Supreme Court upholds entire health care law

• ♪ wrote on 2012-07-02 00:26

  Quote from Sekwaf;896059:

  Do not want. I'm a bit tired of tax payer money going to the unproductive lot that just live off the stuff. Why work when wellfare will buy the groceries and booze for you? No need to get a job in-case something bad happens to you, because guess what, the people that do have money just payed your hospital bill for you. The system doesn't encourage people to work. And don't get me started on the illegal immigrants.

  
  
  Amen.
  
  

  Quote from Mythical Detective Loki;896123:

  And what about the people who can't find a job because all the jobs are taken? What then?

  
  
  We have plenty of jobs, it's just that no one wants to do them. They rather live off of unemployment than clean sewers or other non-glamorous jobs. If I could find a job at 15, someone who's 35 can find a job. It's taking and effort and trying.
• Selithia wrote on 2012-07-02 00:27
  Spartaa's never heard of other countries, let alone understands that health and science are hard and stuff.
  
  I mean almost every other civilized, first world country on earth has high minimum wage and universal healthcare and it works out fantastically, but it won't work in MURRICA because-
  
  I guess it makes sense. Before I moved out to NSW I though making less than $10 an hour after six years of constant work at a place was normal, and that it was fine for me to have never seen a doctor for years and years because I can't afford it. I was convinced that it was the best system in the world because MURRICA. Having actually left the country, though, it's easy to see that the US is stuck driving in circles when it's not actively shooting itself in the foot.
• Yoorah wrote on 2012-07-02 00:29
  While you can't make assumptions about everyone, you also have to be fair in how you look at overall trends. The sharp rise in childhood and adult diabetes is not due to something unpreventable. People are basically choosing to make themselves (and/or their kids) sick due to the lifestyle choices they make, like smoking, drinking soda, not doing enough exercise, etc. I saw a fatass mother with two really young fatass daughters getting out of their minivan the other day, all three carrying McDonalds sh*t. It's pretty reasonable for healthy people to not want to finance those peoples' expensive care.
• Claudia wrote on 2012-07-02 00:34

  Quote from Yoorah;899038:

  While you can't make assumptions about everyone, you also have to be fair in how you look at overall trends. The sharp rise in childhood and adult diabetes is not due to something unpreventable. People are basically choosing to make themselves (and/or their kids) sick due to the lifestyle choices they make, like smoking, drinking soda, not doing enough exercise, etc. I saw a fatass mother with two really young fatass daughters getting out of their minivan the other day, all three carrying McDonalds sh*t. It's pretty reasonable for healthy people to not want to finance those peoples' expensive care.

  
  
  Well, I do agree, but I have a soft spot for diabetes. People are woefully uninformed about a lot of it. All they know is overweight people who stuff their face full of food and they think every diabetic is like that. Like srsly.
• ♪ wrote on 2012-07-02 00:34

  Quote from Yoorah;899038:

  While you can't make assumptions about everyone, you also have to be fair in how you look at overall trends. The sharp rise in childhood and adult diabetes is not due to something unpreventable. People are basically choosing to make themselves (and/or their kids) sick due to the lifestyle choices they make, like smoking, drinking soda, not doing enough exercise, etc. I saw a fatass mother with two really young fatass daughters getting out of their minivan the other day, all three carrying McDonalds sh*t. It's pretty reasonable for healthy people to not want to finance those peoples' expensive care.

  
  
  For once in a blue moon, I agree with you. We choose our lifestyles, thus we choose our health. Ever see those 90 year old women that can do backflips? It's not based on luck, they treated themselves well and they got a longer, healthier life.
• Selithia wrote on 2012-07-02 00:39
  It's mostly luck, actually. There are thousands of things that can go wrong with the human body that you can't do anything about.
  
  Also, not wanting to pay a tiny, insignificant fraction of taxes just to specifically screw over people with diabetes is incredibly petty.
  
  Again, there are countries where healthcare is actually provided and the general quality of life is better as a result! This whole American idea of 'hurf durf if you know everything about health already then you don't need a doctor' is NOT helping anything! Making it so that seeing a doctor is expensive and off putting doesn't help anything, it just lets problems get worse and helps problems to spread!
  
  Stop assuming that the system doesn't work when it's been working for decades in other places! Pay some insignificant taxes for the sake of other human beings, please!
• Claudia wrote on 2012-07-02 00:42
  And besides, you never know when you might need that mandatory health insurance!
  
  One of the shortcomings of the American healthcare system is preventative care, which is partially a system and cultural issue. Many people have the belief that they don't need health insurance unless an emergency happens. You shouldn't wait until there's a problem, you should be actively trying to prevent problems, which is why even yearly checkups are important.
  
  And you need health insurance to afford those!
• Spartaaaaa wrote on 2012-07-02 01:03

  Quote from Claudia;899029:

  Here goes my berserk button.
  
  1. CLEARLY YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OF JUVENILE/TYPE 1 DIABETES.
  2. CLEARLY YOU ARE NOT AWARE THAT YES, EVEN TYPE 2 DIABETICS CAN INHERIT THE CONDITION.
  3. CLEARLY YOU ARE NOT AWARE THAT INSULIN CAUSES WEIGHT GAIN.
  4. CLEARLY YOU ARE NOT AWARE THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST CAN'T MAINTAIN A HEALTHY WEIGHT. EVERY BODY IS DIFFERENT.
  5. CLEARLY YOU MAKE TONS OF ASSUMPTIONS EVERY TIME YOU SEE AN OVERWEIGHT PERSON.
  6. CLEARLY YOU MUST THINK PEOPLE WHO HAVE HEART FAILURE, KIDNEY DISEASE, OR "ALMOST EVERY OTHER MAJOR HEALTH CONDITION" DID IT TO THEMSELVES.
  
  just no.
  
  Also, all caps because I didn't feel like turning my caps lock off.

  
  
  I am well aware of type one diabetes, but the fact still remains that a lot of diabetes can be prevented if Americans simply consumed less sugar.
  
  Do you really think that every morbidly obese person is like that because of their genes? Ask anyone who blames their genes how much they exercise and what their diet looks like, and I'll guarantee that they primarily eat junk food and get very little exercise.
  
  No, I do not say that every sick person "did it to themselves", but what I am saying is that if people simply payed more attention to their health instead of eating junk food and sitting on the couch all day and expecting the government to bail them out, the healthcare crisis would solve itself within a decade at most. Demand for healthcare would plummet and force prices down to affordable levels.
• Claudia wrote on 2012-07-02 01:08
  Even still, American logic of "oh I don't need it until I REALLY REALLY need it" is one of the things that cripples the system.
• Selithia wrote on 2012-07-02 01:11
  Health care hasn't crippled any other first world country, just sayin'
  
  Also the US health care solution has been terrible for much, much longer than the diabetes problem so I dunno where you're getting the idea that eating better = no need for health care idea, spart.
• paladin wrote on 2012-07-02 01:17
  I wonder what america woudl be like if we had a system similar to Canada
  You dont buy healthcare you pay taxes for it if am right
• Episkey wrote on 2012-07-02 01:24

  Quote from Claudia;899060:

  Even still, American logic of "oh I don't need it until I REALLY REALLY need it" is one of the things that cripples the system.

  
  
  Which is a shame. Insurance is supposed to be prophylactic in a sense - it's something you need beforehand.
  
  I'm sure the "high costs" discourage people from getting it though. But that's why budgeting is important and if you get really sick ... you need to pay all that money - which you can't, then the cycle repeats itself.
  
  I'm ... not really sure what to think about this whole health care law. I feel so misinformed - I should really look into these things especially if I'm going to be living on my own soon.
  
  
  

  Quote from paladin;899064:

  I wonder what america woudl be like if we had a system similar to Canada
  You dont buy healthcare you pay taxes for it if am right

  
  
  Yes. You are right.
  
  That's what this health care law is leaning towards. That's why all the people who say they are "moving to Canada" - don't really have a clue what they are talking about. Hence the jokes XD
• Claudia wrote on 2012-07-02 01:30
  Vicious cycle indeed. Did you know that 6 out of 10 personal bankruptcies are declared because of medical bills?
• Selithia wrote on 2012-07-02 01:32
  Exactly. Currently the US system encourages two things:
  
  1. Death to treatable illlnesses.
  2. Medical Bankruptcy, a uniquely American thing.
  
  That's why you'll never hear me acquiesce to anything less than UHC back home.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-07-02 02:08
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