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Ashikoki wrote on 2013-06-10 16:44
http://www.businessinsider.com/petition-to-pardon-edward-snowden-2013-6
Turns out, it is illegal to tell the world that your government is doing something illegal.
The case itself is just another day of trying to save someone who did the right thing, but the real startling matter is the general online reaction of people looking at articles of the petition:
committing a crime to uphold a constitution right is still a crime.
I'm kinda afraid to put my name on it...
for the first time in my 31 years of life in this country, I am actually scared to put my name on a petition I actually agree with.
Is it wrong that I'm scared of signing this petition lest the us govt comes after me and my fam?
When the citizens you claim to protect become afraid of speaking out against you for fear of personal retaliation, then you are no longer protecting them as citizens. You are protecting them as property.
All the debate around whether it's right to have surveillance like this or not... all I should need to say is that I am too AFRAID of retribution against my family to sign this petition. But this man is clearly a hero, as is Bradley Manning.
I didn't sign it at first because I didn't want the NSA to find out but.....uh.....oh......shit. Who care's at this point?
Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process.
Source: http://change.gov/agenda/ethics_agenda/
If Obama is really a snake with what he has said, this will surely prove it.
A...are we still in the United States of America? This isn't North Korea, right?
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BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2013-06-10 16:50
Edward Snowden is a worthwhile person.
He actually follows whistleblower procedures
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Elleanior wrote on 2013-06-10 23:39
Quote from Ashikoki;1104047:
Turns out, it is illegal to tell the world that your government is doing something illegal.
WELP.
'Murika, land of the "free", home of the "brave".
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Hanna wrote on 2013-06-11 19:17
murika fuck yeah
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Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2013-06-18 19:53
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Evaris wrote on 2013-06-20 02:50
I've signed it. Quite honesty we're falling more and more towards a tyranical government. if something isn't done somewhat soon we may end up either with another revolution if people step up, or in a North-Korea like state.
Go figure.
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Kaeporo wrote on 2013-06-22 12:42
The United States government has requested that Hong Kong extradite Edward Snowden to the Unites States, where he will be tried for espionage.
I understand the purpose behind the petition, but you can at least identify that he consciously violated article 106a of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which does apply to him as a defense contractor. At best, you can hope that he's not convicted in both courts of law.
Regardless, this leak may have exposed lesser-known national vulnerabilities which could erode the very thing keeping a very long list of people from fucking us up.
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Evaris wrote on 2013-06-22 19:29
Quote from Kaeporo;1110576:
The United States government has requested that Hong Kong extradite Edward Snowden to the Unites States, where he will be tried for espionage.
I understand the purpose behind the petition, but you can at least identify that he consciously violated article 106a of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which does apply to him as a defense contractor. At best, you can hope that he's not convicted in both courts of law.
Regardless, this leak may have exposed lesser-known national vulnerabilities which could erode the very thing keeping a very long list of people from fucking us up.
Except that the NSA was in clear violation of the 4th amendment, bypassing the requirement of a legal warrant being in place. Given that the Constitution is the highest law in the United States (or is supposed to be officially) he did the correct thing in exposing the unconstitutional act. The government is meant to be a public servant, so acts that could bring harm to the people ARE heroic and should not be punished.
Even if this weren't the case and legal grounds were sound on the side of the government, it still has potential to harm the people. In the end, sometimes you need to be a bad citizen to be a good human.
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Osayidan wrote on 2013-06-22 20:03
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Elleanior wrote on 2013-06-22 21:16
Quote from Osayidan;1110714:
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Both are true, and both are illegal.
'MURIKA.
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Ninjam wrote on 2013-06-22 21:39
Anyone have a link on exactly what he released? I want to see the info he released not in a general description but the exact documents, info, ect. Every single result in the first few pages of google of his name seems to be nothing more than "NSA Whistleblower charged with espianoge" or "Snowden says he will never see home again!" and all I want to see is what exactly the surveillance programs he exposed did. It was called PRISM, or something I think, but searches for that didnt help me at all either. I want to see a news article on what he gave out, not on who he is, I already read like 5 of them on that alone.
Seems kinda stupid that there charging him with anything though, from all the news reports I read it seems he just exposed information on government corruption
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Kaeporo wrote on 2013-06-23 00:09
I don't see Edward Snowden as being any more of a "national hero" than Bradley Manning, disregarding the instability of the latter.
Perhaps he did mean well, the media isn't twisting what could be an elaborate hoax, and the government is in the wrong. Would you see the United States face the Arab Spring? Food for thought. I'm conflicted about this issue but i'll side with him facing criminal charges, having accomplished his objective of leaking information while knowing the costs entailed.
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Evaris wrote on 2013-06-23 00:37
Quote from Kaeporo;1110821:
I don't see Edward Snowden as being any more of a "national hero" than Bradley Manning, disregarding the instability of the latter.
Perhaps he did mean well, the media isn't twisting what could be an elaborate hoax, and the government is in the wrong. Would you see the United States face the Arab Spring? Food for thought. I'm conflicted about this issue but i'll side with him facing criminal charges, having accomplished his objective of leaking information while knowing the costs entailed.
Quite honestly at this point there is so much corruption in the US government I feel a revolution is likely necessary. Hell the original revolution started for less reasons than we have now from the last decade, with the Patriot act and 2012 NDAA more or less completely removing the bill of rights in the mind of the government. (which shouldn't work as the Constitution is supposed to supersede any laws which are not amendments to the constitution itself. But the government ignores this.)
Aside from this, I consider Manning a hero too. The fact is crimes are crimes, and if it is a crime to reveal a crime the government or military has committed, there is a serious problem with the system of government. In the end, it is people such as Snowden and Manning who give me at least some hope in humanity still, what little left I have.
Consider this quote;
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
-Albert Einstein
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Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2013-06-25 08:00
Quote from Ninjam;1110760:
Anyone have a link on exactly what he released?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29
http://thedocs.hostzi.com/DoD_NetOps_Strategic_Vision.pdf (relating to PRISM, released by Anonymous after the Snowden documents surfaced)
If you're wanting to see the actual documents he released, good luck. You'll probably need to search the Deep Web for that, and that's risky business.
Quote from Ninjam;1110760:
Seems kinda stupid that there charging him with anything though, from all the news reports I read it seems he just exposed information on government corruption
That's kind of the point. The government doesn't like people exposing their corruption. That's WHY they want him dead.
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Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2013-06-25 08:00
Quote from Ninjam;1110760:
Anyone have a link on exactly what he released?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29
http://thedocs.hostzi.com/DoD_NetOps_Strategic_Vision.pdf (relating to PRISM, released by Anonymous after the Snowden documents surfaced)
Quote from Ninjam;1110760:
Seems kinda stupid that there charging him with anything though, from all the news reports I read it seems he just exposed information on government corruption
That's kind of the point. The government doesn't like people exposing their corruption. That's WHY they want him dead.