>but but it's both sides fault because muh false equivalence
That didn't change, I applaud Democrats for making the move toward compromise but that doesn't change they were at fault when this all started.
wait who were? the republicans were the ones throwing a fit because a law governed by all three parts of the government to be constitutional were going into effect and they were just angry they weren't getting their way.
Both parties were at fault because if only one of them is wrong, we'd still have a functioning US government. At the very least Democrats refuse to compromise also contributed to the shutdown.
However I do applaud Democrats for wanting to fix this after the shutdown, it was a step in the right direction. And in my eyes fixing mistakes is more admirable than not making them, because the courage involved.
Uh.. no? The house is controlled by the Republicans, who refuse to pass anything that doesn't mess with Obamacare in some way. The Democrats in the house couldn't really do anything to fight it even if they wanted to.
They shouldn't fight at all. Agreement is something you work at by compromising, it's not tell people what to do. If Democrats fights republics on the issue instead of trying to compromise they are doing it wrong already.
So you'd be okay if the Democrats just up and shut down the country until complete pro-choice, pro-single-sex-marriage, and military defunding legislation was passed?
Not at all. I feel you guys are misunderstanding me. I don't want Republicans to "win", there is no winning. And I don't really care who is "right" because when someone force your hands, being right means exactly diddly squad. I know in a real conflict negotiation, you can't win them all. What you do is give them something they want and get something you want out of it.
Imagine it like this if you will. You are in a car dealership buying cars. Do dealers usually just bargain the price with you over and over, or does he say "Ok, I will throw in this and that in the car's feature, do we get a deal?" A stereo or tires may not worth as much as the price he's asking for, but maybe it's something the customer wants. Do you see what I am saying? I am on nobody's side, I just want the shutdown to resolve, and blaming one side is not going to help.
Not at all. I feel you guys are misunderstanding me. I don't want Republicans to "win", there is no winning. And I don't really care who is "right" because when someone force your hands, being right means exactly diddly squad. I know in a real conflict negotiation, you can't win them all. What you do is give them something they want and get something you want out of it.
Imagine it like this if you will. You are in a car dealership buying cars. Do dealers usually just bargain the price with you over and over, or does he say "Ok, I will throw in this and that in the car's feature, do we get a deal?" A stereo or tires may not worth as much as the price he's asking for, but maybe it's something the customer wants. Do you see what I am saying? I am on nobody's side, I just want the shutdown to resolve, and blaming one side is not going to help.
Why do they have to bargain with something that already passed? What's next, people gotta bargain for their rights because another group doesn't want to give it to them? We are not talking about hypothetical cars, but actual human lives. If you give them something for pulling this kind of crap then it will turn into an endless cycle. So many people are having a hard time living because another group of people didn't get their way. No matter how you try to spin it, the republicans didn't have to shutdown the government and screw over thousands of people.