[KR Test] Advance Magic Skills and Others

• Perfectio wrote on 2013-04-19 04:20
  People don't have a grasp of damage over time so they don't realize how completely off the wall physical dps, especially range, is. Range actually needs a hard damage nerf, but too many people are invested in the skillset for it to be acceptable.
  
  

  Options:
  1. Crit 9k in HM with Ice Spear.
  2. Crit 14k in HM with Fireball.
  3. Derank all the above and crit 75k with Blaze.
  
  Decisions, decisions...

  
  
  Yeah blaze is only magic skill really useful in high end content if you can make it go off consistently.
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-04-19 04:27

  Quote from Perfectio;1070951:

  Yeah blaze is only magic skill really useful in high end content if you can make it go off consistently.

  
  Martial Arts Tourney in 3 minutes anyone?
• Milk wrote on 2013-04-19 04:28

  Quote from Zekkii;1070948:

  Sounds like you hate magic. If there's no trade off in other skillsets, why magic?

  
  
  What are you talking about, I love magic, I just don't get why everyone is so convinced that it's currently a terrible talent, I mean yeah when you compare it to all the other talents except alchemist they are pretty lack luster with its huge ap cost and what not but I feel like giving that skill set a crap ton off percs for free isn't really fair, especially since it pretty much impossible for any other class to do anywhere near the damage that mages do currently and in this future patch.
  Instant cast + Hail pretty much solved there whole 1v1 burst draw back since it allows you to skip the load time, and they still retain a ton of damage even though they did nerf its damage quiet abit.
  
  Im just not super power hungry like a lot of the mages on this forums are. I say buff there reforge damage, nerf blaze by updating its formula and slap them with a good enough sticker until they decide to release the next lightning spell.
  
  Edit: Impossible without the use of reforges. Combo cards, Maybe possible with support shot.
• Milk wrote on 2013-04-19 04:28

  Quote from Zekkii;1070948:

  Sounds like you hate magic. If there's no trade off in other skillsets, why magic?

  
  
  What are you talking about, I love magic, I just don't get why everyone is so convinced that it's currently a terrible talent, I mean yeah when you compare it to all the other talents except alchemist they are pretty lack luster with its huge ap cost and what not but I feel like giving that skill set a crap ton off percs for free isn't really fare especially since it pretty much impossible for any other class to do anywhere near the damage that mages do currently and in this future patch.
  Instant cast + Hail pretty much solved there whole 1v1 burst draw back since it allows you to skip the load time, and they still retain a ton of damage even though they did nerf its damage quiet abit.
  
  Im just not super power hungry like a lot of the mages on this forums are. I say buff there reforge damage, nerf blaze by updating its formula and slap them with a good enough sticker until they decide to release the next lightning spell.
• radionoise wrote on 2013-04-19 04:30
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  400+ Magic Attack
  Sulfur Spider (HM?)
  -Blaze non-crit, Blaze crit
  -Fireball non-crit, Fireball crit
  -Ice Spear non-crit, Ice Spear crit
  
  Why use anything but blaze?
• Anwell wrote on 2013-04-19 04:33
  I'ma take a guess and say that Blaze is going to get a nerf in some way...
• Sepia wrote on 2013-04-19 04:34

  Quote from Anwell;1070963:

  I'ma take a guess and say that Blaze is going to get a nerf in some way...

  
  
  Pretty safe guess.
  Hopefully they won't nerf it into oblivion again....
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-04-19 04:35
  I wanted magic that was appropriately costed, flexible, reliable and scalable. This makes one spell OP, 2 better but not good enough, murders one, and throws in some situational gimmicks. Everything magic does outside OP Blaze (likely gonna get hit) and once per 30 min meteor strike is still outclassed by everyone else.
  
  Hell alchemy is now really stable now with HP based flame buff and new chain cylinder. And they were a great support talent to start with. Also pretty much all the resource issues are gone.
• Anwell wrote on 2013-04-19 04:44
  By the way, how much has healing and party healing improved?
• Milk wrote on 2013-04-19 04:48

  Quote from Perfectio;1070966:

  I wanted magic that was appropriately costed, flexible, reliable and scalable. This makes one spell OP, 2 better but not good enough, murders one, and throws in some situational gimmicks. Everything magic does outside OP Blaze (likely gonna get hit) and once per 30 min meteor strike is still outclassed by everyone else.
  
  Hell alchemy is now really stable now with HP based flame buff and new chain cylinder.

  
  
  Depends on your definition of better is :3, Bolts are no longer useless, faster casting, insta cast makes hail more useful in terms of practicality and mobile casting helps you atk things more efficiently, one can also double fire ball or double thunder by
  
  charging 1 fully > shooting it > insta casting for a free adv spell
  So lets see what mages can pull off with that.
• uoi100 wrote on 2013-04-19 04:48

  Quote from Perfectio;1070966:

  I wanted magic that was appropriately costed, flexible, reliable and scalable. This makes one spell OP, 2 better but not good enough, murders one, and throws in some situational gimmicks. Everything magic does outside OP Blaze (likely gonna get hit) and once per 30 min meteor strike is still outclassed by everyone else.
  
  Hell alchemy is now really stable now with HP based flame buff and new chain cylinder.

  
  This is a lot better compared to last week, though I agree that blaze is dealing ridiculous amounts of damage, it'll most likely get nerfed next update. But the new magic formula looks really rewarding now compared to how it was before.
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-04-19 08:04

  Quote from Milk;1070978:

  Depends on your definition of better is :3, Bolts are no longer useless, faster casting, insta cast makes hail more useful in terms of practicality and mobile casting helps you atk things more efficiently, one can also double fire ball or double thunder by
  
  charging 1 fully > shooting it > insta casting for a free adv spell
  So lets see what mages can pull off with that.

  
  
  Instant cast is probably what I'm looking forward too most, but it has a 3 minute cooldown which really limits it in what's become such an extraordinarily fast-paced game. I can't really see using it more than 3~5 times in a mission, ergo the sideclass. Though weapon slots are a valuable thing, so perhaps it's more appropriate to say tertiary class.
  
  I'm given no real motivation to try to re-main magic though, that's my issue with this update.
• Anwell wrote on 2013-04-19 08:07

  Quote from Zekkii;1071147:

  Instant cast is probably what I'm looking forward too most, but it has a 3 minute cooldown which really limits it in what's become such an extraordinarily fast-paced game. I can't really see using it more than 3~5 times in a mission, ergo the sideclass. Though weapon slots are a valuable thing, so perhaps it's more appropriate to say tertiary class.
  
  I'm given no real motivation to try to re-main magic though, that's my issue with this update.

  
  
  Everytime you use a magic skill, it -2 seconds from the instant cast's cooldown.
  
  

  Quote from Anwell;1070906:

  17 Icebolt chaincast+4 would take 17 seconds to use instant cast while only costing 340mp.
  
  50 Ice Spears spam would take 80 seconds to use instant cast but costs 1600mp.
  
  This is without mana reduction and the time it would take to hit the monster but you see my point; seems like ice magic is a great way to conserve mana if you get a cc+4 Ice Wand.
  

• Zekkii wrote on 2013-04-19 08:13

  Quote from Anwell;1071149:

  Everytime you use a magic skill, it -2 seconds from the instant cast's cooldown.

  
  Show me a video of you firing off 85 icebolts in 17 seconds and I'll give it consideration, but firing off single charge anything is a horrible way to play. I don't even want to think about how quickly you'd go through wands like that.
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-04-19 08:16

  Quote from Zekkii;1071154:

  Show me a video of you firing off 85 icebolts in 17 seconds and I'll give it consideration, but firing off single charge anything is a horrible way to play. I don't even want to think about how quickly you'd go through wands like that.

  
  
  You should really finish reading his post...
  
  
  Back on topic. As long as Blaze get's a slight nerf to make it a TINY bit under/or exactly on par as the INT magics, everything should be 100% fine. Though if they nerf it into the ground again Ima be really sad. XD;