[Mabinogi] The Saga of Iria + Dragon Raid System

• ewire123 wrote on 2013-06-19 17:54

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1109175:

  The challenge drops the more people involved.

  
  
  Everything get easier with more people. Unless you want to limit the amount of people that can participate in boss fight,which is just dumb.
  
  The old reward system when people bring their pets, and alt in just to hit a few times then get reward is plain stupid. I'm glad devcat implement this new boss reward system.
• SKochiya wrote on 2013-06-19 18:00

  Quote from ewire123;1109177:

  Everything get easier with more people. Unless you want to limit the amount of people that can participate in boss fight,which is just dumb.
  
  The old reward system when people bring their pets, and alt in just to hit a few times then get reward is plain stupid. I'm glad devcat implement this new boss reward system.

  
  
  One of the problems is that healers have little to no chance of receiving full points unless people die a lot and choose "wait for rescue" instead of "Revive right here", and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
  
  And people will eventually find a way to "face-roll" the new field bosses, just like they always have.
  Desert Dragon and Alligator will be really easy especially when they will no longer run away.
  
  The only times we really get party play "forced" upon us, is during RP-style events.
  
  One way to possibly bring party play into bossing is by having players become unable to switch weapons as soon as the fight begins, and that way they will have to decide on their roles.
  Of course, not many people would like that, Mabinogi is meant to be "limitless", after all.
• ewire123 wrote on 2013-06-19 18:06

  Quote from SKochiya;1109180:

  One of the problems is that healers have little to no chance of receiving full points unless people die a lot and choose "wait for rescue" instead of "Revive right here", and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
  
  And people will eventually find a way to "face-roll" the new field bosses, just like they always have.
  Desert Dragon and Alligator will be really easy especially when they will no longer run away.

  
  Revive right here cost a shit load of exp, but I can see your point.
  Dont know how they will find a way to face roll , you can't use pet nor elemental reforge, and they have fuckton of HP on top of that. And the munch munch skill.
• SKochiya wrote on 2013-06-19 18:09

  Quote from ewire123;1109184:

  Revive right here cost a shit load of exp, but I can see your point.
  Dont know how they will find a way to face roll , you can't use pet nor elemental reforge, and they have fuckton of HP on top of that. And the munch munch skill.

  
  
  Well by face-rolling I did not necessarilly mean to kill them quickly, but rather finding a weakness in their AI that allows people to get out without a single scratch, just like with our current field Dragons. And that alone will already make people rage every time they get the Recovery task put upon them...
  
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  While the new field bosses are on the subject, does anyone know if things like Spinning Uppercut Def/Prot reduction or Brionac's protection reduction works on the new dragons?
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2013-06-19 18:28

  Quote from SKochiya;1109186:

  While the new field bosses are on the subject, does anyone know if things like Spinning Uppercut Def/Prot reduction or Brionac's protection reduction works on the new dragons?

  
  
  I kinda doubt it but then again, I'm no KR tester.
  
  The tactics to kill fbs is going to remain largely the same. It'll just be more difficult/random and makes it super easy for people to leech.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-06-19 18:31

  Quote from Yuuki Asuna;1109191:

  I kinda doubt it but then again, I'm no KR tester.
  
  The tactics to kill fbs is going to remain largely the same. It'll just be more difficult/random and makes it super easy for people to leech.

  
  
  Not at all...
  
  With the contribution system if you don't help you get punished.
  
  Meaning your exp is less, your gold is less, and your drop will be terrible. The more you contribute the better.
  
  Also to point out, you can't summon pets anymore at the area of a giant field boss... so no more avoiding fireballs on flying pets, no pet finishes, etc.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-06-19 19:45

  Quote from Iyasenu;1109124:

  For Magic Craft...
  Sounds like you'd need drops from monsters that appear in the ecology reservation.
  Maybe.
  Er, here's a list from a Wiki-user's page.
  
  They also have a list for engineering a bit below that, too.

  
  
  That info isn't 100% Accurate. I just went back and forth with Teto to cross check the KR files and Tsukuyomai's list. I would definitely use the full information I compiled here:
  http://mabination.com/threads/72246-Mabinogi-Engineering-and-Sulien-Ecology-List
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-06-20 02:25

  Quote from Kenero;1109192:

  Not at all...
  
  With the contribution system if you don't help you get punished.
  
  Meaning your exp is less, your gold is less, and your drop will be terrible. The more you contribute the better.
  
  Also to point out, you can't summon pets anymore at the area of a giant field boss... so no more avoiding fireballs on flying pets, no pet finishes, etc.

  
  
  Not sure if Brilliant genius idea
  
  Or just sheer stupidity
• Syr wrote on 2013-06-20 02:46

  Quote from Gensokyou;1109412:

  Not sure if Brilliant genius idea
  
  Or just sheer stupidity

  
  
  Persona, paper airplanes, blaze invinciblity frames...
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-06-20 02:59

  Quote from Syr;1109423:

  Persona, paper airplanes, blaze invinciblity frames...

  
  
  Hence my statement.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-06-20 10:03

  Quote from Gensokyou;1109432:

  Hence my statement.

  
  
  It does cut out one source of cheap way to finish bosses though so that's a step in the right direction I'd say. Players will always strive to find ways to avoid taking damage and to make boss fights easier. That's just the nature of games.
• KINGZZ wrote on 2013-06-20 18:01
  question will dragons raids start at g18ep1? or is it a certain episode we must wait for it?
• Kenero wrote on 2013-06-20 20:32

  Quote from KINGZZ;1109775:

  question will dragons raids start at g18ep1? or is it a certain episode we must wait for it?

  
  
  Seems like we may get it right from the get-go... but I do not know what Nexon NA is planning.
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2013-06-20 21:45

  Quote from Kenero;1109192:

  Not at all...
  
  With the contribution system if you don't help you get punished.
  
  Meaning your exp is less, your gold is less, and your drop will be terrible. The more you contribute the better.
  
  Also to point out, you can't summon pets anymore at the area of a giant field boss... so no more avoiding fireballs on flying pets, no pet finishes, etc.

  
  
  At first I didn't take a fancy to the idea of everyone having access to demonic materials and rare drops but after sleeping on it, I realize that this is actually a good way to shift the market dependence away from gacha. That is, until they release demonic weapons in a gacha (which they of course will).
  
  

  Quote from Gensokyou;1109432:

  Hence my statement.

  
  
  It's actually a good way to level the playing field between people with lots of fast-hit pets versus those who don't even have pets outside of the free ones available. IIRC, the new finishing rule take total damage into account (in addition to hit count?) and elemental reforges have no effect on at least the big dragons? If both of these are true, then the finishing system is much more fair than it was before (minus the whole munch munch thing which I still find hilarious).
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-06-20 21:47

  Quote from Yuuki Asuna;1109847:

  
  It's actually a good way to level the playing field between people with lots of fast-hit pets versus those who don't even have pets outside of the free ones available. IIRC, the new finishing rule take total damage into account (in addition to hit count?) and elemental reforges have no effect on at least the big dragons? If both of these are true, then the finishing system is much more fair than it was before (minus the whole munch munch thing which I still find hilarious).

  
  
  Everyone seems to be misunderstanding my post.
  
  I'm talking about being able to fly up on a pet to avoid a fireball/attack/etc. The number of hits should never have determined the drop, it should be about the damage.