used to justify the use of an entire type of equipment, instead to tier up equipment (so an NPC bought armor isn't as effective as an armor only obtainable through blacksmithing).
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-31 08:07
  IMO, Campfire shouldn't be an obstacle to ranged and magic anymore. That should be Barrier Spikes' job, not some flaming pit.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-31 08:25

  Quote from Kapra;1269569:

  Because a campfire requires at least minimal strategy, but just grinding cash and grinding up the stats of equipment doesn't take any effort on the battlefield.

  
  In no self respecting game ever. Should a campfire be your best lines of defense. Specially when you have shields, and real life defensive skills to take inspiration from.That's just embarrassing x__x
  
  

  Quote from Kapra;1269569:

  I think the focus should be moved from tanking/taking damage to avoiding/redirecting damage, which is what campfires fulfilled in the past. In an ideal world, if you used evasion, the enemies attack would attack the player or monster behind where you were if there was any other targets in the range, or tumble would cause the enemy to attack another nearby target instead, or simply cause the enemy to lose balance. (If you put tumble in the same category as evasion.)

  
  There's nothing wrong with having tanking or Evasion as defensive options. If you're character focuses on one, it should hurt the other of course to keep balance. (Because being tanky and nimble for dodging is wrong for game balance)
  
  Magic reflection could render magic useless. It's a funny though, but I think it should be a absorbing skill instead (Mana Decomposing). The more you absorb (at a limit per rank/ wand element type) the following magic elemental will increase the users damage for that one attack.If your metter overfills, the damage stored will backfire on the user.
  
  Go back a page,I think I said more on Evasion ideas.
  
  

  Quote from Kapra;1269569:

  If DevCAT is going to do something as radical as revolutionize tanking and readjust mobs to compensate, I'd rather they instead spend their efforts on updating monster attacks, and adjusting existing skills, and adding new skills, specifically aimed at dodging those attacks and taking things like timing or strategy to pull off, like what they're trying to do with the Apostles but not just applying to one specific monster.

  Go back a page or two, I literally said this
  
  

  Quote from Kapra;1269569:

  Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against armor/shields, but I think they should take a page from weapons. Where armor/shields don't just add passive abilities, but instead allow you to use active abilities that you couldn't use if you didn't have that equipment. I believe passive abilities shouldn't be used to justify the use of an entire type of equipment, instead to tier up equipment (so an NPC bought armor isn't as effective as an armor only obtainable through blacksmithing).

  
  
  I don't know how many skills you could give armor only, but I It wouldn't be a lot. At most, probably just A nerfed Asorb Shock from Vindictus, when using Heavy or Plate Armor. Or be a Giant for even more nerfed version.