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DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-26 21:10
Quote from Daniel1235;1269036:
Total renovation of master titles (I've made this one up from several ideas that ran both here and in nexon official forums):
Close Combat
- Master of Combat now adds elemental-like damage bonus that cannot be nullified by all those elemental immunity monsters but it is quite low ([S]15%[/S]~10% bonus)(only applies to melee and ranged, much like elemental)and adds same defense and protection as the current Master of Shields (master of shields will be renovated too).
- Master of Defense adds [S]1000[/S] [S]500[/S] 200 defense and magic defense (protection and magic protection does not get add-up except from masteries, stats and etc.)
- Master of Counterattack [S]multiplies by 1.5 more to damage from enemy[/S] reduces damage from enemy to 150% and [S]x3 from self[/S] add damage from self up until 300% and if counter is activated successfully, it grands invulnerability from the remaining of the animation.
- Master of Smash multiplies damage by [S]2[/S] 25% and if effect has been applied; damage from bleed, duration of silence and amount of defense and protection reduced are all multiplied by [S]2[/S] 50%.
- Master of Windmill adds damage up until 350% and adds +200 to radius(+50 if equipped with knuckles) and +50% (makes it 200%) to range.
- Master of Assault Slash - stays the same.
- Master of Charge increases damage done by charge (and splash) by +50%.
- Master of Evasion (when it's uncapped) increases minimum evasion rate to 100%, making all evades successful.
- Master of Final Hit - makes it as powerful as it is after renovation (also change final hit to be 150% faster and 200% more damage).
[Image: http://oi60.tinypic.com/5vqfie.jpg]

I don't even-
*Just walks away*
Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-03-26 21:17

Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1269087:
[Image: http://oi60.tinypic.com/5vqfie.jpg]

I don't even-
*Just walks away*

Oh... So you prefer the un-nerfed one we'll get at the renovation?

Edit: I really should change that...
DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-27 00:06

Quote from Daniel1235;1269090:
Oh... So you prefer the un-nerfed one we'll get at the renovation?

Edit: I really should change that...

How I read it, unless I'm mistaken.. 400% + 200% = 600% x 2 = 1200% every two slashes ,and a speed boost?! I know some players love damage more than anything, but come on x__x

I'm not trying to be mean..but no.Just..... No. x.x

If you meant 200% by itself and a speed boost,It probably would be either equal to 400% FH or better.The first revamped Final Hit attacked like a gatling gun so o___o

[video=youtube;-nvMlu2N80U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nvMlu2N80U[/video]
Kapra wrote on 2015-03-27 00:21

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but if a random melee master title gives 10 dex, it'd be nice if the master title was altered to cater to that skill, but I don't want that 10 dex to be removed from the title. When discussing master title stat rebalances, I don't think you should remove any stat variable, just add and try to not make it overpowered or leave it alone.
Zeo wrote on 2015-03-27 01:06

Quote from Kapra;1269103:
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but if a random melee master title gives 10 dex, it'd be nice if the master title was altered to cater to that skill, but I don't want that 10 dex to be removed from the title. When discussing master title stat rebalances, I don't think you should remove any stat variable, just add and try to not make it overpowered or leave it alone.

I actually like some stats variable from the titles as well... But the thing is... Most of the master title usually isn't worth it from all the grinding, because you'd expect the skill to get a bit boost or something.
DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-27 01:06

Quote from Kapra;1269103:
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but if a random melee master title gives 10 dex, it'd be nice if the master title was altered to cater to that skill, but I don't want that 10 dex to be removed from the title. When discussing master title stat rebalances, I don't think you should remove any stat variable, just add and try to not make it overpowered or leave it alone.

The unpopular opinion in your post is leaving it alone. I know people who'd kill for Smash to boost percent damage because they love smashing.Otherwise that seems about right.
Kapra wrote on 2015-03-27 01:24

Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1269107:
The unpopular opinion in your post is leaving it alone. I know people who'd kill for Smash to boost percent damage because they love smashing.Otherwise that seems about right.

I don't mind smash's title getting updated to boost smash directly and not just stats, but not if it means removing the 20 Str/SP/Luck it currently has, if you must add those kind of new variables, do so without removing the current ones and not being overpowered with both of them existing on one title. Once things leave that test server Nexon better suck it up because there's no return. You can't just remove existing crap in favor of new crap. (Then again they kind of did that with Destinies and Talents.)
Zyrus wrote on 2015-03-27 02:07

IF I was to redo some titles it would be like this:

In General all battle Master titles give a 10-20% boost in damage to its skill.(Multiplier applied at end of all calculations). This make sense since it takes a lot to master skills.

Special Master titles granted to people who have mastered every skill in a skill tab. These give that same boost to every skill in the skill tab.

So here are some examples:

Smash Master title gets 15% boost to overall damage
Combat Grandmaster (what I would call combat tab completely mastered) Gives 15% to all battle skills in combat tab + 15% boost in def and protection.

Dan ranks give another boost of 1% for dan 1, 3% for dan 2 and 5% for dan 3 added into master title calculation.

Lifeskills would work slightly different. Crafted things get a big boost in quality (not the tiny one some of them currently get), and more from dan ranks. (crafting needs a revamp to make smithing tailoring and others relavant again but that's another topic).

Enchant gets a 15% boost in success rate with master title.

Music skills get a 5-10% additive boost. ex: If normal BOF gives 20% then with title its 25%.

This type of update would give us all reasons to strive for the master title. There should also be more secret shops, PTJs, and additional dungeons or content for players with the titles especially with the dan ranks.

Dan 1 2 3 gets special Arena Battles ( the higher the dan the harder the battle). Those battles give some sort of reward points (think like jousting) that can be exchanged for items or experience. This idea could be expanded on greatly.
Kapra wrote on 2015-03-27 05:34

Quote from Zyrus;1269111:

Special Master titles granted to people who have mastered every skill in a skill tab. These give that same boost to every skill in the skill tab.

No, this is a bad idea, even DevCAT admitted it. They were doing that for a time, there was the Sniper Title, the Maestro Title, the unreleased Fighter Title, but the concept is flawed because what if they add new skills? Would they force the new skills to be a requirement? (Which they did do by the way, when the new Archery Renovation skill came out.) Or would they just ignore that fact? (Like they did for the Diva/Aria/Starlet skills.)

Instead, DevCAT thought it would be better to just add a system where you gain experience for ranking certain skills and achieving higher levels of each skill type increases your efficiency at that skill type, the talent system. We don't need more Sniper/Dragon/Maestro-esque titles unless you want to get very specific like only Hailstorm-Meteor-Lightning Rod (there's a title for the trio of bolts and intermediate).

On a semirelated topic. I kind of want non-stat-bonuses that come from achieving certain levels of certain hidden talents. Instead of giving some Str, a new skill, or some aesthetic change, I want something like getting +3 Crafting Quality if you have Master Hawker (Merchant+Smithing+Tailoring+Carpentry). Not precisely with that talent and that number but more subrewards would be nice. Mabinogi has always been a game about giving incentive for spreading your butter evenly.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-27 07:09
Getting knocked unconscious now decreases mission rewards:
- Basic/Int: Not affected.
- Adv: Every 1 KO = 5% rewards lost, maximum of 25%.
- Hard: 1 KO = 10% rewards lost, maximum of 50%.
- Elite: Hard + 7 KOs = Auto fail.
- Lord/Abyss/NPC: Hard + 5 KOs = Auto fail.
DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-27 07:49
Quote from Kapra;1269108:
I don't mind smash's title getting updated to boost smash directly and not just stats, but not if it means removing the 20 Str/SP/Luck it currently has, if you must add those kind of new variables, do so without removing the current ones and not being overpowered with both of them existing on one title. Once things leave that test server Nexon better suck it up because there's no return. You can't just remove existing crap in favor of new crap. (Then again they kind of did that with Destinies and Talents.)

I know this, I'm pretty sure Nexon themselves isn't fully aware.
Quote from Darkboy132;1269129:
Getting knocked unconscious now decreases mission rewards:
- Basic/Int: Not affected.
- Adv: Every 1 KO = 5% rewards lost, maximum of 25%.
- Hard: 1 KO = 10% rewards lost, maximum of 50%.
- Elite: Hard + 7 KOs = Auto fail.
- Lord/Abyss: Hard + 5 KOs = Auto fail.
Here's a example of why this wouldn't work to well ;

1. Note: This video is purely being used as a example.

[video=youtube;UBlZP5nF3Zw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBlZP5nF3Zw[/video]

2.The reward system is pretty bad to begin with
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-27 08:23

Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1269132:
Here's a example of why this wouldn't work to well ;

1. Note: This video is purely being used as a example.

[video=youtube;UBlZP5nF3Zw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBlZP5nF3Zw[/video]

2.The reward system is pretty bad to begin with

I can't see the video from China. Also, Secret Missions and Very Hard Girgashy have a death counter, so I see no reason not to implement it.

Games like MapleStory, Vindictus, and Monster Hunter similarly have death counters, which punish the entire party for dying, which also includes auto fail.
Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-03-27 09:52

Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1269102:
How I read it, unless I'm mistaken.. 400% + 200% = 600% x 2 = 1200% every two slashes ,and a speed boost?! I know some players love damage more than anything, but come on x__x

I'm not trying to be mean..but no.Just..... No. x.x

If you meant 200% by itself and a speed boost,It probably would be either equal to 400% FH or better.The first revamped Final Hit attacked like a gatling gun so o___o

[video=youtube;-nvMlu2N80U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nvMlu2N80U[/video]

I have fixed that before you posted this :/...Look again.

Quote from Kapra;1269103:
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but if a random melee master title gives 10 dex, it'd be nice if the master title was altered to cater to that skill, but I don't want that 10 dex to be removed from the title. When discussing master title stat rebalances, I don't think you should remove any stat variable, just add and try to not make it overpowered or leave it alone.

I have not scrapped the stats given from the original master titles. I'm not even half way done. x.x

Quote from Zeo;1269106:
I actually like some stats variable from the titles as well... But the thing is... Most of the master title usually isn't worth it from all the grinding, because you'd expect the skill to get a bit boost or something.

There are more to come.

Quote from Kapra;1269108:
I don't mind smash's title getting updated to boost smash directly and not just stats, but not if it means removing the 20 Str/SP/Luck it currently has, if you must add those kind of new variables, do so without removing the current ones and not being overpowered with both of them existing on one title. Once things leave that test server Nexon better suck it up because there's no return. You can't just remove existing crap in favor of new crap. (Then again they kind of did that with Destinies and Talents.)

Already said I'm not done...

Quote from Zyrus;1269111:
IF I was to redo some titles it would be like this:

In General all battle Master titles give a 10-20% boost in damage to its skill.(Multiplier applied at end of all calculations). This make sense since it takes a lot to master skills.

Special Master titles granted to people who have mastered every skill in a skill tab. These give that same boost to every skill in the skill tab.

So here are some examples:

Smash Master title gets 15% boost to overall damage
Combat Grandmaster (what I would call combat tab completely mastered) Gives 15% to all battle skills in combat tab + 15% boost in def and protection.

Dan ranks give another boost of 1% for dan 1, 3% for dan 2 and 5% for dan 3 added into master title calculation.

Lifeskills would work slightly different. Crafted things get a big boost in quality (not the tiny one some of them currently get), and more from dan ranks. (crafting needs a revamp to make smithing tailoring and others relavant again but that's another topic).

Enchant gets a 15% boost in success rate with master title.

Music skills get a 5-10% additive boost. ex: If normal BOF gives 20% then with title its 25%.

This type of update would give us all reasons to strive for the master title. There should also be more secret shops, PTJs, and additional dungeons or content for players with the titles especially with the dan ranks.

Dan 1 2 3 gets special Arena Battles ( the higher the dan the harder the battle). Those battles give some sort of reward points (think like jousting) that can be exchanged for items or experience. This idea could be expanded on greatly.

Nope for general tab skill boosts... Just... Nope.

Quote from Kapra;1269124:
No, this is a bad idea, even DevCAT admitted it. They were doing that for a time, there was the Sniper Title, the Maestro Title, the unreleased Fighter Title, but the concept is flawed because what if they add new skills? Would they force the new skills to be a requirement? (Which they did do by the way, when the new Archery Renovation skill came out.) Or would they just ignore that fact? (Like they did for the Diva/Aria/Starlet skills.)

Instead, DevCAT thought it would be better to just add a system where you gain experience for ranking certain skills and achieving higher levels of each skill type increases your efficiency at that skill type, the talent system. We don't need more Sniper/Dragon/Maestro-esque titles unless you want to get very specific like only Hailstorm-Meteor-Lightning Rod (there's a title for the trio of bolts and intermediate).

On a semirelated topic. I kind of want non-stat-bonuses that come from achieving certain levels of certain hidden talents. Instead of giving some Str, a new skill, or some aesthetic change, I want something like getting +3 Crafting Quality if you have Master Hawker (Merchant+Smithing+Tailoring+Carpentry). Not precisely with that talent and that number but more subrewards would be nice. Mabinogi has always been a game about giving incentive for spreading your butter evenly.

I second this.
DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-27 11:15

Quote from Darkboy132;1269133:
I can't see the video from China. Also, Secret Missions and Very Hard Girgashy have a death counter, so I see no reason not to implement it.

Games like MapleStory, Vindictus, and Monster Hunter similarly have death counter, which punish the entire party for dying, which also includes auto fail.

Death counters don't mean much if the player never actually dies.Basically, someone soloed Peace Abyss, and barely gets touched because she spammed a army of bone dragons to stun mobs everytime shes in danger. Meaning death is pretty avoidable to begin with on a normal bases.Which is bad. Stun-pets would need to be nerfed first for users who depend TO much on them.And actually, current survival skills need improving so players can actually depend on skill.Also, the rewards aren't worth doing the mission either since most of the time its bad.

That'd probably only work for Girgash.Mainly because he requires special skills. [S]Can't think of any other mission because I'm pretty sleepy atm[/S]

Quote from Daniel1235;1269140:
I have fixed that before you posted this :/...Look again.
What I seen was your fixed idea. 150% speed and 200% damage. Seems like it'd be the same or better because of the increased speed. If its the same speed as day 1 revamped final hit, better for sure o__o *cough royal swords,beam swords, and pilgrim sword are fast dagger speed cough*
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-27 14:06

Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1269146:
Death counters don't mean much if the player never actually dies.Basically, someone soloed Peace Abyss, and barely gets touched because she spammed a army of bone dragons to stun mobs everytime shes in danger. Meaning death is pretty avoidable to begin with on a normal bases.Which is bad. Stun-pets would need to be nerfed first for users who depend TO much on them.And actually, current survival skills need improving so players can actually depend on skill.Also, the rewards aren't worth doing the mission either since most of the time its bad.

First of all, don't use area of effect pets as an argument, that shit is terribly overpowered. Secondly if the rewards are terrible why do people spam NPC, Conflict, and dailies?

I'm not seeing why survival skills would need a buff in their current stance. Defense stat from Strength and Defense Skill with Shield are terribly overpowered.

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