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Proxied wrote on 2013-12-29 20:29
Quote from Ascard;1182794:
Archery: Misses at 100%
>_>
I feel like I'm the only archer who hasn't had this happen to them yet?? Sure I've missed at 99 and 95 but that's not 100
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k1nsoo wrote on 2013-12-29 20:43
I don't know why people still consider puppet/gunner as a low-tier talent. I agree the prerequisites are high (Koreans expect "gunners" to have at least 1400 str/int) but that doesn't mean those talents are not rewarding. I've been playing in KR server for 5yrs now, and this is my first time seeing a shift in trend from people maining in archer/lance to puppet/gunner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLBTQys43K8
This is my Korean friend recorded a 6min NPC run with puppet/gun (one on the right). I hope this can change some "negative" views on puppets/gunners.
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2013-12-29 20:49
Quote from k1nsoo;1182851:
I don't know why people still consider puppet/gunner as a low-tier talent. I agree the prerequisites are high (Koreans expect "gunners" to have at least 1400 str/int) but that doesn't mean those talents are not rewarding. I've been playing in KR server for 5yrs now, and this is my first time seeing a shift in trend from people maining in archer/lance to puppet/gunner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLBTQys43K8
This is my Korean friend recorded a 6min NPC run with puppet/gun (one on the right). I hope this can change some "negative" views on puppets/gunners.
Well, if you throw all those Crisis and Climatic Clash reforges onto your equipments, puppetry is really good.
Most talents goes from good to really good if you throw enough of the right reforges into it...
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Perfectio wrote on 2013-12-29 20:58
Range and magic are the strongest talents with reasonably attainable reforges. With absolutely perfect reforges range crushes everything (because ele 18 Bhafel Hunter is theoretically possible even though you'd need to spend 10k+ to get it)
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k1nsoo wrote on 2013-12-29 21:04
Quote from Perfectio;1182858:
Range and magic are the strongest talents with reasonably attainable reforges. With absolutely perfect reforges range crushes everything (because ele 18 Bhafel Hunter is theoretically possible even though you'd need to spend 10k+ to get it)
The max ele damage bonus you can get is capped at 99.9% (6/5 ele). This test was in MabinogiTimes few months ago.
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Syliara wrote on 2013-12-29 21:13
Quote from k1nsoo;1182861:
The max ele damage bonus you can get is capped at 99.9% (6/5 ele). This test was in MabinogiTimes few months ago.
That doesn't add up with the like 500k lance charge that was shown here a few months ago tho. No matter your gear and stats you would need higher than a 100% bonus damage increase to hit that high.
I wouldn't put puppetry into a 2nd tier, honestly its up there with range and such. And guns just dont have the damage potential that elemental reforges can supply which is why they aren't all that good.
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Kazusa Touma wrote on 2013-12-29 23:52
Quote from Perfectio;1182858:
Range and magic are the strongest talents with reasonably attainable reforges. With absolutely perfect reforges range crushes everything (because ele 18 Bhafel Hunter is theoretically possible even though you'd need to spend 10k+ to get it)
i think if you wanted an ele 18 you'd need to spend around $2,000,000 on average
not to mention, i dont think dual eles are even worth going for anymore...
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Syliara wrote on 2013-12-29 23:54
Quote from Kazusa Touma;1182945:
i think if you wanted an ele 18 you'd need to spend around $2,000,000 on average
not to mention, i dont think dual eles are even worth going for anymore...
Their worth it at r2 where elementals are alot more common. When I was reforging my bhafel I was literally hoping it wouldnt rank so I could get an ele 4/4
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Perfectio wrote on 2013-12-30 00:00
Puppetry is tier 2 because it has really weak single target DPS and it's AOE burst is outclassed by magic, but it's strong because Crisis > Climatic is super reliable and magic, ironically, needs crisis to function efficiently.
Range has weaker AOE but unmatched single target and it's AOE is essentially a better Fireball that comes out near instantly.
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Kazusa Touma wrote on 2013-12-30 00:01
Quote from Nui;1182948:
Their worth it at r2 where elementals are alot more common. When I was reforging my bhafel I was literally hoping it wouldnt rank so I could get an ele 4/4
I'd rather have ele 6, max dmg 20, effective range 20 or something
ele 4/4 seems excessive to me, where eles do work we already have enough damage as is
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k1nsoo wrote on 2013-12-30 00:07
Quote from Nui;1182866:
That doesn't add up with the like 500k lance charge that was shown here a few months ago tho. No matter your gear and stats you would need higher than a 100% bonus damage increase to hit that high.
I wouldn't put puppetry into a 2nd tier, honestly its up there with range and such. And guns just dont have the damage potential that elemental reforges can supply which is why they aren't all that good.
You mean these?
[SPOILER="Lance Charge"]
[Image: http://puu.sh/62Tk2]
[Image: http://puu.sh/62TlO]
[Image: http://puu.sh/62TmJ]
[/SPOILER]
This guy used
-ele6/lance charge20 dual lance
-lvl 20 lance charge dmg
-lvl 18 lance charge horse max distance
I was actually the one who was playing roar
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Syliara wrote on 2013-12-30 00:14
Quote from Kazusa Touma;1182953:
I'd rather have ele 6, max dmg 20, effective range 20 or something
ele 4/4 seems excessive to me, where eles do work we already have enough damage as is
That is rarer than a double elemental at r1 tho.
Max dmg 20 is just bolstering dmg as well, in situations where elementals dont work that max damage reforge wont really make much of a diff anyways. The effective range is fine, I can understand wanting to get ahold of it for quicker attacks but is there really alot of situations where its warranted as well? I mean personally I just go straight up to the mob and fire off my crash shot so effective range wouldnt change much. I'd rather have more damage than faster shooting speed.
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Kazusa Touma wrote on 2013-12-30 00:29
Quote from Nui;1182960:
That is rarer than a double elemental at r1 tho.
Max dmg 20 is just bolstering dmg as well, in situations where elementals dont work that max damage reforge wont really make much of a diff anyways. The effective range is fine, I can understand wanting to get ahold of it for quicker attacks but is there really alot of situations where its warranted as well? I mean personally I just go straight up to the mob and fire off my crash shot so effective range wouldnt change much. I'd rather have more damage than faster shooting speed.
Actually, i've noticed that i aim faster at point blank with my effective range bow, so yeah it makes a pretty big difference. Max dmg 20 is ideal but insignificant in the long run, i'm just saying that if i actually had to choose between ele 6, lvl 20 max and lvl 20 effective range, vs 3x ele 6 i'd go for the first one. I would definitely reroll a dual ele at rank 2 and go for r1 in order to get ele 6 + effective range reforge. Max dmg 20 in the 3rd spot would be nice but I'd be willing to settle for just ele 6 + effective range
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Syliara wrote on 2013-12-30 00:40
Quote from Kazusa Touma;1182968:
Actually, i've noticed that i aim faster at point blank with my effective range bow, so yeah it makes a pretty big difference. Max dmg 20 is ideal but insignificant in the long run, i'm just saying that if i actually had to choose between ele 6, lvl 20 max and lvl 20 effective range, vs 3x ele 6 i'd go for the first one. I would definitely reroll a dual ele at rank 2 and go for r1 in order to get ele 6 + effective range reforge. Max dmg 20 in the 3rd spot would be nice but I'd be willing to settle for just ele 6 + effective range
While you may aim faster at point blank, theres no point if ur already point blank. I'd rather have a 11.1% damage increase than being able to fire off a crash shot 1 second earlier, because that one second normally wont make a difference at all. There are situations where effective range can be nice to have, but in normal shadow mission content its really not something thats a big deal.
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cheese758 wrote on 2013-12-30 00:56
Quote from Perfectio;1182583:
Archery
+High DPS Only if you're an elf
+Excellent AOE Lol wut. Did you put this in the wrong section?
+Strongest [S]gear[/S] reforge options
+Safe when not missing When does that ever happen...
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-Weak early
-Requires life skill grind
-Unreliable due to misses
-Highly [S]gear[/S] reforgedependent
-Weakened by heavy armor
Range still sux.
Should add:
+Access to Bhafel Hunter and Huntress (which make range suck a little less but good luck getting one =,=)