[KR Test] Advance Magic Skills and Others

• radionoise wrote on 2013-04-09 18:08

  Quote from Johny;1065539:

  So they didn't fix the formula?

  
  
  I think that part about charges or w/e was referring to alchemy magic (via crystallization).
• Cide wrote on 2013-04-09 18:08

  Quote from Zeo;1065538:

  So you're telling me that the editted formula from this new patch doesn't do much? That's lame. I'd rather do higher damage than have better utility because I want to deal more damages, and even with the "utility" Many other skillsets will still outdamage us, even if we can instant-cast every 3 minutes or uses Meteor Storm every 30 minutes. :l

  
  
  "i'd rather show off than be useful"
  
  yeah that sounds like you.
  
  more OT: is anyone else having issues with KR test? i patched, and i'm erroring before my client starts. ; ;
• pataterose wrote on 2013-04-09 18:09
  Is blaze still using old formula? (ie: still doing lulz OP damage)
• Zeo wrote on 2013-04-09 18:11

  Quote from Cide;1065544:

  "i'd rather show off than be useful"
  
  yeah that sounds like you.
  
  more OT: is anyone else having issues with KR test? i patched, and i'm erroring before my client starts. ; ;

  
  
  Nope. I don't like how we end up being weaker, even if we are given more utility to do so. I want to actually be able to be more useful. If we didn't get nerfed in term of damage with Magic, then yes... It'd actually feel useful with the instant cast and such but with the nerf... it felt the same to me in term of mages being not too useful still.
  
  Excuse me for quite being a backseat mod, but please do not suddenly jump into things and be rude.
• Minatou wrote on 2013-04-09 18:12
  And now mages can fight to the flow of combat and blow shet up. Seems fun. o3o
  
  That AP requirement is already ugly, now it's even uglier. :l
• FallenDanny wrote on 2013-04-09 18:13

  Quote from pataterose;1065545:

  Is blaze still using old formula? (ie: still doing lulz OP damage)

  
  
  If I remember correctly, the new formula boost dmg when it's a single charge.
  
  So skills like fireball hit higher now but skills like ice spear have become weaker because each stack won't be as much as the 1st. So under that logic I would think blaze became stronger.
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-04-09 18:13
  Magic has decent utility now, but the DPS is still godawful. Instacast adds a neat 15 second burst (that is frankly only good for one skill) but doesn't add anything to consistency or reliability. And the new damage formula nerfs what DPS (both single target and AOE) Magic had in IS and Hail.
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-09 18:14

  Quote from Minatou;1065549:

  And now mages can fight to the flow of combat and blow shet up. Seems fun. o3o
  
  That AP requirement is already ugly, now it's even uglier. :l

  
  
  I feel it for the newer mages, 5000+ ap cost for a skill set can be a turn-off.
• Zeo wrote on 2013-04-09 18:15

  Quote from Perfectio;1065551:

  Magic has decent utility now, but the DPS is still godawful. Instacast adds a neat 15 second burst (that is frankly only good for one skill) but doesn't add anything to consistency or reliability. And the new damage formula nerfs what DPS (both single target and AOE) Magic had in IS and Hail.

  
  
  Exactly what I was trying to say here, and even so, I don't want to be forced into using Fireball all the times because it actually got higher damage than what it was, with the older formula, and such.
• Iyasenu wrote on 2013-04-09 18:16

  Quote from Johny;1065533:

  Well consider this then....at rank 1 the skill has a damage base of 12000 damage....
  
  Let's assume Meteor strike gets a massive boost from magic attack....1000+ int= 200 magic attack...stave can have a potential 84 magic attack from special upgrades...so 284+ 60 from fire mastery...+52? from upgrades....396 magic attack...+ another 40 m. atk from fire master title...+ another 60 from magic attack enchants...
  
  496 magic attack...I really can't imagine how huge of a boost it will be, but considering one of the training requirements said "Deal 300,000 damage on enemies" I'm pretty sure it MIGHT be able to hit for 120,000 damage non-crit at rank 1... imagine doing that kind of damage every 6 minutes....yea....

  
  
  I'm not really sure it'll hit that high, especially non-crit.
  
  I think for completing training like that, you'd want to go for quantity of enemies.
  
  Find a group of 10 enemies and do 30k each.
  Something like a group of barrier spikes in Battle for Taill or something.
  
  And to go from 8k~12k base damage to that much, the magic attack formula would have to be pretty friendly to it.
  
  Even, then it doesn't warrant such a MONSTROUS cooldown, at all.
  Not when other skillsets can do the same thing, constantly.
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-09 18:19

  Quote from Iyasenu;1065556:

  I'm not really sure it'll hit that high, especially non-crit.
  
  I think for completing training like that, you'd want to go for quantity of enemies.
  
  Find a group of 10 enemies and do 30k each.
  Something like a group of barrier spikes in Battle for Taill or something.
  
  And to go from 8k~12k base damage to that much, the magic attack formula would have to be pretty friendly to it.
  
  Even, then it doesn't warrant such a MONSTROUS cooldown, at all.
  Not when other skillsets can do the same thing, constantly.

  
  
  Well, that IS the curse of being a mage of Mabinogi right? Seeing other skill sets outperform your own?...
• Tropa wrote on 2013-04-09 18:21
  To be honest, I don't see metero storm being OP, that 30minute cooldown makes it very limited(Great for bosses/final NPC round/field bosses ect)
• Zeo wrote on 2013-04-09 18:23

  Quote from Johny;1065558:

  Well, that IS the curse of being a mage of Mabinogi right? Seeing other skill sets outperform your own?...

  
  
  Yeah... this is why I was not exactly happy with this update. Mages got more utility, sure, but... in exchange for lower damage? Just no. I'd rather have magic formula remain the same before they did the new formula, so the Mage users actually can be useful.
  
  Because of this... the level of usefulness feel around the same for me now because I have to deal with doing lower damages while having more utility with Mobile and Instant Cast.
• Sepia wrote on 2013-04-09 18:23

  Quote from Johny;1065553:

  I feel it for the newer mages, 5000+ ap cost for a skill set can be a turn-off.

  
  
  I hope that they somehow change this in the future....
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-09 18:24

  Quote from Tropa;1065561:

  To be honest, I don't see metero storm being OP, that 30minute cooldown makes it very limited(Great for bosses/final NPC round/field bosses ect)

  
  
  Yea the logic is to make situational so people won't spam it and clear things like Lord missions in 20 minutes.