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Episkey wrote on 2012-05-05 15:04
Quote from TA;856380:
Human double helix -> implant into donor egg -> clone successful.
You need to implant it into an egg, of course that will result in a human.
However, are the double helices in your hairs human clones then?
No. They aren't. That should be obvious.
Quote from TA;856380:
I'm not going to bother dumbing it down further for you guys. It's not like anything short of being struck by lightning would change your opinion anyways.
[SPOILER="Spoiler"]Well that's fine. Assume your audience is stubborn. That's go
real well for you in life :/[/SPOILER]
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Maenad wrote on 2012-05-05 15:40
Quote from Episkey;856375:
With the same proper said research, those miraculous things can occur without the usage of human embryos.
Actually, human stem cells can do things for us that nothing else can. It's not like we can just 'create' artificial ones either, which, to even begin to do, would require a shitton of embryos for research.
And even THEN, there's the whole 'morality of cloning' and 'playing god' issues that people like to argue about.
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Episkey wrote on 2012-05-05 16:07
Quote from Araria;856396:
Actually, human stem cells can do things for us that nothing else can. It's not like we can just 'create' artificial ones either, which, to even begin to do, would require a shitton of embryos for research.
And even THEN, there's the whole 'morality of cloning' and 'playing god' issues that people like to argue about.
I actually was referring to stem cells XD
As in,
Adult stem cells. So, if funding and research was placing into further procurement of these stem cells from adults - all those contriversial issues can be mitigated.
Sure, you probably will have people object to any new kind of treatment ... But at least adult stem cells doesn't raise many, if any, contriversial issues.
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TA wrote on 2012-05-05 17:34
Embryonic stem cells are pluripotent (can form any kind of cells) whereas adult stem cells are multipotent (only forms specific cells). This isn't even touching on the fact that they're incredibly difficult to locate and all of the other problems associated with this.
Though, there certainly does need to be adult stem cell research considering it's very heavily related to cancer since it's just tissue specific stem cells that keep hearing the message to self renew rather than differentiate.
On the subject, calling the blastocyst a human is flat out ridiculous. We get the stem cells from the morula... at 5 days or so the blastocyst forms and the inner cell mass of that is what contains the embryonic stem cells. We're talking about 100 cells max here. It's not even remotely a human at this stage of development.
This entire debate just hurts the hell out of my brain.
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Spartaaaaa wrote on 2012-05-05 17:34
Quote from Araria;856204:
A human embryo has the full potential to become a very successful human being, but it also has the potential to regenerate lost limbs and cure cancer in every single person to live after that embryo would have with the proper research.
Christianity: One barely developed embryo, worth more than hundreds of millions of future lives.
What's to say that the embryo is any less important than people who are already born? How is the embryo any less human? Does being in the womb somehow degrade your value as a human being? If it's not a human, then
what is it?
Quote from TA;856439:
It's not even remotely a human at this stage of development.
Is it a giant squid? Or perhaps it's merely a space station!
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whocares8128 wrote on 2012-05-07 14:05
Quote from Spartaaaaa;856440:
If it's not a human, then what is it?
Is it a giant squid? Or perhaps it's merely a space station!
It's a blastocyst.
The article is specifically referring to personhood, in terms of
when the developing life is protected by the same rights as every other
person in this country.
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Spartaaaaa wrote on 2012-05-08 22:24
Quote from whocares8128;857914:
It's a blastocyst.
The article is specifically referring to personhood, in terms of when the developing life is protected by the same rights as every other person in this country.
A giant squid blastocyst?
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whocares8128 wrote on 2012-05-09 12:14
It could be. It's hard to tell when it's so small. And giant squid blastocysts are always finding their way into women's wombs.
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Drizzit wrote on 2012-05-09 20:19
Quote from Mythical Detective Loki;853626:
I still want to know why they support people who are raped in accepting these acts. Do they not know that some women get pregnant when they're raped?
How does rape justify murder?
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Claudia wrote on 2012-05-09 20:25
Quote from Drizzit;859420:
How does rape justify murder?
12 year old girl gets raped, is pregnant.
Are you going to tell her that she has to give birth to and/or raise that child?
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Drizzit wrote on 2012-05-09 20:34
Quote from Claudia;859430:
12 year old girl gets raped, is pregnant.
Are you going to tell her that she has to give birth to and/or raise that child?
I won't tell her she
has too. That's none of my business. I will tell her it's the morally right thing to at least give birth to the child if possible.
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TA wrote on 2012-05-09 21:03
Quote from Drizzit;859447:
I won't tell her she has too. That's none of my business. I will tell her it's the morally right thing to at least give birth to the child if possible.
Yes, let's pass on that rapist's genes. That's a
great idea!
:srsly?:
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Drizzit wrote on 2012-05-09 21:05
Quote from TA;859508:
Yes, let's pass on that rapist's genes. That's a great idea!
:srsly?:
I'm pretty sure raping people is not a hereditary trait...
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Xxazurekitex wrote on 2012-05-10 00:14
Quote from Drizzit;859516:
I'm pretty sure raping people is not a hereditary trait...
Probably not but they're saying that it's probably a bad thing to let their spawn grow up.
"Yes dear your daddy is a rapist serving 40 to life in prison. It's because of him I'm 17 with 5 year old child living with my parents while I struggle with school. Oh I'm home schooled because I was being ridiculed as a slut by my classmates. So hopefully I can go to collage and do something with my life instead of being some fucked up minimum wage waitress barely making enough to support you and mommy."
That
and the fact that the 12 year old used as the example would be much better off with an abortion, morals thrown out the window for a
much better result.
Oh then we can factor in the mental distress...
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TA wrote on 2012-05-10 00:21
It would be so emotionally scarring having that filth growing inside of you for 9 months, even if you did give it away... I would want it dead right then and there. I would want every bit of that person dead, and to have a part of them growing inside of me... that would be added insult to injury.
The emotional distress from that is catastrophic. You don't ask a rape victim to bring their attacker's seed into the world. That's just beyond cruel.