Mabinogi 2 Screens?

• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-08-13 14:23

  Quote from Ikezawa Hanako;932756:

  yeah no
  
  this pretty much confirms what I already thought: this is essentially another Vindi, a spinoff really.

  
  
  Looking at the screens, it certainly has that same feel. As much as the new graphics are all shiny and glossy, I'm going to have to pass. High graphic games tend to suck usually with no original gameplay whatsoever. The best games that I have loved so far, have had the least shiny graphics, such as Minecraft, Runescape, Mabinogi, etc.
• Continuum wrote on 2012-08-13 14:49
  Now I wouldn't jump to conclusions and say that it's gonna be like vindictus, but seriously people, you really can't expect the exact same game just with better graphics...can you?
• Osayidan wrote on 2012-08-13 17:19

  Quote from Continuum;932795:

  Now I wouldn't jump to conclusions and say that it's gonna be like vindictus, but seriously people, you really can't expect the exact same game just with better graphics...can you?

  
  
  I won't jump to conclusions either until there's actual gameplay being shown, but I do expect them to make this game follow in the footsteps of mabi. That doesn't mean an exact replica of mabi with fancy graphics. It means it should follow the same standards as mabi when it comes to character development freedom, crafting/life skills and that type of thing. That is why I play mabi, and it's also why I'll play mabi2. If mabi2 ends up being a vindictus clone with a different storyline I'll not give it a second look.
• Continuum wrote on 2012-08-13 19:17

  Quote from Osayidan;932867:

  I won't jump to conclusions either until there's actual gameplay being shown, but I do expect them to make this game follow in the footsteps of mabi. That doesn't mean an exact replica of mabi with fancy graphics. It means it should follow the same standards as mabi when it comes to character development freedom, crafting/life skills and that type of thing. That is why I play mabi, and it's also why I'll play mabi2. If mabi2 ends up being a vindictus clone with a different storyline I'll not give it a second look.

  
  
  Thats exactly what i want from mabi 2... i just dont want a vindi 2.. one is enough.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-08-13 19:33
  I think the majority of us who play mabi now will only play mabi 2 if it has similar mechanics. I don't think any of us wants a clone of vindictus.
  
  Most of the games I play right now allow for massive freedom to do whatever build you want and to follow your own goals at your own pace. That's what I look for most in games. Those are the ones that are going to give me massive hours of entertainment that will last for years and never get old.
• Azareel wrote on 2012-08-13 22:19

  Quote from Kingofrunes;932924:

  Most of the games I play right now allow for massive freedom to do whatever build you want and to follow your own goals at your own pace. That's what I look for most in games. Those are the ones that are going to give me massive hours of entertainment that will last for years and never get old.

  
  
  This. I'm pretty picky when it comes to MMOs. They have to have compelling/unique mechanics and (usually) a nice/interesting story. In addition, character flexibility is a must, although I don't require character freedom on Mabi's scale, but it'd certainly be a major plus. After that, I require an open world to explore, and it can't be linear. *cough*TERA*cough*
  As far as aesthetics go, music/sound is far more important to me than visual effects, but those are also a plus. (There was actually an MMO I was addicted to for a few months, and then realized the only thing I actually played it for was the music.)
  
  It's really annoying, though, how the more recent MMOs seem to focus almost exclusively on pretty visuals and let everything else be absolute crap/recycled garbage.
• Shisummy wrote on 2012-08-14 00:10
  people doesn't watch a gameplay and already call it another vindictus O.o
  graphics says nothing, yet they said it has a different gameplay, but who knows what they mean with that
  also, excluding the first post pics, everything else is old news rly.
  
  i just missed those pics showing a bard, a mage, and 2 more characters sitting near a fire.
  
  btw, besides the high-res textures and basic DX10-11 lightining effects, it doesn't look like vindictus. The bodies are way different structured, and faces look nothing like vindi.
  
  Ne ways im sure they are using an enhaced version of vindictus engine (why doing a new engine if they have a good one already?)
  just wait n see. Everything else are just rumours.
  
  EDIT: oh yea the characters sitting near a fire
  [SPOILER="Spoiler"][video=youtube;9DIgWjJvlYA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DIgWjJvlYA[/video][/SPOILER]
  old vid
• Elena wrote on 2012-08-15 03:16
  It looks more like Vindictus than Mabinogi. I hope is closer to Mabinogi, at least. I love having a range of things to do.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2012-08-15 03:21
  fyi, its officially been announced that mabinogi 2 has a release date of "late 2012" and nexon will be presenting the game at the next Gstar.
• Continuum wrote on 2012-08-15 05:45

  Quote from Cucurbita;933970:

  fyi, its officially been announced that mabinogi 2 has a release date of "late 2012" and nexon will be presenting the game at the next Gstar.

  
  
  Yep, can't wait until November! :D
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-08-15 10:29
  Personally I'm not too impressed or excited. Fancy graphics have 0 appeal for me. I have yet to play a game with fancy graphics for a long period of time. I'm holding my breath on this one.
  
  Seeing that it's different from Mabinogi, I don't think it's going to appeal to my tastes as the target audience is vastly different by the sounds of it.
• Froglord wrote on 2012-08-15 11:01
  You guys have seen next to nothing yet, only the bottom core of the physics which may be a teeny tiny fraction of what may come.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/UQz7y.jpg]

  
  
  As we can see in this pic, it shows the coordinates of point and click of one's character in a dungeon environment up an inclined slope.
  
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/UdH1K.jpg]

  
  
  in this pic it shows idle animations and the last pic is a parade of npc ragdolls doing the dance1 emote in mabinogi.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/8TwJ4.jpg]

  
  
  slight changes in the engine from the looks of it, the textures look more clearer.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/JBQf7.jpg]

  
  
  fight simulation, note the blood being drawn upon impact.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/DFREy.jpg]

  
  
  bone structure with textures.
  
  Other than that, and the campfire/boob physics, we've got next to nothing to compare it to vindictus except the flashy graphics.
  
  
  If it were a sequel or a prequel, it'd be a spiritual sequel/prequel like demon and dark souls. Or the reporter for the website is an idiot and likes to draw up hysterical speculation from the masses with what little information that's being handed out.
• Taycat wrote on 2012-08-15 11:09
  Froglord, I think that third image is just showing the different levels of texturing via LOD changes.
• Mentosftw wrote on 2012-08-15 11:12
  There better be sheep robes in mabi 2...
• Mystickskye wrote on 2012-08-15 11:24
  Gawd it's like each time something about Mabinogi II comes out everyone forgets what was previously said about Mabinogi II. That the gameplay will be different is old, old news. Their original statement was that the gamestyle/gameplay be "different from any other game" (sounds rather vague and boastful, different from any other Devcat game maybe :p). They said from the very beginning that the devcat team would be making a new engine from scratch (or so they claim) for Mabinogi II. Personally I'm somehwat frightened of how that'll turn out given the standard of work they've shown so far on the programming side. At the same time I'm hopeful that they'll take the opportunity to do a good job.

  Quote from Osayidan;930367:

  I've been thinking they quit on mabi2. We saw some stuff a couple years ago and then nothing until now (although this is supposedly also from 2 years ago so it doesn't reassure me).

  There were actually some slideshows released at the end of last year which detailed a lot of the work being done on Mabinogi II. One was from a design/animation team detailing the sort of work that went into making a "bard" character (specifically, the sort of poses and movements that the character would do, inspirations etc) similar to the third slideshow hiccup posted and another on the programming side of it including a heavy focus on resource optimisation. Unfortunately my idea of keeping a record at the time was keeping the gameabout page open that linked to the two slideshows and a mistake with the browser was all it took to wipe that out. Whoops :s

  Quote from Altava;930386:

  So if Mabinogi 2 actually were to come out would they start like phasing out Mabinogi in favor of this new Mabi?

  IIRC there was a statement at one point stating that they would be treated as two different games and Mabinogi would continue alongside Mabinogi II. Sadly I am terrible at keeping records (as I demonstrated above) so I don't have a source for that either.
  
  I do have this to share though:
  [video=youtube;C76Y9ceQChg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C76Y9ceQChg[/video]
  A lot of it is various effect work but skip ahead to 5:30 and you'll get to see the character models in action. Despite all the juvenile guffaws and such that come to mind at "Jiggle Vertex" it describes what it does fairly well. As shown with the horse video they've animated the effect of movement on bodies and the like. It's a bit uncanny valley for my liking but the attention to detail is neat.
  EDIT: A slideshow to accompany the video. Seems it'll be a pain to translate >_<

  Quote from Hiccup;930446:

  If anyone can read Korean and mind looking over this stuff to see if any of it is interesting, please do.
  http://www.slideshare.net/devcatpublications/ndc2010-m2-4335589
  http://www.slideshare.net/devcatpublications/m2-ndc2011
  Animations info for M2:
  http://www.slideshare.net/devcatpublications/ndc2012-12795538

  First one is talking about the bugs that turn up and how they're trying to handle it (apparently they had to build a custom handler or something). Second one talks about how they're trying to deal with the resource issues like loading times/sizes. Last one is fairly generic "stuff we did for animation".
  
  [s]I wish I could share the slideshow about the "bard" though. It's probably the most interesting thing I've read in regards to Mabinogi II to date (the link is buried in the logs of the mworld chat room and it's so long ago that searching for it will be difficult :|) with the viewpoint of the animator/designer. Remarks like how they wanted to give the bard (with a lute in their hands) a stance akin to rockstar guitarists, fluid movements (emphasis on kicks being mixed in for their combat style) and the kind of finishing flair and finesse that ice skaters have. They "researched" various things (there was a slide with various Japanese PVC figurines in it, can't recall what for though) and certain staff members had to practise the movements themselves (you can see this in the slideshow hiccup posted) so the animators could get a feel for how it looked/flowed and such.[/s]
  Found it!
  So it turns out I was off on the date by quite a bit lol, would explain why I could never find it in my logs. There's various other slideshows though some of them are more text heavy than others. If I have time I'll explain some of them a bit if no one else does before.
  
  There are many Nexon Developer Conference slideshows available and more than a few are to do with Mabinogi 2 but overwhelmingly they're all to do with design aspects and generally won't be interesting to most of us. System/engine architecture, optimisations, research/analyses, design choices and so forth are what they tend to deal with as opposed to actual game content.