[Streaming-FIN] Mabinogi Hero Bard - Diva Update

• Iyasenu wrote on 2013-05-04 17:44

  Quote from Kaeporo;1081951:

  The encore circles allow you to stack musical effects. You can lay down a Vivace circle and then play Battlefield Overture and both effects will stack.
  
  However, aside from Battlefield Overture, musical effects are so impossibly fucking terrible that I wouldn't waste my time.

  
  
  Oh those glyphs allow stacking?
  
  I wonder if the duration of the glyphs is dependant only on the rank of Phantasmal Chorus, or if Music Buff Duration bonus extends their stay.
  
  I'm afraid I don't know anything about how it works so I'm super curious, lol.
  
  Does it just apply the effect while you're in the circle, or applies it for the normal duration upon entering the circle, the latter of which would be the best case scenario.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-05-04 18:04
  The new login screen.
  

  [Image: http://img142.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130503/10/56596517201305031022432039476830559_002.jpg]

  
  
  Here's a good example of the new musical stuff.
  
  http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/N4MEttm-cA8/?resourceId=9317686_06_02_99
  
  New diva skills:
  
  Hymn of Life
  Sigh Song
  
  There's also an action which lets you set up the piano.
• SirRyu wrote on 2013-05-04 19:07
  I really do feel sorry for Diva with that login screen.
• Vejosa wrote on 2013-05-04 19:31
  Please post diva discussion in this thread http://mabination.com/threads/70523-Mabinogi-Soul-Star-(Bard)-Hero-Diva?p=1081999#post1081999
  Thank you,
• Tropa wrote on 2013-05-04 22:56

  Quote from Kaeporo;1081959:

  There's also an action which lets you set up the piano.

  
  
  KNEW IT, I KNEW THEIR GONNA BE LIKE TOWER CYLINDERS.
  
  I called it.
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-05-05 04:16

  Support bard is dead with this patch.

  
  
  When has support bard ever been good? (As opposed to going battlefield then switching to main weapon). Or pure support support anything? Support classes have been dead since C3 at least, because you'd rather just have that player deal damage, unlike in traditional mmos where not having support classes means YOU DIE, full stop, with virtually zero room for compromise.
  
  
  It just makes current strategies more convenient.
  
  If you want to make support good, remove Mana Shield and all reforges from the game and halve the effect of stats on max damage, and halve current endgame HP. Or just lock skills by talent so we have a classed system again. Otherwise all strategies will fall short of "more and faster DPS." I'm not saying "do this" but to make support good, you have to make drastic changes to the game, far bigger than casting Battlefield without using a weapon slot on an instrument.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-05-05 05:55

  Quote from Perfectio;1082222:

  When has support bard ever been good? (As opposed to going battlefield then switching to main weapon). Or pure support support anything? Support classes have been dead since C3 at least, because you'd rather just have that player deal damage, unlike in traditional mmos where not having support classes means YOU DIE, full stop, with virtually zero room for compromise.
  
  
  It just makes current strategies more convenient.
  
  If you want to make support good, remove Mana Shield and all reforges from the game and halve the effect of stats on max damage, and halve current endgame HP. Or just lock skills by talent so we have a classed system again. Otherwise all strategies will fall short of "more and faster DPS." I'm not saying "do this" but to make support good, you have to make drastic changes to the game, far bigger than casting Battlefield without using a weapon slot on an instrument.

  
  
  G15 support bard was god tier.
  
  Beyond OP.
  Support Bard and Golem, that combo wrecked everything and demolished all.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-05 13:06

  Quote from Perfectio;1082222:

  When has support bard ever been good? (As opposed to going battlefield then switching to main weapon). Or pure support support anything? Support classes have been dead since C3 at least, because you'd rather just have that player deal damage, unlike in traditional mmos where not having support classes means YOU DIE, full stop, with virtually zero room for compromise.
  
  
  It just makes current strategies more convenient.
  
  If you want to make support good, remove Mana Shield and all reforges from the game and halve the effect of stats on max damage, and halve current endgame HP. Or just lock skills by talent so we have a classed system again. Otherwise all strategies will fall short of "more and faster DPS." I'm not saying "do this" but to make support good, you have to make drastic changes to the game, far bigger than casting Battlefield without using a weapon slot on an instrument.

  
  
  The only true reason support wasn't good... even back in g1...
  
  Was the concept of wounds and high hitting monsters.
  
  Back then in the early days, even a goblin could smite a total level 100 person to the ground and kick his corpse over and over... and let's forbid the metal skeletons or the golem boss at the room, so there wasn't any room to really heal people since 2-3 hit (and most hits were combos) pretty much guaranteed death.
  
  Another reason is the concept of wounds. You can't heal wounds. So when fighting an archer enemy... even if you have time to heal because of the enemy's aim time... it meant nothing because if the person you are healing is wounded, well... tough luck.
  
  And the 3rd... most final nail to the coffin why support/healing died as early as g1-g3...
  
  There was no way to pull aggro off the healer. So pretty much if they weren't standing outside the dungeon door (which had limited reach if you cast party heal), you pretty much had a healer who had to fight as soon as a monster aggros them, which means they become a burden if they weren't good in combat... and if they were in combat, they better be a damage dealer.
  
  It was tough to be a healer back then... I tried it. It wasn't good in g1, it won't be good now, especially with all the potions, nimbus pet, and etc. that can recover wounds and hp at the same time. Healing back then was a social skill. After the battle, you tell people to sit down and you mend them while holding fun conversations.
  
  Healing is ultimately flawed for most situations. The only area where they shine is things like Secret Shadow Missions where not using pots is one of the main objectives or keeping a team of DKs alive.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-05-05 17:59
  SSMs you can plow through them without any trouble now though.
  
  Or lolgolem.
• MoyuTheMedic wrote on 2013-05-05 19:44

  Quote from Kenero;1082419:

  The only true reason support wasn't good... even back in g1...
  
  Was the concept of wounds and high hitting monsters.
  
  Back then in the early days, even a goblin could smite a total level 100 person to the ground and kick his corpse over and over... and let's forbid the metal skeletons or the golem boss at the room, so there wasn't any room to really heal people since 2-3 hit (and most hits were combos) pretty much guaranteed death.
  
  Another reason is the concept of wounds. You can't heal wounds. So when fighting an archer enemy... even if you have time to heal because of the enemy's aim time... it meant nothing because if the person you are healing is wounded, well... tough luck.
  
  And the 3rd... most final nail to the coffin why support/healing died as early as g1-g3...
  
  There was no way to pull aggro off the healer. So pretty much if they weren't standing outside the dungeon door (which had limited reach if you cast party heal), you pretty much had a healer who had to fight as soon as a monster aggros them, which means they become a burden if they weren't good in combat... and if they were in combat, they better be a damage dealer.
  
  It was tough to be a healer back then... I tried it. It wasn't good in g1, it won't be good now, especially with all the potions, nimbus pet, and etc. that can recover wounds and hp at the same time. Healing back then was a social skill. After the battle, you tell people to sit down and you mend them while holding fun conversations.
  
  Healing is ultimately flawed for most situations. The only area where they shine is things like Secret Shadow Missions where not using pots is one of the main objectives or keeping a team of DKs alive.

  
  
  literally had to make a log in jsut to ask if you remember the party healing master title that lets you heal 10% of your healing abilities and gives you 25% more healing strength
  
  using the trinity set also gives you 25% more that is 50% more right there and the healing reforages for normal heal give 25 more hp healed per point
  
  I have 2 accessories and my Trinity wear with both effects and the reforage and a healing wand with 49% mp usage reduction
  using all of these allow you to heal a lot per bolt allowing you to do better then party heal
  
  on a little side note for every 20 magic attack you heal 1 more hp per bolt (hope the new magic rebalance affects this in a good way) it isn't much of an increase but its noticable as well as egoing a healing wand grands you atleast +5 more hp healed at a decent level
• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-05 20:22

  Quote from MoyuTheMedic;1082642:

  literally had to make a log in jsut to ask if you remember the party healing master title that lets you heal 10% of your healing abilities and gives you 25% more healing strength
  
  using the trinity set also gives you 25% more that is 50% more right there and the healing reforages for normal heal give 25 more hp healed per point
  
  I have 2 accessories and my Trinity wear with both effects and the reforage and a healing wand with 49% mp usage reduction
  using all of these allow you to heal a lot per bolt allowing you to do better then party heal
  
  on a little side note for every 20 magic attack you heal 1 more hp per bolt (hope the new magic rebalance affects this in a good way) it isn't much of an increase but its noticable as well as egoing a healing wand grands you atleast +5 more hp healed at a decent level

  
  
  Oh yes, I quite remember it, but I was going by the note that someone training to be a healer wouldn't have that title or trinity set just yet.
  
  Also to add another nail, in higher levels most people tend to use mana shield (with reforges if possible), so healing is really hard to do at times.
  
  It would be more useful if PT heal could heal puppets.
  
  Also, welcome to Nation. =)
  
  Moo
  
  [video=youtube;FNUe2Xp6IDw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNUe2Xp6IDw[/video]
• MoyuTheMedic wrote on 2013-05-05 21:00
  Insta like fav the video.
  
  Well think about it your a healer you just start out you will probably already be in a group that you wana heal so you are all starting out
  
  you don't exactly need the title just yet you can rank first aid since everyone is going to be taking it a little slow to learn the game.
  
  I will admit the healing reforages would not be any useful if they where not glitched
  
  but with people who level up along side you they will take note they can slack a little.
  
  I was in a party with I belive a 8k level giant tank who hits 18k crit smashes he eventualy needed a healer because he ran out of mana and when he saw i could heal him for all of his hp without recasting and all of his wound he stoped using mana shield till the boss (I needed to help fight that guy so I could not heal him needed mana for shield)
  for 40 mp a cast at r1 healing could be teweaked atleast make the party healing title reduce mana cost for healing even more so a healer can spam it
  I sacrafice battlefield mastery for this title
  I honestly cant play without it when i trans I literaly become nerfed I am weaker in trans and I have it all R1ed
  
  The title helps the set helps the reforages help if you work hard enough to collect all the stuff healing can be strong unessisary but strong specialy when combiend with bard skills on a giant who can enthral everything then windguard taking all the damage >;p healers don't have to be squishy you don't have to be pure mage you only need the items and the ranks honestly healer isn't somethign like mage where you grab all the stats and advantages you can get dedicating your entier being to it
  
  WOAH I rambled there (gets infuriated seeing broken puppets hp bars)
• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-05 22:14

  Quote from MoyuTheMedic;1082681:

  Insta like fav the video.
  
  Well think about it your a healer you just start out you will probably already be in a group that you wana heal so you are all starting out
  
  you don't exactly need the title just yet you can rank first aid since everyone is going to be taking it a little slow to learn the game.
  
  I will admit the healing reforages would not be any useful if they where not glitched
  
  but with people who level up along side you they will take note they can slack a little.
  
  I was in a party with I belive a 8k level giant tank who hits 18k crit smashes he eventualy needed a healer because he ran out of mana and when he saw i could heal him for all of his hp without recasting and all of his wound he stoped using mana shield till the boss (I needed to help fight that guy so I could not heal him needed mana for shield)
  for 40 mp a cast at r1 healing could be teweaked atleast make the party healing title reduce mana cost for healing even more so a healer can spam it
  I sacrafice battlefield mastery for this title
  I honestly cant play without it when i trans I literaly become nerfed I am weaker in trans and I have it all R1ed
  
  The title helps the set helps the reforages help if you work hard enough to collect all the stuff healing can be strong unessisary but strong specialy when combiend with bard skills on a giant who can enthral everything then windguard taking all the damage >;p healers don't have to be squishy you don't have to be pure mage you only need the items and the ranks honestly healer isn't somethign like mage where you grab all the stats and advantages you can get dedicating your entier being to it
  
  WOAH I rambled there (gets infuriated seeing broken puppets hp bars)

  
  
  I can see where you're coming from.
  
  While I do agree that having a healer is stil beneficial in terms of the ability to heal at all, it rarely has its use.
  
  Not saying it doesn't. The situation you name or a well-coordinated party built to take advantage of PQ or Special Shadow Missions.
  
  It's just that nowadays, it would be better to just have another damage dealer and have 1 damage dealer deal party heal as needed than someone whose build is purely on party healing. It's a game where you can be anything so it isn't bad if you want a secondary weapon to be a healing wand.
• MoyuTheMedic wrote on 2013-05-05 22:26

  Quote from Kenero;1082700:

  I can see where you're coming from.
  
  While I do agree that having a healer is stil beneficial in terms of the ability to heal at all, it rarely has its use.
  
  Not saying it doesn't. The situation you name or a well-coordinated party built to take advantage of PQ or Special Shadow Missions.
  
  It's just that nowadays, it would be better to just have another damage dealer and have 1 damage dealer deal party heal as needed than someone whose build is purely on party healing. It's a game where you can be anything so it isn't bad if you want a secondary weapon to be a healing wand.

  
  
  soon i will have revovlers magic knuckles and r1 singing ;p! hows that for vercitility!
• MoyuTheMedic wrote on 2013-05-05 22:27

  Quote from Kenero;1082700:

  I can see where you're coming from.
  
  While I do agree that having a healer is stil beneficial in terms of the ability to heal at all, it rarely has its use.
  
  Not saying it doesn't. The situation you name or a well-coordinated party built to take advantage of PQ or Special Shadow Missions.
  
  It's just that nowadays, it would be better to just have another damage dealer and have 1 damage dealer deal party heal as needed than someone whose build is purely on party healing. It's a game where you can be anything so it isn't bad if you want a secondary weapon to be a healing wand.

  
  
  soon i will have revovlers magic knuckles and r1 singing ;p! hows that for vercitility!
  
  so while i am wearing all my healer stuff all the int will and str from being a healer giant (>o-o)>