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I'm a mage and I think heavy armor on mages is stupid and OP. The conventional MMO is:
However, I do not think mages are "strong enough", since they're spells weren't buffed, as someone put it earlier "why bother charging magic if everyone else already does the same amount of damage much faster" and "everything is already dead by the time you're done casting", I'm thinking they'd need to be more a "nuke" class, with them doing much much more damage than other skill sets, with little defense and long charging times. But people wouldn't like magic doing more damage than them, despite it taking more time to charge. Oh and none of this takes into account the new test server update. (speaking of which I need to get my hands on a staff on test server)
Heavy armor should nerf magic attack, nerf something for alchs and reduce mana efficiency too. Maybe have light armor reduce MS efficiency too, so only mages/alchs get MS. And/or add cloth armor mastery, that gives some bonuses to magic or something to get mages to use it.
/rambling
Well there's a few problems.
[SPOILER="Spoiler"]1. Dex = balance and defense penetration now. So dex just means a bit more damage, and more stable damage. Nerfing it for the tanky heavy armor means only one real thing for melee. Less additional dmg from dex. Balance, as proven in an old topic, isn't important in a long shot. Just because you have 0% damage, doesn't mean you're going to hit your lowest all the time. Just because you have 80%, doesn't mean you're going to hit 80% all the time either. I've had times where I've hit my lowest with 80% balance multiple times in a row. Even with magics 100% balance, I haven't hit my max all that much.
2. Every class can use mana shield, so that needs to be changed first anyway before you even start to get into this. Mages NEED MP to do ANYTHING. Mana shield let's a mage use their MP for HP while taking dmg. Problem is EVERYONE can use it with no problem. Mages use it, get hit, lose a LOT of mp they NEED to do ANYTHING. Any other class uses it, gets hit, nothing lost.
3. I think the only real reason heavy armor even takes from dex while giving out all the defense is due to range. Range would be extreamly more OP than it already is if there was no penalty. You'd be able to tank everything ever and just keep mag spamming and not really care all too much if your crash shot missed [S]because you were too impatient to wait .5-2 seconds past 100% for your latency to not matter anymore it it really be 100% all the while being far out of agro range...[/S]
4. Magic is extremely, EXTREMELY, ap heavy. Even more so now that they are adding more skills just to make it decent. We have no idea how much these skills will cost AP wise. If I was just starting mabi, I'd want to go with what's flashy, new, and fast. So fighter, gunner, maybe puppetry, melee, and range. So why nerf them for using heavy armor in THAT way.
Instead just make it so you can't use mana shield with heavy armor. Boom. Done. No one would use heavy armor. >.> I don't really know why a mage would use heavy armor much thanks to -10% mp usage sets, and the fact that lol wand + shield <3 XD
As for what you said with light armor, why? >.> There's no point to do that. Heavy armor heavily out classes light armor on the def/protection front with this update, not so much that light armor is a no go and no one will ever use it, but enough to matter.
I would agree on the cloth mastery, but maybe not make it souly geared to mages. Everyone likes to fight in what they like to fight in. In a few ways, things are OP for some skills. Like having the ungodly power or range + extreme defense. You can still use it, you'll still hit hard, but not as hard as before, while gaining extreme defense.
@Yakumo: Kay, I will until I know just how MP intensive that is, the AP cost, and how long it takes to cast without getting hit and even if instant cast works with it, or mobile casting, or how those two work for sure/their AP cost. Mean while you and everyone else keep doing your 600+ instant load skills to kill everything in a few hits while I sit in the corner with the rest of the mages slowly charging that FB or Thunder just for you all to ruin said thunder and that FB to not crit and everything agro us. :p[/SPOILER]
....It's almost 4am..I completely lost what i was saying...holy fuck Josh, go to bed. @,@