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Tryke wrote on 2013-01-29 05:47
So by your understanding bow kai still up there and crossgun probly not gona be as high on the dps right?
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Invertex wrote on 2013-01-29 05:54
Crossgun is not going to be able to touch the crazy DPS that is a Bow Kai who knows how to rapid fire glitch. Crossgun is still a fairly solid option though, and it probably will beat a Bow Kai if you can't rapid fire glitch (and it'll be way easier on your fingers if you don't use macros).
There's quite a bit about Crossgun and gearing up one in this topic
http://vindictus.nexon.net/Community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F724267-Level-70-Cross-gun-Enchants%26nxid%3D15 . I'm sure there's plenty of other information available, but I haven't been following Crossgun too much.
[video=youtube;LC0Ckz2uEV8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC0Ckz2uEV8[/video]
(As a comparison, fastest Vella solo I've seen clocks in at 23 minutes, with Macha)
[video=youtube;B7culfQQwqE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7culfQQwqE[/video]
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2013-01-29 06:15
I think you're underestimating crossgun. That or he has a superb weapon.
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Invertex wrote on 2013-01-29 06:57
I usually like Keaghen as a partial indicator as he has a relatively low Def, so virtually every video of it is of an Att capped character. I don't think Crossgun is bad mind you, I just don't think it's better than a Kai that knows how to do longbow and shortbow rapid fires.
The person doesn't give any details on weapon, or if they're using a damage pot (that's mainly for the Siglint one). I'm not good with the icons so I wouldn't know. The Crossgun is probably +10 or +11 only though, given the purple glow (and not a red one of a +12 or yellow of a +14/15). I do believe they're running Dominance or something, but I can't really say.
These are from the test server from quite a while ago though, I know they've made at least some changes since there's a more recent video by afk documenting the quick slot glitch that they fixed. Who knows if this is from an early version that they then nerfed or something. I've heard conflicting information all over the place (from the effects of attack speed to crit). Personally I just think it looks kind of dull to play, so I haven't looked up much info.
There is a reason I said I feel this is around the same as Scythe and Sword Lann. Not the best of the best, but still really good.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2013-01-29 07:03
I think it's better than that, based on the videos.
And yeah, the purple glow made me think it was a +10, but who even knows if it's a +10 60 or a +10 80. Regardless, I think a Bow Kai would struggle to keep up with those times with a +10 anything even if they knew exactly what they were doing.
Oh, and Keaghan's second phase has a lot of defense...
But I mean, come on. He kills the statue in 12 seconds.
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Invertex wrote on 2013-01-29 07:16
I can't find any Kai solos where the person actually uses rapid fires, so I can't even get a very inaccurate comparison. The best Spear Lann solo I could find was 22 minutes, and I think you argued with me once that glitch firing Kai was around Spear Lann DPS.
Best Scythe solo I found (by the exact same person that did the Spear Lann and Vella solos) was 26 minutes, about the same as the Crossgun.
http://www.youtube.com/user/LoveYvien
They also have an Att capped Spear Lann doing Siglint in 16 minutes, which makes me think that they were using damage pots for Siglint though.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2013-01-29 07:27
Spear Lann solo was potionless.
Scythes can do some tricks in Keaghan. It's not really a fair comparison. Whenever he disappears to teleport (which is frequently), there's a huge opening for sandbag DPS in a way that would not be possible in normal situations.
Staves can do it really fast too.
Keaghan isn't really a fair comparison. Way too much class bias compared to Siglint and virtually anything else.
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Invertex wrote on 2013-01-29 07:36
I said it was inaccurate!
My main issue with Siglint is that it's a lot less likely that videos will be Att capped on him (that'd require a +13 to +15 Lv. 80, with Explosive in some cases). We can argue the class bias thing about Crossgun at Siglint as well, given that he can interupt the stone at virtually no cost saving him like half a minute of sitting on a catapult shooting rocks at Siglint. I only took Keaghan as an example due to him being the only low Def boss that actually lives long enough to have some variance. If anything I thought Keaghan was actually heavily biased towards Kai (any ranged class really).
Again I don't think Crossgun is bad (I think it looks boring, but that's another topic), but I don't think it beats Spear Lann, Sword Vella, or Bow Kai (w/ glitches).
Just no damage percentiles exist for Crossgun yet, and I haven't looked up any translations of the general Korean playerbase's opinion.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2013-01-29 07:42
It really depends on what his stats are. I can't see it losing to Vella, Sword Lann or a lot of the ones in that range if that Kai's in the range I think he is.
The stone thing with Siglint really doesn't mean much... it's some time saved, but it's not going to be more than a couple minutes total at most. It could arguably do almost nothing. Only takes a few seconds to walk over there and then it's knocked down.
The ranged bias for Keaghan is somewhat lost in solos. Somewhat.
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Invertex wrote on 2013-01-29 07:48
My main problem is that it's abusrdly hard for me to tell if they're using an Exquisite Damage pot or not, cause a lot of solos do use them nowadays. It creates this gigantic inconsistency between solos that makes it really hard to follow.
Also it's nearly half a minute of lost DPS from doing a catapult versus just using Atomic (skill name?) to knock Siglint out of it. Only Scythe Evie and Vella (out of the relevant classes) can even do anything similar, and that requires sacrificing 1000SP that Scythe would rather spend on Sacrifices and Reapers and Vella would rather spend on SH.
Only issue here is that we're both arguing off circumstantial evidence and neither of us are willing to go find more information since we're both lazy.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2013-01-29 07:55
We can't argue with facts because there aren't numbers right now.
But I still feel the stone cancel, while it does help, will not add much in such a short run.
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Tryke wrote on 2013-01-29 11:27
I don't glitch fire my bow. Probably why I'm usually lower on the dps spectrum. I also don't like having to abuse a bug to do more damage. It is probably regarded as advanced technique by some, but it just doesn't feel right in this case.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2013-01-29 23:15
It's questionable. Depending on your perspective (even as a good player), it's either dishonorable to glitchfire or suboptimal not to glitchfire. I don't have a moral system for games, but I do have a hand which will hurt if I glitchfire too much without a macro.
Kai is still a good character without glitching.
What cannot be denied is that it was definitely not an intended maneuver.
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Tryke wrote on 2013-01-30 00:36
I just saw on vindictushq that dual blades went live on kr servers today. When was crossgun released or is it still in testing phase?
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Invertex wrote on 2013-01-30 00:37
Dual blade has gone live, I believe. The patch was today in KR. Crossgun was released a while back in S2E2 Part 1.
Boss stats have been readjusted a bit for S2. This includes S2E1.
http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2028&l=24391
Chart is Def, Crit Res, and HP.
Bosses are Lakoria, Kraken, Iset Phase 1, Iset Phase 2, and Havan.
Kraken has two Def listed. It's Head / Tent.
Currently Lakoria has 12k and Kraken head has 15.2k. This is about a 1k Def nerf to the two bosses, meaning that Lakoria should go down to 13k minimum boats and Kraken... well Kraken is a team effort so that'll vary.
And there's more info, but I feel like I should just link to the source instead of mass posting images here. So...
http://vindictushq.com/archives/5877