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Krystalys wrote on 2013-11-18 12:08
Quote from Yai;1170980:
Without database access there is little else I can do.
Hell you could've scraped the "
members" list for the info in under 5 minutes.
Quote from Yai;1170980:
I would appreciate it if you did not spend every waking moment acting like we don't know how to do our job.
On general principle I'd appreciate it if you (and by "you" I mean the vast majority of humanity, frankly) did more to demonstrate you did, although I'd also like to see where exactly you're referring to and who constitutes "we" in this context.
You volunteered to run this, you need to learn to deal with other people criticizing how you chose to do it, because I am clearly not the only one who has opinions on this site and if every last one of them that indicates you're less than perfect in some way injures you it's going to be needlessly unpleasant for you.
Show some geek pride; Make this the best it can be, accept critique graciously whether you implement anything from it or not and learn from the experience.
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Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2013-11-18 15:08
Quote from Yai;1170980:
Invalid votes will not be considered.
Sorry for side-tracking here, but what is this? What's considered an invalid vote? Am I at the risk that my votes weren't accepted?
(Kinda like a FAQ, just in case someone else gets worried)
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-11-18 15:25
Kryst can you kindly back the fudge off of Yai. We are doing everything we can to make this procedure as painless as possible while preventing people from cheating the system.
We cannot reveal everything we are doing to prevent abuse but rest assured that most cases has been taken care of. Why don't you mind your own business and focus on those unpublished Nexon News that you are oh so fond of.
We're doing our best to keep it, and I would ask that if you have any questions, please private message me. I would not like to divulge security methods within this thread against prying eyes.
Thank you!
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Krystalys wrote on 2013-11-18 15:46
Quote from Kingofrunes;1171005:
Kryst can you kindly back the fudge off of Yai.
Much like yourself, Yai freaked on
me, not the other way around.
Quote from Kingofrunes;1171005:
Why don't you mind your own business
Am I not a member? Is this event somehow not for me too? What exactly about wanting to improve it is "not my business"?
Quote from Kingofrunes;1171005:
We're doing our best to keep it, and I would ask that if you have any questions, please private message me.
I PM'd Kenero 4 days ago regarding abuse, thank you, that wasn't brought up here at all, merely making it more convenient by weeding out the debris in the user list, which is hardly a crazy or threatening suggestion.
I didn't hold anyone at gunpoint insisting it be done either, all I did is demonstrate ways it was achievable to excuses about why it wasn't done. If you'd like to discuss via PM what your issue is with me I'd be more than happy to.
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Ashikoki wrote on 2013-11-18 16:15
I would like to see this abuse prevention that is being mentioned. PM me about it.
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-11-18 16:25
Quote from Ashikoki;1171023:
I would like to see this abuse prevention that is being mentioned. PM me about it.
I'll discuss with Yai and Kenero to see how much we want to share to PM to you. We're hesitant on making that public due to people taking advantage of our fixes and going around them.
In return I humbly request that you do not share this info with anyone on the staff or the community until after the awards to ensure everything goes smoothly.
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Genny wrote on 2013-11-18 17:33
Quote from Kingofrunes;1171005:
Kryst can you kindly back the fudge off of Yai. We are doing everything we can to make this procedure as painless as possible while preventing people from cheating the system.
We cannot reveal everything we are doing to prevent abuse but rest assured that most cases has been taken care of. Why don't you mind your own business and focus on those unpublished Nexon News that you are oh so fond of.
We're doing our best to keep it, and I would ask that if you have any questions, please private message me. I would not like to divulge security methods within this thread against prying eyes.
Thank you!
Ladies and gentlemen, personal attacks for giving criticism.
I hope this event isn't taken seriously.
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Murasaki wrote on 2013-11-18 18:13
King you could have worded that better.
Let's not give people excuses to start drama (from either side). If you feel like someone is really bothering you or someone else, tell us. People trying to handle it for themselves doesn't usually go over very well. If we think you're being too overly sensitive, we'll tell you, and from then on just try your best to use your self-control around that person.
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-11-18 18:49
Quote from Murasaki;1171058:
King you could have worded that better.
Let's not give people excuses to start drama (from either side). If you feel like someone is really bothering you or someone else, tell us. People trying to handle it for themselves doesn't usually go over very well. If we think you're being too overly sensitive, we'll tell you, and from then on just try your best to use your self-control around that person.
I realized that now. The problem is...I'll just PM you about it, it's complicated.
As for what I said before, I apologize for the way I worded it and we really do appreciate people bringing their concerns to the table. Kenero will handle saying anything further from now on.
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Kenero wrote on 2013-11-18 19:12
Hey guys,
Sorry for any frustrations we caused but we want to know that we really are thankful for the chance to hold the event and for any stress we caused, we apologize.
While the system is new, we really want people to have a fun time and that the end of the years award is a fun event. ^^
Please vote for your favorite candidates and can't wait for the results.
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Aubog007 wrote on 2013-11-18 19:55
Bullet points time!
Quote from Genny;1171052:
Ladies and gentlemen, personal attacks for giving criticism.
I hope this event isn't taken seriously.
It is, or is trying to, the effort put into this has been substantial.
Quote from Krystalys;1171012:
Much like yourself, Yai freaked on me, not the other way around.
Am I not a member? Is this event somehow not for me too? What exactly about wanting to improve it is "not my business"?
I PM'd Kenero 4 days ago regarding abuse, thank you, that wasn't brought up here at all, merely making it more convenient by weeding out the debris in the user list, which is hardly a crazy or threatening suggestion.
I didn't hold anyone at gunpoint insisting it be done either, all I did is demonstrate ways it was achievable to excuses about why it wasn't done. If you'd like to discuss via PM what your issue is with me I'd be more than happy to.
People are touchy because people are already calling it a failure before the votes are even tallied, kinda seems like a bummer to me that the people won't even let the project run to it's completion.
Quote from Krystalys;1170981:
Hell you could've scraped the "members" list for the info in under 5 minutes.
On general principle I'd appreciate it if you (and by "you" I mean the vast majority of humanity, frankly) did more to demonstrate you did, although I'd also like to see where exactly you're referring to and who constitutes "we" in this context.
You volunteered to run this, you need to learn to deal with other people criticizing how you chose to do it, because I am clearly not the only one who has opinions on this site and if every last one of them that indicates you're less than perfect in some way injures you it's going to be needlessly unpleasant for you.
Show some geek pride; Make this the best it can be, accept critique graciously whether you implement anything from it or not and learn from the experience.
Judging by this right here, i can possibly sense an underlying issue, since you hail from southperry, and i presume you know her past work. If not, the previous does not apply.
I think i got all the bases covered.
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Moppy wrote on 2013-11-19 00:09
Isn't there normally a nomination process? What stops some lame ass member who is never around to vote for himself in every category? Having a nomination process allows for picking a group of people that fit the category and then choosing the best of the best as the winner. It really trims the fat, y'know? Also, anyone can be a candidate for best staff member/best guide/etc? I know this stuff can be screened but I don't imagine it is insanely difficult to implement a couple of parameters from the database, right? I don't wanna sound like a dick but I don't think you guys put enough thought into this new voting system. All of these issues will lead to a lot of invalid votes.
Oh, by the way, I voted for myself in every category. PEACE!
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Kendoza wrote on 2013-11-19 01:57
Since not many is saying it enough, I'd like to say thank you to the group who are trying the nominations a different way this year. I also hope it all goes well and you iron out any problems that may come up.
Now back to lurking
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Kenero wrote on 2013-11-19 02:46
Quote from Kendoza;1171177:
Since not many is saying it enough, I'd like to say thank you to the group who are trying the nominations a different way this year. I also hope it all goes well and you iron out any problems that may come up.
Now back to lurking
Thanks! It means a lot. We'll work our very best. ^^
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Aubog007 wrote on 2013-11-19 03:33
Quote from Moppy;1171136:
Isn't there normally a nomination process? What stops some lame ass member who is never around to vote for himself in every category? Having a nomination process allows for picking a group of people that fit the category and then choosing the best of the best as the winner. It really trims the fat, y'know? Also, anyone can be a candidate for best staff member/best guide/etc? I know this stuff can be screened but I don't imagine it is insanely difficult to implement a couple of parameters from the database, right? I don't wanna sound like a dick but I don't think you guys put enough thought into this new voting system. All of these issues will lead to a lot of invalid votes.
Oh, by the way, I voted for myself in every category. PEACE!
So, you don't want to sound like a dick, yet you did something considered a dick move which you think is fine
I really cant understand why people have to go out of their way to attempt to cause trouble.
Seriously, so much for a good community when people can't even be honest.