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Tropa wrote on 2015-07-25 19:41
New Alchemy Skill: Clay Soldier
"A skill that allows the user to transmute a humanoid being from the earth itself, this is a more advanced form of golemancry because you can summon soldiers with different attributes."

Summons a random Soldier(Brawler(50%) and Marksmen(50%)), the type of soldier will have a different AI type.
[SPOILER="Soldier Info"]Brawler
Increased Health
Increased Defensive Stats
Attacks will not contribute the the knock-down grudge.
Will seek out for the nearest target and engage.
Fights using it's fists(Melee)
Marksmen
Increased Damage
Attacks will not contribute the the knock-down grudge.
Will seek out for the nearest target and try to attack from afar.
Throws harden balls of clay(Range).
Attack range is 850[/SPOILER]

Skill Info:
- Each soldier has a set duration which can be increased with Rank(3 Minutes at rank 1), Masteries and Clay Cylinder Modifier.
- Soldier's Health & Defensive stats can be increased with Rank, Masteries and Modifiers.
- Soldier's Damage is increased with Rank, Masteries, Remaining Stamina(35%), Clay Alchemic Damage(+250%) and Clay Cylinder Modifier.
- A maximum number of 5 clay soldiers can be summoned at rank 1, Master Title will increase capacity to 6.
- When a soldier is summoned, a HUD(Similar to Golem's) will open and will have [Follow] and Dismiss] Commands.
- Soldiers will automatically dismiss when the user uses Play Dead, Hide and Crisis Escape.
- Takes 0.75sec to load the skill.
Master Title
Commander of the Earth
+15 Clay Alchemic Damage
+1 Soldier Capacity
+30 Health
-20 Dex
-20 Luck
Twin wrote on 2015-07-27 00:41

You can now advertise your party while fighting girgashy :l
Tropa wrote on 2015-08-07 23:18

[SIZE="3"]Bard Renovation[/SIZE]
A sizable change to bard skills and a new mini-game mechanic to help increase effectiveness of buffs and skill effects.

[SPOILER="Oh no, not again."]General Tweaks

Music Buf Effect
- Unchanged

Music Buff Duration
- Now acts like a multiplier
- This effect is doubled in enchants that contain it.

New Mechanic: Hit the Notes
A window with a mini-game will pop up when the user procs a Bard buff skill, very similar to fashion contest mini-game(Keys it'll use will either be WASD, Arrow keys or custom).
- Hitting a note will increase the skill's Music Buff Effect by 1, while missing a note decreased it back by 1(Stops at 0%, regardless of notes missed in a row).
- Rank Novice Playing instrument caps the mini-game at 15, while Rank 1 increases it up to 30.
- When the mini-game is capped, the buff's duration will persist for an extra 60 seconds.

Buff Skill Tweaks

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/a/a3/Playing_Instrument.png]
Playing Instrument
- Will add at extra note to the Hit the Note mini-game each rank.

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/f/fb/Battlefield_Overture.png]
Battlefield Overture
+10% Overall Damage
+20 Maximum Damage
+15 Magic Attack
+15 Alchemic Damage
[SIZE="1"]*Overall Damage applies at the end of damage calculations.[/SIZE]

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/a/aa/Vivace.png]
Vivace
+5% Cooldown Reduction
+15% Magic and Alchemy Loading Speed
+15% Attack Speed

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/f/f3/Enduring_Melody.png]
Enduring Melody
-10% Incoming Damage
+20 Defense and Magic Defense
+10 Protection and Magic Protection
+500% Mana and Stamina Recovery

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/e/e5/March_Song.png]
March Song
+15% Movement Speed
+10% Pet and Partner Movement Speed
+Protection from Movement Speed Debuffs

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/6/61/Harvest_Song.png]
Harvest Song
+5 Production Skill Success Rate
+5% Gathering Success Rate
+25% Gathering Speed
+20 Luck
[SIZE="1"]*Gathering Success rate is no longer hard capped.[/SIZE]

Utility Sills Tweaks

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/9/9a/Lullaby.png]
Lullaby
+10 Sleeping Duration
+15% Extra damage dealt to Sleeping Targets
60sec Cooldown

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/c/c9/Enthralling_Performance.png]
Enthralling Performance
Now scales with the User's Combat Power.

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/f/f8/Composing.png]
Composing
Can now have up to 3 different effects on a score scroll.
New effects can be applied to score scrolls.
[SPOILER="New Effect List"]+Attack Damage[1~5]
+Magic Damage[1~5]
+Alchemic Damage[1~5]
+Critical[1~5]
+Defense and Magic Defense[1~5]
+Protection and Magic Protection[1~5]
+Music Duration[1~5]
+Cooldown Reduction[1~3%]
+Magic and Alchemy Loading Speed[1~3%]
+Movement Speed[1~3%]
+Health Recovery Boost[1% per sec]
+Mana Recovery Boost[1% per sec]
+Stamina Recovery Boost[1% per sec]
+Heavy Stander[1~5%]
+Mana Deflector[1~5%]
+Natural Shield[1~5%][/SPOILER]

New Bard Skill

Disruption
A violent sound that echoes out in a shock wave, causing enemy units to be stunned for a short duration.
250 Magical Damage[SIZE="1"][* Music Buff Effect][/SIZE]
2 Stun Duration
750 Radius
+25% Extra Damage if the enemy units are:
[SIZE="1"]-Lullabied
-Blinded
-Not Aggro'd[/SIZE][/SPOILER]
Kapra wrote on 2015-08-08 01:00

Quote from Tropa;1283784:
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/c/c9/Enthralling_Performance.png]
Enthralling Performance
Puts nearby monsters into a trans that makes them follow the Bard.
5 second duration, each note hit will increase it by 1, a note missed will cancel the mini-game and the skill will go on cooldown.
Monsters that snap out of the effect will detect the Bard.
3 minute cooldown.

You just killed Enthralling Performance. I don't want this update if it means I have to derank one of my favorite skills. 5 second duration makes the skill pointless. And adding like 15 seconds to make it 20 seconds isn't much help either since you waste time focusing on the minigame rather than using up what few duration you have.
Tropa wrote on 2015-08-08 01:50

Quote from Kapra;1283788:
You just killed Enthralling Performance. I don't want this update if it means I have to derank one of my favorite skills.

Where in content is this skill even viable? I rarely ever see it used and it's CP restriction is way too low.
Zeo wrote on 2015-08-08 02:38

Quote from Kapra;1283788:
You just killed Enthralling Performance. I don't want this update if it means I have to derank one of my favorite skills. 5 second duration makes the skill pointless. And adding like 15 seconds to make it 20 seconds isn't much help either since you waste time focusing on the minigame rather than using up what few duration you have.

Agreed. If anything... the Enthralling Performance's CP restriction should be removed, or have CP restriction be higher so you can enthrall more mobs.
Kapra wrote on 2015-08-08 02:52

Quote from Tropa;1283791:
Where in content is this skill even viable? I rarely ever see it used and it's CP restriction is way too low.

So your perceived uselessness of the skill justifies handicapping it further?
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-08-08 02:57

Enthralling right now is only useful for training skills that don't require CP requirements, like say gathering spiders for Meteor Strike. That dumb CP restriction needs to go, needs its luring path modified (so they're less likely to get stuck), and that absurdly stamina usage needs to be lowered.

Anyway, how is a mini-game going to work in combat? I think that would just hurt bards and make them very vulnerable.
Kapra wrote on 2015-08-08 03:36

Minigames are something I did contemplate in my "Not if its already released" ideas list. (Ideas that would be nice to see ingame if it wasn't implemented some other way beforehand, and I wouldn't like them to change it now.) When I first heard they were going to add music skills, I pictured it as skills that would require a rhythm game like the Fashion Contest, but also requires constantly playing (so stopping the music would cancel the effect), with a skill like Phantasmal Chorus which would continue to play one song after you stop, mainly so you can switch scrolls and play another effect simultaneously. (And multiple party members could all play different scroll types at the same time without them overwriting eachother, with a Jam Band having increased effects.) And what I pictured the skills be like is each skill amplifies a magical music scroll in a particular way. Some skills are passive masteries, other ones are active skills that need to be used instead of Playing Instrument. But none of the skills would specifically cater to melee or specifically cater to life skills. That would lie to the scroll equipped.

That being said, I don't think a rhythm game would work now unless there's some serious redesign and even then, in addition to buffs it'd require nerfs, which DevCAT doesn't do.
Tropa wrote on 2015-08-08 04:53

Quote from Darkboy132;1283796:
Anyway, how is a mini-game going to work in combat? I think that would just hurt bards and make them very vulnerable.

Well, as it stands, most "bards" just stand in another room or far away from and just hit one button, that's not very immersive of a skill set.
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-08-08 06:01

Quote from Tropa;1283784:
[SIZE="3"]Bard Renovation[/SIZE]
A sizable change to bard skills and a new mini-game mechanic to help increase effectiveness of buffs and skill effects.

[SPOILER="Oh no, not again."]General Tweaks

Music Buf Effect
- Unchanged

Music Buff Duration
- Now acts like a multiplier
- This effect is doubled in enchants that contain it.

New Mechanic: Hit the Notes
A window with a mini-game will pop up when the user procs a Bard buff skill, very similar to fashion contest mini-game(Keys it'll use will either be WASD, Arrow keys or custom).
- Hitting a note will increase the skill's Music Buff Effect by 1, while missing a note decreased it back by 1(Stops at 0%, regardless of notes missed in a row).
- Rank Novice Playing instrument caps the mini-game at 15, while Rank 1 increases it up to 30.
- When the mini-game is capped, the buff's duration will persist for an extra 60 seconds.

Buff Skill Tweaks

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/a/a3/Playing_Instrument.png]
Playing Instrument
- Will add at extra note to the Hit the Note mini-game each rank.

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/f/fb/Battlefield_Overture.png]
Battlefield Overture
+10% Overall Damage
+20 Maximum Damage
+15 Magic Attack
+15 Alchemic Damage
[SIZE="1"]*Overall Damage applies at the end of damage calculations.[/SIZE]

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/a/aa/Vivace.png]
Vivace
+5% Cooldown Reduction
+15% Magic and Alchemy Loading Speed
+15% Attack Speed

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/f/f3/Enduring_Melody.png]
Enduring Melody
-10% Incoming Damage
+20 Defense and Magic Defense
+10 Protection and Magic Protection
+500% Mana and Stamina Recovery

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/e/e5/March_Song.png]
March Song
+15% Movement Speed
+10% Pet and Partner Movement Speed
+Protection from Movement Speed Debuffs

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/6/61/Harvest_Song.png]
Harvest Song
+5 Production Skill Success Rate
+5% Gathering Success Rate
+25% Gathering Speed
+20 Luck
[SIZE="1"]*Gathering Success rate is no longer hard capped.[/SIZE]

Utility Sills Tweaks

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/9/9a/Lullaby.png]
Lullaby
+10 Sleeping Duration
+15% Extra damage dealt to Sleeping Targets
60sec Cooldown

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/c/c9/Enthralling_Performance.png]
Enthralling Performance
Now scales with the User's Combat Power.

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/f/f8/Composing.png]
Composing
Can now have up to 3 different effects on a score scroll.
New effects can be applied to score scrolls.
[SPOILER="New Effect List"]+Attack Damage[1~5]
+Magic Damage[1~5]
+Alchemic Damage[1~5]
+Critical[1~5]
+Defense and Magic Defense[1~5]
+Protection and Magic Protection[1~5]
+Music Duration[1~5]
+Cooldown Reduction[1~3%]
+Magic and Alchemy Loading Speed[1~3%]
+Movement Speed[1~3%]
+Health Recovery Boost[1% per sec]
+Mana Recovery Boost[1% per sec]
+Stamina Recovery Boost[1% per sec]
+Heavy Stander[1~5%]
+Mana Deflector[1~5%]
+Natural Shield[1~5%][/SPOILER]

New Bard Skill

Disruption
A violent sound that echoes out in a shock wave, causing enemy units to be stunned for a short duration.
250 Magical Damage[SIZE="1"][* Music Buff Effect][/SIZE]
2 Stun Duration
750 Radius
+25% Extra Damage if the enemy units are:
[SIZE="1"]-Lullabied
-Blinded
-Not Aggro'd[/SIZE][/SPOILER]

This is a pretty good renewal. I'm a big fan of the mini-game.

Maybe switch Battlefield Overture +Max Damage/Attack Speed and Vivace to +Magic Attack/Alchemic Damage/Casting Speed? March Song and Encore could still use improvements.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-08-08 06:39

Quote from Tropa;1283802:
Well, as it stands, most "bards" just stand in another room or far away from and just hit one button, that's not very immersive of a skill set.

I suppose that's true. But as Kapra said I think it'd be hard to implement such currently. Also not sure how you're going to move with Enthralling, doing the mini-game and luring around.

Quote from Tropa;1283784:
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/a/aa/Vivace.png]
Vivace
+5% Cooldown Reduction
+15% Magic and Alchemy Loading Speed
+15% Attack Speed

You forgot about aiming speed.
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-08-08 07:24

Quote from Darkboy132;1283806:
I suppose that's true. But as Kapra said I think it'd be hard to implement such currently. Also not sure how you're going to move with Enthralling, doing the mini-game and luring around.

Easy fix. The mini-game would only apply to music buff skills. Enthralling Performance isn't a music buff skill and would be exempt.

Quote from Darkboy132;1283806:
You forgot about aiming speed.

Attack speed and aim speed are essentially synonymous.
Zeo wrote on 2015-08-08 10:22

Quote from Tropa;1283802:
Well, as it stands, most "bards" just stand in another room or far away from and just hit one button, that's not very immersive of a skill set.

So are most of the skills as well. I do not like the concept forcing the mini-game for Bard skills, it'll quite kill the Bard skillset, but I do agree with most of your changes/tweak for the Bard skills though... just do not force the minigame on Bard skills.
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-08-08 10:48

Quote from Zeo;1283812:
So are most of the skills as well. I do not like the concept forcing the mini-game for Bard skills, it'll quite kill the Bard skillset, but I do agree with most of your changes/tweak for the Bard skills though... just do not force the minigame on Bard skills.

It doesn't sound like he's really "forcing" the mini-game on bard skills. Playing a music buff skill would activate the mini-game which I imagine you would be able to cancel immediately. Playing the mini-game instead of cancelling would improve music buff effect and music buff duration.

Sounds pretty fair and trust me - it wouldn't kill music buff skills. Nobody is going to give up Battlefield Overture, especially in a party. If anything, diva and bard did a pretty good job of that; ensuring nobody would hold an instrument during battle longer than three seconds.

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