[Interview] Magic and Alchemy the first half of reorganization

• Dracius wrote on 2013-02-09 02:56

  Quote from phil11g;1029083:

  Too late, it's already a mess. Not only should they revamp the combat system, but everything else. With every new update, devcat seems to forget what was already there before it, and their former use becomes redundant; Just look at what Shadow Missions have done to Dungeons. Even the setting seems to be inconsistent. What's up with Eastern Martial Arts in a European Fantasy world based on Welsh and Celtic Mythology? The closest thing we should have to that are grappling and wrestling moves, those existed long ago in the middle ages. Guns are pushing it, why would giants invent something that needs a stat they themselves are lacking in? They need to tear it down and rebuild it from the ground up. I hate to say it, but they need to cataclysm this bitch.

  
  
  I really have a pet peeve for the people who say Mabinogi is in a fantasy-medieval setting and leave it at that, denying any further change aside from terribly overused generic fantasy elements.
  
  You know what? Mabinogi is a fantasy life, and it keeps true to its promise, regardless of what some people may say. Real life evolves and changes, and people learn new things and develop better technology. The same happens in Mabinogi, new skills show the progress the 'people' are making in the game, and Alchemy/Guns are a perfect representation of the technology that is being developed.
  
  Granted, all the new content may have caused us to lose sight of our roots, but it's not such a huge problem that would justify resetting all of the progress back to square one.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-02-09 03:01

  Quote from Dracius;1029121:

  I really have a pet peeve for the people who say Mabinogi is in a fantasy-medieval setting and leave it at that, denying any further change aside from terribly overused generic fantasy elements.
  
  You know what? Mabinogi is a fantasy life, and it keeps true to its promise, regardless of what some people may say. Real life evolves and changes, and people learn new things and develop better technology. The same happens in Mabinogi, new skills show the progress the 'people' are making in the game, and Alchemy/Guns are a perfect representation of the technology that is being developed.
  
  Granted, all the new content may have caused us to lose sight of our roots, but it's not such a huge problem that would justify resetting all of the progress back to square one.

  
  
  If anything, there's progression in the story. The guns and new staves were made because of the racial alliance and the growth of technology.
  
  Giants aren't big stupid brutes, they are actually really intelligent. It is that they just don't have the affinity to learn magic easily.
  
  The world in Mabinogi is changing, and so are we.
• Dracius wrote on 2013-02-09 03:03

  Quote from Kenero;1029128:

  If anything, there's progression in the story. The guns and new staves were made because of the racial alliance and the growth of technology.
  
  Giants aren't big stupid brutes, they are actually really intelligent. It is that they just don't have the affinity to learn magic easily.
  
  The world in Mabinogi is changing, and so are we.

  
  
  I just realized he just implied that giants are stupid.
  
  >Stat that they themselves are lacking in [INT]
  >Lacking in INT
  >Lack of intelligence
• Joker wrote on 2013-02-09 03:10

  Quote from Dracius;1029121:

  I really have a pet peeve for the people who say Mabinogi is in a fantasy-medieval setting and leave it at that, denying any further change aside from terribly overused generic fantasy elements.
  
  You know what? Mabinogi is a fantasy life, and it keeps true to its promise, regardless of what some people may say. Real life evolves and changes, and people learn new things and develop better technology. The same happens in Mabinogi, new skills show the progress the 'people' are making in the game, and Alchemy/Guns are a perfect representation of the technology that is being developed.
  
  Granted, all the new content may have caused us to lose sight of our roots, but it's not such a huge problem that would justify resetting all of the progress back to square one.

  
  
  I didn't know I was supposed to fantasized about lag...
• Dracius wrote on 2013-02-09 03:13

  Quote from Joker;1029132:

  I didn't know I was supposed to fantasized about lag...

  
  
  Compare it to being on acid, there's your real life connection.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-02-09 03:15

  Quote from Joker;1029132:

  I didn't know I was supposed to fantasized about lag...

  
  
  I once joked how lag is compared to waiting in real life.
  
  You wait in line, you wait for class to start, you wait to talk to a lawyer, you wait while your food is being hooked by the chef, you wait as you drive to get home, you wait between commercials, you wait while riding on the airplane to get your destination, you wait to get a response from your co-worker whether or not that will accept the project... heck.. you even wait at amusement park lines for 45 minutes to 2 minutes of fun.xD
• Azareel wrote on 2013-02-09 03:57

  Quote from Lene;1028931:

  (I know of the new staff in G18, makes all other staves useless)

  
  
  Unless it has special upgrades, Trinity Staff is most likely still better.
  ...
  Though the new staff would be fun to mess with in PvP.
• Prae wrote on 2013-02-09 04:00

  Quote from Azareel;1029172:

  Unless it has special upgrades, Trinity Staff is most likely still better.
  ...
  Though the new staff would be fun to mess with in PvP.

  
  
  IIRC, it is able to use all three int (and perhaps the adv?) magics without needing to charge it up elementally.
  
  Unless you meant damage-wise, then, I dunno. :S
• Azareel wrote on 2013-02-09 05:48

  Quote from Prae;1029174:

  IIRC, it is able to use all three int (and perhaps the adv?) magics without needing to charge it up elementally.
  
  Unless you meant damage-wise, then, I dunno. :S

  
  
  Took me a second to realize what you meant.
  
  Charges don't really mean much. Wands overpower staffs for the two intermediate spells that need it. Thunder doesn't get much of a power change.
  Staffs are essentially just for funsies, duels, and Hailstorm. Introducing a new staff that does less damage won't change that the current staffs already do less damage than wands.
  
  If they implement special upgrades on it, then the additional flexibility might be worth considering, because you wouldn't take as much of a hit to your damage, which Mages are already lacking in.
• Johny wrote on 2013-02-09 06:00

  Quote from Azareel;1029223:

  Took me a second to realize what you meant.
  
  Charges don't really mean much. Wands overpower staffs for the two intermediate spells that need it. Thunder doesn't get much of a power change.
  Staffs are essentially just for funsies, duels, and Hailstorm. Introducing a new staff that does less damage won't change that the current staffs already do less damage than wands.
  
  If they implement special upgrades on it, then the additional flexibility might be worth considering, because you wouldn't take as much of a hit to your damage, which Mages are already lacking in.

  
  
  Considering devcat is planning on re-vamping magic, IF they implement some sort of adv chain-casting that staff will probably become the most useful of all wands and staves...
• tyu161 wrote on 2013-02-09 06:12
  Could someone point outbid where they said we get a revamp that english was horrible. Thx in advance
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-02-09 07:15

  Quote from Johny;1029232:

  Considering devcat is planning on re-vamping magic, IF they implement some sort of adv chain-casting that staff will probably become the most useful of all wands and staves...

  
  
  Depends how they go about it, I'm scared they'll expect mages to chaincast and use even more mana per second to survive. ~-~
• Sepia wrote on 2013-02-09 07:47

  Quote from Kenero;1029136:

  I once joked how lag is compared to waiting in real life.
  
  You wait in line, you wait for class to start, you wait to talk to a lawyer, you wait while your food is being hooked by the chef, you wait as you drive to get home, you wait between commercials, you wait while riding on the airplane to get your destination, you wait to get a response from your co-worker whether or not that will accept the project... heck.. you even wait at amusement park lines for 45 minutes to 2 minutes of fun.xD

  
  
  I guess the day I experience one of those and go "Dammit why am I lagging?" is the day I should really quit Mabi.....
• kgptzac wrote on 2013-02-09 17:07
  Hmm is there still not a sensible translation in 6 pages?
• Chihaya wrote on 2013-02-09 21:29

  Quote from kgptzac;1029436:

  Hmm is there still not a sensible translation in 6 pages?

  
  
  Normally, I'd get off my fat lazy ass to translate it, but I just don't feel like it x.x;;
  
  Here's what I got so far though.
  
  - Raid System, Hidden Hybrid Skills have been greatly appreciated by the players, so they're hoping that the "Shooter" (Not gunner) is going to be a "big hit" as well.
  - Thoughts about The Drama: Iria. "Creation of the new updates were fun, since developers are happy to satisfy their players". Holy shit, please come to NA mabi and replace NA Nexon staff, pl0x.
  - Then they explain about parodies, but if you're non-Korean, you wouldn't get them. Since they're from shows like "Gag Concert".
  - Paradoxes within Generations: They don't care too much about it, because it provides topics for the players, and create a mysterious, non-explainable theories about what's happening in the background.
  
  (Got tired reading, so I'll just sum up the entire interview with a list)
  
  Made the shooter class equally to everyone, but they feel like elves have a bit of advantage due to their speed.
  Each gun has its own strengths and weaknesses. So even for Taunes MK2, a skilled player will be able to use it well.
  With the update of Shooters, the new life skills will NOT have the talents for it, but it will be created in the future.
  With the Copyright stuff like FMA and Vocaloids, they will be implemented, since they are often approved by players in general, but there's really nothing "Korean" that they can incorporate into Mabinogi.
  They'll also reconsider the Raid System as well, so don't go all excited and confirmed about it either.
  Server Combination: KR exclusive. Nothing to do with us.
  They're sorry about Giant model glitches, and asks for more time to fix it.
  Magic and Alchemy WILL be revamped, probably towards what the users want for it to be. Magic will come first, and alchemy next. Both revamps will add in great advantages to either class, to make it worthwhile.
  New Egos? Not yet. Will not be considered until Alchemy Revamp.
  Reforge for guns: not sure yet. Stuff may change even on Official servers. (Doesn't really have anything to do with NA either)
  Enchants Reformation: Low on the list of priority. While they do recognize that some things must be adjusted, these will be done slowly.
  
  Their "last words of the interview"
  "Thank you for your support, and we will do our best to please all our players (including giants and players who have complaints about alchemy/magic). Always contact us for problems, suggestions, or ideas and we will definitely consider them".
  
  Why can't NA Nexon be like this? =|
  
  As always, PM me for questions on this translation. Sorry I just got back from studying, and did this in about 20 minutes (which included reading of the article)