[Mabinogi] - Magic Speed Update and Fix

• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-05-31 14:54

  Quote from Milk;1098564:

  /uses evasion to dodge 5 bolts at onces
  /gets hit by the next 40 bolts and adv spells which charge almost as fast

  
  
  Hey, if someone uses reforges, you use reforges back. Evasion reforges are pretty friggin good.
  
  Obviously not going to dodge ALL of them, but still.
  
  /use berserk
  /proceed to counter spam them.
  
  Many many things you can do.
• Milk wrote on 2013-05-31 14:57

  Quote from Aubog007;1098566:

  Hey, if someone uses reforges, you use reforges back. Evasion reforges are pretty friggin good.
  
  Obviously not going to dodge ALL of them, but still.
  
  /use berserk
  /proceed to counter spam them.
  
  Many many things you can do.

  
  
  Beserk drops your magic defense and int to 0.... though I guess if your quick enough you could turn the spam back around on them.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-05-31 15:11

  Quote from Enoshima Smoothie;1098558:

  This looks amazing, it makes me want actually continue working with magic skills.
  Too bad there's going to be a bunch of people bitching about how 'unfair' this is when this reaches NA though.

  
  
  I can freely switch to mage at anytime, this is pretty neat tbh.
  
  But if anything, I'd just be spamming Hailstorm and fusionbolt.
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-05-31 15:12

  Quote from Milk;1098557:

  That looks so god dam broken its not even funny.....
  
  I hope they add a miss system like archery if they plan on actually doing this.

  
  
  You do realize this is only due to a level 20 speed reforge and speed upgrades right? :-/...
  
  Lb is a 1 sec load time skill, reforges and upgrades shorten that. It's practically gun speed and I don't see any one wanting to add 'aim/miss' to that.
  Not to mention it's a KR player so there's next to no lag at all.
  
  On the topic of the cc+4 wand, sure it's strong and faster with reforges but srsly, all the mana pots you'll need to chug just to do said 4kdmg at that speed with a reforge, while any archer/melee user with ele level 3 and up could do that dmg and then some. for around 10sp.
  
  In short: Don't complain about a almost 6k ap skill set getting its' buff after x number of years of being along side alch in the shadows of melee/range/puppets/fighter/and now guns. :-/
• Milk wrote on 2013-05-31 15:32

  Quote from Slayerj;1098576:

  You do realize this is only due to a level 20 speed reforge and speed upgrades right? :-/...
  
  Lb is a 1 sec load time skill, reforges and upgrades shorten that. It's practically gun speed and I don't see any one wanting to add 'aim/miss' to that.
  Not to mention it's a KR player so there's next to no lag at all.
  
  On the topic of the cc+4 wand, sure it's strong and faster with reforges but srsly, all the mana pots you'll need to chug just to do said 4kdmg at that speed with a reforge, while any archer/melee user with ele level 3 and up could do that dmg and then some. for around 10sp.
  
  In short: Don't complain about a almost 6k ap skill set getting its' buff after x number of years of being along side alch in the shadows of melee/range/puppets/fighter/and now guns. :-/

  
  
  Hey why not give archers a no miss reforge and nerf their damage a bit. Lets see how fast magnum and crash shot could destroy everything.
  
  I refuse to justify this much of a buff with a "Hey we spent 6k ap capping every single skill in this skill tab and paid money to r1 reforge this one weapon so we deserve to be able to wreak everything and all things with absolutely no counter play besides having to spam mp potions."
• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-31 15:34
  Herro's doing a live stream of the magic speed.
  
  It can be found here:
  
  http://www.twitch.tv/nationtv
  
  Time for you to get any dying questions about the speed or other stuff now.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-05-31 15:38
  Well I for one am relieved to hear that the speed casting not stacking wasn't intentional and was in fact a bug. So WEEE!!!!!!!!!! 7-8 second fireballs go! DESTROY THEM ALL! MUAHAHAHAHA!
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-05-31 15:40

  Quote from Milk;1098585:

  Hey why not give archers a no miss reforge and nerf their damage a bit. Lets see how fast magnum and crash shot could destroy everything.
  
  I refuse to justify this much of a buff with a "Hey we spent 6k ap capping every single skill in this skill tab and paid money to r1 reforge this one weapon so we deserve to be able to wreak everything and all things with absolutely no counter play besides having to spam mp potions."

  
  
  So every other skill set that's FAR under 6k ap cost is 100% okay because they can already wreck everything and have reforges to make them even better and ele reforges for 4/6 of 'em. (puppets and guns not getting them.) Alright, cool.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-05-31 15:42

  Quote from Milk;1098585:

  Hey why not give archers a no miss reforge and nerf their damage a bit. Lets see how fast magnum and crash shot could destroy everything.
  
  I refuse to justify this much of a buff with a "Hey we spent 6k ap capping every single skill in this skill tab and paid money to r1 reforge this one weapon so we deserve to be able to wreak everything and all things with absolutely no counter play besides having to spam mp potions."

  
  
  Mages and alchemy both suffer from monsters with Mana ping.
  
  Meanwhile you can counter that with Fighter which is one of the easiest talents in the game.
• Ketchup wrote on 2013-05-31 15:43
  The mage in me is squealing in joy right now.
• Milk wrote on 2013-05-31 15:49

  Quote from Slayerj;1098589:

  So every other skill set that's FAR under 6k ap cost is 100% okay because they can already wreck everything and have reforges to make them even better and ele reforges for 4/6 of 'em. (puppets and guns not getting them.) Alright, cool.

  
  
  Every other skill set doesnt have the safety of atking from a range besides archery which has the penalty of missing if you rush it. -spams thunder forever to lock enemies in place or spams fast as hell ice spear forever or just quickly kills all things with cc 4 r20 speed firewands-
  
  But Anyways if you guys honestly dont see anything wrong with how fast and powerful magic is with this change then I'm not gonna complain and just finish off the rest of my mage tab.
  Mage4god class dethrone archers.
  
  

  Quote from Tropa;1098590:

  Mages and alchemy both suffer from monsters with Mana ping.
  
  Meanwhile you can counter that with Fighter which is one of the easiest talents in the game.

  
  
  You can't really counter it with fighter. Players would only really be able to land a charging strick and maybe a step 2 before they are quickly blasted back with either shockwave or just a normal cast of firebolt. You can hit a player with a skill before chain 3 connects. Due to the long animation.
• SKochiya wrote on 2013-05-31 16:14
  Hmm, isn't a Mage's MP gonna run out really fast like that, by the way?
  
  

  Quote from Slayerj;1098576:

  You do realize this is only due to a level 20 speed reforge and speed upgrades right? :-/...

  
  
  We have r1 Wands all over the place, this shouldn't be a problem.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-05-31 16:17

  Quote from SKochiya;1098608:

  Hmm, isn't a Mage's MP gonna run out really fast like that, by the way?

  
  
  ya Chiyuri was talking about how this will mess up her witch build. Me, I don't mind burning through mp faster to launch a barrage of fireballs while only having to cycle through at most 3-4 AoE pets to buy me some time. Even less if I decide to protect myself with barrier spikes beforehand.
  
  Really need to uncap Mediation to r1 already >.>
  
  

  Quote from Ketchup;1098591:

  The mage in me is squealing in joy right now.

  
  
  Same, I might actually be able to spam it more if I max out vivace, speed casting reforge, and magic weapon masteyr
• truefire wrote on 2013-05-31 16:18

  Quote from Milk;1098592:

  Every other skill set doesnt have the safety of atking from a range besides archery which has the penalty of missing if you rush it. -spams thunder forever to lock enemies in place or spams fast as hell ice spear forever or just quickly kills all things with cc 4 r20 speed firewands-
  
  But Anyways if you guys honestly dont see anything wrong with how fast and powerful magic is with this change then I'm not gonna complain and just finish off the rest of my mage tab.
  Mage4god class dethrone archers.
  
  
  
  You can't really counter it with fighter. Players would only really be able to land a charging strick and maybe a step 2 before they are quickly blasted back with either shockwave or just a normal cast of firebolt. You can hit a player with a skill before chain 3 connects. Due to the long animation.

  
  
  Balance has been a myth since the implementation of Crash Shot. I'm all for seeing everything become broken, rather than seeing everything become nerfed. Devcat has a tendency to nerf one thing, buff all the others to imbalanced levels, and then forget about the thing they nerfed for at least 3 years while continually buffing everything else. Making everything broken seems a far better alternative, since balance post-C4 is a myth.
• SKochiya wrote on 2013-05-31 16:21

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1098612:

  ya Chiyuri was talking about how this will mess up her witch build. Me, I don't mind burning through mp faster to launch a barrage of fireballs while only having to cycle through at most 3-4 AoE pets to buy me some time. Even less if I decide to protect myself with barrier spikes beforehand.
  
  Really need to uncap Mediation to r1 already >.>

  
  
  Hmm, thought so.
  
  And now for the next Episode:
  
  "Magic too OP, plz nerf!"
  *DevCat adds cooldown to all magic, even bolts*
  New magic rants for many months again.