[KR Live] Talent Journal Tab and Beginner Revamp

• wildk wrote on 2013-09-09 17:37

  Quote from ╔╦╗╒╕║╒╕;1146060:

  blacksmithing, synthesis, engineering, and all the other life skills out there aren't enough? D:

  
  
  Sure, there's a large variety, but not enough motivation to actually get players to do them actively.
  
  How often do you use your life skills. Only ones I touch outside of grinding is maybe potion making and synthesis.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-09-09 17:43
  Well I know the Magic Crafting is something I'll use a lot to make myself higher quality bullets. Carpeting you would use to make firewood for enchanting if you don't need the bows. Rest are hit and miss attempts to try and squeeze some value out of things that gach's rape the heck out of.
  
  Although cooking is a pretty decent life skill if you want to bother with utilizing the food buffs. Even more so with the new master chef skills like food festival.
• Twiliterror wrote on 2013-09-09 17:56
  Honestly they're better off revamping life skills, instead of making new ones
  
  Tailoring - Has hardly any worth it to actually tailor stuff since majority of the stuff you can make it out of date or gacha'd to death
  Blacksmithing - Same as Tailoring more or less
  Taming Wild Animals - Has hard any use aside from some G8 and one of the chapter 3 quests involving lost cats and dogs, as well as the journal for it. Needs more uses, not to mention maybe some stats.
  Synthesis - Anything you can make with Synthesis is hardly worth it these days, it's a huge gold sink with little return and aside from duping ingots and pots, hardly worth it (loses the duping crystals part when Zero update comes out)
  Handicraft - More or less the same as Tailoring and Blacksmithing
  Winemaking - Needs an actual use besides just being a stat giver, not that it would help much since the related feature is still broken
  Campfire - Needs to be uncapped
  Rest - Needs to be uncapped
  Fishing - Needs a lil' bit of an update
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-09-09 18:11
  Every single skill should add stats, Alchemy skills included.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-09-09 19:02

  Quote from Twiliterror;1146074:

  Honestly they're better off revamping life skills, instead of making new ones
  
  Tailoring - Has hardly any worth it to actually tailor stuff since majority of the stuff you can make it out of date or gacha'd to death
  Blacksmithing - Same as Tailoring more or less
  Taming Wild Animals - Has hard any use aside from some G8 and one of the chapter 3 quests involving lost cats and dogs, as well as the journal for it. Needs more uses, not to mention maybe some stats.
  Synthesis - Anything you can make with Synthesis is hardly worth it these days, it's a huge gold sink with little return and aside from duping ingots and pots, hardly worth it (loses the duping crystals part when Zero update comes out)
  Handicraft - More or less the same as Tailoring and Blacksmithing
  Winemaking - Needs an actual use besides just being a stat giver, not that it would help much since the related feature is still broken
  Campfire - Needs to be uncapped
  Rest - Needs to be uncapped
  Fishing - Needs a lil' bit of an update

  
  
  While you are talking about Campfire and Rest. How about unranking First Aid so I have something that isn't such a pain in the butt to rank for cleric talent.
• Twiliterror wrote on 2013-09-09 19:10

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1146090:

  While you are talking about Campfire and Rest. How about uncapping First Aid so I have something that isn't such a pain in the butt to rank for cleric talent.

  
  Knew I forgot a skill somewhere -facepalm-
  
  Think also Cooking needs more of an uncap with the Master Chef update (it only gets one rank uncapped with the update
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-09-09 19:22
  Also, Mediation needs an uncap as does Mana Shield.
• Noel Vermillion wrote on 2013-09-09 19:42

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1146096:

  Also, Mediation needs an uncap as does Mana Shield.

  
  
  Why not just uncap all the currently capped skills? I mean there isn't much point to having those caps anymore, so I don't see why Nexon hasn't done it yet.
• Twiliterror wrote on 2013-09-09 20:38
  Aside from Mana Shield (why does that still have a cap), every other uncapped skill requires a book/quest to further ranking it. Probably haven't figured out what should rank them up (kinda why you occasionally see a one rank up for some skills occasionally) for cooking it's probably more so figuring how what kind of cooking that rank should be as well.
• Psy wrote on 2013-09-09 21:00

  Quote from ╔╦╗╒╕║╒╕;1146060:

  blacksmithing, synthesis, engineering, and all the other life skills out there aren't enough? D:

  
  There are many "different life skills", but they're moreso all the same generic gatheirng skill or same generic production skill. Sure, once in a while there is a twist, like Carpentry being both production and gathering, and Synthesis being more annoying to train and random. . . But they're pretty much the same.
  
  I'm going to categorize the life skills.
  
  Gathering Skills:
  Herbalism
  Metallurgy
  Rare Mineralogy
  Shyllien Ecology
  Sheep Shearing
  Mining
  Egg Gathering
  Milking
  Harvesting
  Hoeing
  Mushroom Gathering
  
  Production Skills:
  Tailoring
  Weaving
  Handicraft
  Refining
  Blacksmithing
  Potion Making
  Hillwen Engineering
  Magic Craft
  Synthesis
  Metal Conversion
  
  Book Skills:
  Campfire
  First Aid
  Rest
  Meditation
  
  Mastery Skills:
  Production Mastery
  Wine Making (Is part book skill)
  Commerce Mastery
  Transmutation
  
  Special Cases:
  Carpentry (Gathering and Production)
  Fragmentation (Technically production, moreso the opposite of production)
  
  Truly Unique Skills:
  Cooking (Is part book skill)
  Fishing
  Taming Wild Animals
  Enchanting
  Playing Instrument and Singing (if they still count as life)
  
  Not included:
  Transformation Mastery (Moreso a combat-type mastery skill if anything)
  Mana Crystallization (A combat alchemy skill, it's only production in the sense that it increases success rate of making mana crystals, which all alchemy skills pretty much do pre-zero)
  
  Conclusion:
  Well look at that, 12 gathering skills, 12 production skills, and four masteries. Only 5/6 truly unique life skills, and that's what we need more of. Not more generic gathering/production skills. Also, in my opinion, we need more book skills. Not necessarily 1 book 100% book like some of the moreso known book skills, but skills like Wine Making that only use books every few ranks, or cooking that uses books every rank but only for 50% training.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-09-09 21:09
  I could have sworn cooking was uncapped beyond r5 though. I need to look into that.
  
  I think r5->r1 cooking was just no books, pure cooking cause they ran out of cooking methods. At least that's what I heard.
• Psy wrote on 2013-09-09 21:14

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1146115:

  I could have sworn cooking was uncapped beyond r5 though. I need to look into that.
  
  I think r5->r1 cooking was just no books, pure cooking cause they ran out of cooking methods. At least that's what I heard.

  
  Cooking in NA atm is capped at r5, but it's impossible to reach r5 unless you have a lvl20 cooking exp reforge, because the r6>5 book isn't out yet.
  
  In the master chef update, they add the r6>5 book so r5 is much more easily accessible, but the r5>4 book doesn't exist so unless you have a lvl 20 coking exp reforge, you're stuck on r5. And there is no requirements at all for r4.
  
  That is assuming, if you get 100% training, you can rank it. Some skills like Mana Sheild cannot be ranked past cap even with enough skill training. Also, the r5 new cooking method is steaming, no r4~1 methods yet because they're not supposed to exist yet.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-09-09 21:19
  Well if you checked the pack files and didn't see any training requirements for r4 in the KR Live client then I'll take your word for it. Looking at the NA files will not give you the right answer though.
  
  So if you could please check the KR live files instead of relying on just the NA ones that would be appreciated. I don't know how to check the files, and ranking cooking is a pain in the ass for a new character.
  
  EDIT: Psy checked for me, there isn't any r4,r3,r2 requirements. The r1 requirements we concluded were there for silly Shakespeare and his hax r1 skills.
  
  So ya, capping is unfortunately stuck at r5 until devcat can figure out what other ways they can cook a meal.
• Health wrote on 2013-09-10 02:40
  Yeahhh. Life skills need to be made more relevant. You could fill a brand new thread with life skill expansion ideas.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-10 02:48

  Quote from Health;1146231:

  Yeahhh. Life skills need to be made more relevant. You could fill a brand new thread with life skill expansion ideas.

  
  
  As long as Gachapon are around, I don't think life skills can be much more relevant, unfortunately. Anything that is made by production skills can be picked up from gacha, which leaves stats and gathering skills as the reasons why people would train talents.
  
  See, I could propose an idea for say, modifying armor in additional ways with high rank life skills that couldn't be traded, but depersonalization pots and gacha would ruin that. ;_;