[KR Test] Advance Magic Skills and Others

• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-04-10 23:10

  Quote from shogungari;1066318:

  Sorry to break up the conversation, but would it be alright if I asked how much defense/prot the new heavy armor gives? I'm trying to see if it's worth it to skip Lance Mythril and save up for this instead. I also heard something about the armor giving a passive defense/prot bonus on top of its normal stats, but I might've misread. Can anyone clarify that?
  
  Also, in terms of the new skill's cool down, isn't that from the perspective of someone trying to solo a missions or dungeon? Wouldn't it be better to factor in eight people?
  
  Take Caves of Scacath for example. The trash mobs on the way to Merrow aren't worth the effort, but the ghosts and Merrow herself? That's all five meteors, and considering how powerful people are that'd deal a huge chunk of damage. Granted, you couldn't spam Lord missions, but from their difficulty I don't think they were made to be.
  
  
  Also, does meteor hurt allies? It's silly to ask, but I want to make sure because a simple strategy I could do for getting all the mobs together would be to run in, windguard, taunt (which now doesn't count on CP), and hold everyone's attention while my mage buddy gets the 4 Mars Djinn needed to summon a flaming rock from space to incinerate anything not them or me.

  
  
  In addition to defensive stats, Merrow has 1.6m health.
  
  Perhaps you could knock her down to half health with everyone in Dunbarton at r1.
• shogungari wrote on 2013-04-10 23:12

  Quote from Kaeporo;1066333:

  In addition to defensive stats, Merrow has 1.6m health.
  
  Perhaps you could knock her down to half health with everyone in Dunbarton at r1.

  
  
  There's a video of someone doing 630k damage with lance charge somewhere. You telling me eventually five people won't get their magic so unfathomably powerful they can't do the same thing? Factoring the burning from the meteor's after effects? I'm kinda shocked the people here can't already do that. 0.o
• shogungari wrote on 2013-04-10 23:12
  Double post, sorry
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-04-10 23:39

  Quote from shogungari;1066334:

  There's a video of someone doing 630k damage with lance charge somewhere. You telling me eventually five people won't get their magic so unfathomably powerful they can't do the same thing? Factoring the burning from the meteor's after effects? I'm kinda shocked the people here can't already do that. 0.o

  
  
  I know that's an exaggeration but think of what you just said. 630k for a skill that takes 10 seconds to cool down and loads instantly.
  
  Also I'd like to point something out that my moron of a friend pointed out to me. The entire combat tab for a human, costs a little over 1k to rank 1, than the entire magic tab.
  
  He was trying to make me not complain about AP and new AP we'd have to spend but it bit him in the ass big time. It made me realize just how badly we need to spend LESS AP. EVERY melee skill, EVERY lance skill, ALL of the range skills, and that one throwing attack combined (crit too) are just barely enough to cost more than magic. I just named 3 and a half talents maxed for just 1k or so more ap then the entire magic tab.
• shogungari wrote on 2013-04-10 23:43

  Quote from Slayerj;1066349:

  I know that's an exaggeration but think of what you just said. 630k for a skill that takes 10 seconds to cool down and loads instantly.
  
  

  
  
  yeah, I guess it's an exaggeration.
  
  
  It's closer to 620k
  
  [video=youtube;jNJyGw_BAe4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNJyGw_BAe4[/video]
  
  

  Quote from Slayerj;1066349:

  
  Also I'd like to point something out that my moron of a friend pointed out to me. The entire combat tab for a human, costs a little over 1k to rank 1, than the entire magic tab.
  
  He was trying to make me not complain about AP and new AP we'd have to spend but it bit him in the ass big time. It made me realize just how badly we need to spend LESS AP. EVERY melee skill, EVERY lance skill, ALL of the range skills, and that one throwing attack combined (crit too) are just barely enough to cost more than magic. I just named 3 and a half talents maxed for just 1k or so more ap then the entire magic tab.

  
  
  What about for one element? Like, if you focused on fire elemental magic?
  
  
  
  Anyway, that new heavy armor in the update, what're the defensive stats on it? I read on mabidata it's "Like dustin armor" but they cited the passives, not the defense/protection. Can anyone help me out with that?
• radionoise wrote on 2013-04-11 00:04
  Can't remember, but it's more than any other armor.
  
  Even the armor pieces like headgear/handgear, etc are like 10 def 8 prot or something like that.
  
  The heavy armors gives like 10~12 magic attack and assault slash enhancement as well as the 15/20 ping.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-04-11 00:09
  You can find additional information on the new skills/equipment here.
  
  The following data outlines the overall change to magic damage at 200 magic attack (1000 intelligence).
  
  
  Icebolt
  80*1.5 = 120 → 80 + 200*0.4 = 160
  
  Lightning Bolt
  150*1.5 = 225 → 150 + 200*0.6 = 270
  
  Firebolt
  (x1) 120*1.5 = 180 → 120 + 200*0.5 = 220
  (x5) 120*1.5*6.5 = 1170 → 120*5 +200*0.5 = 700
  
  Ice Spear
  (x1) 240*1.5 = 360 → 240+200*0.9 = 420
  (x5) 240*1.5*5 = 2340 → 240*5 + 200*0.9 = 1380
  
  Thunder
  400*1.5 = 600 → 400 + 200*1.4 = 680
  
  Fireball
  2400*.15 = 3600 → 2400 + 200*9 = 4200
  
  Hail Storm
  (x1) 300*1.5 = 450 → 300 + 200*2.4 = 780
  (x5) 300*1.5*5 = 2925 → 300*5 + 200*2.4 = 1980
  
  Shockwave
  400*1.5 = 600 → 400+200*5.0 = 1400
  
  Note that the fifth charge now increases damage by 500% instead of 650%.
  Note that Magic Weapon Mastery increases bolt damage by 150%. Firebolt is now 45% stronger than Ice Spear.
  
  
  Ice Magic has been nerfed to oblivion.
  
  My Hail Storm critical damage just dropped from 28k to 8k.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-04-11 00:09
  You can find additional information on the new skills/equipment here.
  
  The following data outlines the overall change to magic damage at 200 magic attack (1000 intelligence).
  
  
  以下技能均为r1 无鉴定 无释放
  冰箭 80*1.5 = 120 => 80 + 200*0.4 = 160 [ 40增加]
  
  雷箭 150*1.5 = 225 => 150 + 200*0.6 = 270 [45增加]
  
  火箭 (1蓄) 120*1.5 = 180 => 120 + 200*0.5 = 220 [40增加]
  (5蓄) 120*1.5*5 = 900 => 120*5 +200*0.5 = 700 [200减少]
  
  冰刃 (1蓄) 240*1.5 = 360 => 240+200*0.9 = 420 [60增加]
  (5蓄) 240*1.5*5 = 1800 => 240*5 + 200*0.9 = 1380 [420减少]
  
  雷击 400*1.5 = 600 => 400 + 200*1.4 = 680 [80增加]
  
  火球 2400*.15 = 3600 => 2400 + 200*9 = 4200 [600增加]
  
  冰雹 (1蓄) 300*1.5 = 450 => 300 + 200*2.4 = 780 [330增加]
  (5蓄) 300*1.5*5 = 2250 => 300*5 + 200*2.4 = 1980 [ 270减少]
  
  冲击波 400*1.5 = 600 => 400+200*5.0 = 1400 [800增加]
  
  魔法武器精通(150%增加)+对应魔法精通头衔(15%增加) 计算时 (更新前 = 以上伤害*1.15 , 更新后= 以上伤害*2.65)
  冰箭 138 => 424
  é›·ç®­ 258.75 => 715.5
  火箭 (1蓄) 207=> 583
  (5è“„) 1035 =>1855
• Zeo wrote on 2013-04-11 00:17

  Quote from Kaeporo;1066362:

  [SPOILER="Spoiler"]You can find additional information on the new skills/equipment here.
  
  The following data outlines the overall change to magic damage at 200 magic attack (1000 intelligence).
  
  
  Icebolt 80*1.5 = 120 => 80 + 200*0.4 = 160 [ 40增加]
  
  Lightning Bolt 150*1.5 = 225 => 150 + 200*0.6 = 270 [45增加]
  
  Firebolt (1蓄) 120*1.5 = 180 => 120 + 200*0.5 = 220 [40增加]
  (5蓄) 120*1.5*5 = 900 => 120*5 +200*0.5 = 700 [200减少]
  
  Ice Spear (1蓄) 240*1.5 = 360 => 240+200*0.9 = 420 [60增加]
  (5蓄) 240*1.5*5 = 1800 => 240*5 + 200*0.9 = 1380 [420减少]
  
  Thunder 400*1.5 = 600 => 400 + 200*1.4 = 680 [80增加]
  
  Fireball 2400*.15 = 3600 => 2400 + 200*9 = 4200 [600增加]
  
  Hail Storm (1蓄) 300*1.5 = 450 => 300 + 200*2.4 = 780 [330增加]
  (5蓄) 300*1.5*5 = 2250 => 300*5 + 200*2.4 = 1980 [ 270减少]
  
  Shockwave 400*1.5 = 600 => 400+200*5.0 = 1400 [800增加]
  
  魔法武器精通(150%增加)+对应魔法精通头衔(15%增加) 计算时 (更新前 = 以上伤害*1.15 , 更新后= 以上伤害*2.65)
  冰箭 138 => 424
  é›·ç®­ 258.75 => 715.5
  火箭 (1蓄) 207=> 583
  (5è“„) 1035 =>1855[/SPOILER]

  
  
  Here's one with crappy Google translation.
  
  The following skills are r1 no identification no release
  Frostbolt 80 * 1.5 = 120 => 80 + 200 * 0.4 = 160 [40 increase]
  
  Ray Arrow 150 * 1.5 = 225 => 150 + 200 * 0.6 = 270 [45 increase
  
  Rocket (1 accumulators) 120 * 1.5 = 180 => 120 + 200 * 0.5 = 220 [40 increase]
  (5 accumulator) 120 * 1.5 * 5 = 900 => 120 * 5 + 200 * 0.5 = 700 [200 reduction]
  
  The Frostsaber (accumulator 1) 240 * 1.5 = 360 => 240 +200 * 0.9 = 420 [60 increase]
  (5 accumulator) 240 * 1.5 * 5 = 1800 => reduce 240 * 5 + 200 * 0.9 = 1380 [420]
  
  Lightning 400 * 1.5 = 600 = 400 + 200 * 1.4 = 680 [80 increase]
  
  Fireball 2400 * .15 = 3600 => 2400 + 200 * 9 = 4200 [600 increase]
  
  Hail (accumulator 1) 300 * 1.5 = 450 => 300 + 200 * 2.4 = 780 [330]
  (5 accumulator) 300 * 1.5 * 5 = 2250 => 300 * 5 + 200 * 2.4 = 1980 [270 reduce]
  
  Shockwave 400 * 1.5 = 600 => 400 +200 * 5.0 = 1400 [800 increase]
  
  Magic weapon mastery (150% increase) + the corresponding Magic proficient title (15% increase) in time (before update = more damage * 1.15, updated = more damage * 2.65)
  The frostbolt 138 => 424
  Ray Arrow 258.75 => 715.5
  Rockets (1 accumulator) 207 => 583
  (Build 5) 1035 => 1855
  
  editted:: Kaeporo just ninja'd me... with better translation too.
• Zeo wrote on 2013-04-11 00:17

  Quote from Kaeporo;1066362:

  [SPOILER="Spoiler"]You can find additional information on the new skills/equipment here.
  
  The following data outlines the overall change to magic damage at 200 magic attack (1000 intelligence).
  
  
  Icebolt 80*1.5 = 120 => 80 + 200*0.4 = 160 [ 40增加]
  
  Lightning Bolt 150*1.5 = 225 => 150 + 200*0.6 = 270 [45增加]
  
  Firebolt (1蓄) 120*1.5 = 180 => 120 + 200*0.5 = 220 [40增加]
  (5蓄) 120*1.5*5 = 900 => 120*5 +200*0.5 = 700 [200减少]
  
  Ice Spear (1蓄) 240*1.5 = 360 => 240+200*0.9 = 420 [60增加]
  (5蓄) 240*1.5*5 = 1800 => 240*5 + 200*0.9 = 1380 [420减少]
  
  Thunder 400*1.5 = 600 => 400 + 200*1.4 = 680 [80增加]
  
  Fireball 2400*.15 = 3600 => 2400 + 200*9 = 4200 [600增加]
  
  Hail Storm (1蓄) 300*1.5 = 450 => 300 + 200*2.4 = 780 [330增加]
  (5蓄) 300*1.5*5 = 2250 => 300*5 + 200*2.4 = 1980 [ 270减少]
  
  Shockwave 400*1.5 = 600 => 400+200*5.0 = 1400 [800增加]
  
  魔法武器精通(150%增加)+对应魔法精通头衔(15%增加) 计算时 (更新前 = 以上伤害*1.15 , 更新后= 以上伤害*2.65)
  冰箭 138 => 424
  é›·ç®­ 258.75 => 715.5
  火箭 (1蓄) 207=> 583
  (5è“„) 1035 =>1855[/SPOILER]

  
  
  Here's one with crappy Google translation.
  
  The following skills are r1 no identification no release
  Frostbolt 80 * 1.5 = 120 => 80 + 200 * 0.4 = 160 [40 increase]
  
  Ray Arrow 150 * 1.5 = 225 => 150 + 200 * 0.6 = 270 [45 increase
  
  Rocket (1 accumulators) 120 * 1.5 = 180 => 120 + 200 * 0.5 = 220 [40 increase]
  (5 accumulator) 120 * 1.5 * 5 = 900 => 120 * 5 + 200 * 0.5 = 700 [200 reduction]
  
  The Frostsaber (accumulator 1) 240 * 1.5 = 360 => 240 +200 * 0.9 = 420 [60 increase]
  (5 accumulator) 240 * 1.5 * 5 = 1800 => reduce 240 * 5 + 200 * 0.9 = 1380 [420]
  
  Lightning 400 * 1.5 = 600 = 400 + 200 * 1.4 = 680 [80 increase]
  
  Fireball 2400 * .15 = 3600 => 2400 + 200 * 9 = 4200 [600 increase]
  
  Hail (accumulator 1) 300 * 1.5 = 450 => 300 + 200 * 2.4 = 780 [330]
  (5 accumulator) 300 * 1.5 * 5 = 2250 => 300 * 5 + 200 * 2.4 = 1980 [270 reduce]
  
  Shockwave 400 * 1.5 = 600 => 400 +200 * 5.0 = 1400 [800 increase]
  
  Magic weapon mastery (150% increase) + the corresponding Magic proficient title (15% increase) in time (before update = more damage * 1.15, updated = more damage * 2.65)
  The frostbolt 138 => 424
  Ray Arrow 258.75 => 715.5
  Rockets (1 accumulator) 207 => 583
  (Build 5) 1035 => 1855
• shogungari wrote on 2013-04-11 01:39

  Quote from radionoise;1066359:

  Can't remember, but it's more than any other armor.
  
  Even the armor pieces like headgear/handgear, etc are like 10 def 8 prot or something like that.
  
  The heavy armors gives like 10~12 magic attack and assault slash enhancement as well as the 15/20 ping.

  
  
  so it's pretty and effective.... :chin: I'm liking this update so far....
• Azareel wrote on 2013-04-11 01:44

  Quote from shogungari;1066351:

  What about for one element? Like, if you focused on fire elemental magic?

  
  
  Spells are so unbelievably situational that getting only, or even mostly a single element is entirely unrealistic.
  
  

  Quote from shogungari;1066318:

  Also, does meteor hurt allies? It's silly to ask, but I want to make sure because a simple strategy I could do for getting all the mobs together would be to run in, windguard, taunt (which now doesn't count on CP), and hold everyone's attention while my mage buddy gets the 4 Mars Djinn needed to summon a flaming rock from space to incinerate anything not them or me.

  
  
  It's not a silly question, but a valid concern. No, the meteor does not damage allies.
• Milk wrote on 2013-04-11 01:54

  Quote from Kaeporo;1066362:

  You can find additional information on the new skills/equipment here.
  
  The following data outlines the overall change to magic damage at 200 magic attack (1000 intelligence).
  
  
  Icebolt
  80*1.5 = 120 → 80 + 200*0.4 = 160
  
  Lightning Bolt
  150*1.5 = 225 → 150 + 200*0.6 = 270
  
  Firebolt
  (x1) 120*1.5 = 180 → 120 + 200*0.5 = 220
  (x5) 120*1.5*6.5 = 1170 → 120*5 +200*0.5 = 700
  
  Ice Spear
  (x1) 240*1.5 = 360 → 240+200*0.9 = 420
  (x5) 240*1.5*5 = 2340 → 240*5 + 200*0.9 = 1380
  
  Thunder
  400*1.5 = 600 → 400 + 200*1.4 = 680
  
  Fireball
  2400*.15 = 3600 → 2400 + 200*9 = 4200
  
  Hail Storm
  (x1) 300*1.5 = 450 → 300 + 200*2.4 = 780
  (x5) 300*1.5*5 = 2925 → 300*5 + 200*2.4 = 1980
  
  Shockwave
  400*1.5 = 600 → 400+200*5.0 = 1400
  
  Note that the fifth charge now increases damage by 500% instead of 650%.
  Note that Magic Weapon Mastery increases bolt damage by 150%. Firebolt is now 45% stronger than Ice Spear.
  
  
  Ice Magic has been nerfed to oblivion.
  
  My Hail Storm critical damage just dropped from 28k to 8k.

  
  
  Didnt they make magic reforges better though?
• Azareel wrote on 2013-04-11 02:19

  Quote from Milk;1066418:

  Didnt they make magic reforges better though?

  
  
  They got the 4x matk treatment, same as (supposedly) anything else. It's still subject to the same craptastic formula though.
• Kitkat wrote on 2013-04-11 02:30

  Quote from Kaeporo;1066362:

  Ice Spear
  (x1) 240*1.5 = 360 → 240+200*0.9 = 420
  (x5) 240*1.5*5 = 2340 → 240*5 + 200*0.9 = 1380
  

  
  

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  Naw. I'll manage.