The skillsets are more balanced than they've ever been in Mabi.

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ironwoman wrote on 2013-12-30 06:24

Quote from cheese758;1183087:
Warrior without reforges to archer without reforges.

Its mathematically impossible to do a 30k magnum without reforges even with 1500 dex, the best non reforged equips in the game, and capped overture. I won't even ask for a screen shot because I know that's a lie. Crash shot initial without frag number reforge or range reforge isn't that great in most situations. With a 5 second cooldown, it's lagging behind the basic melee skills. Cooldowns aside, lance charge out classes it.

Warriors with equal stats (assuming neither party has reforges) will always hit more in elites and lords with lances because enemy prot murders damage from anything without piercing. Strip off all those trinkets, walk into caverns with an end game warrior and compare your damage.

I showed an example of a person who could do 10k normal mags without reforges in another thread.
Even without piercing, range will have higher DPS.

Here it is. Granted, this person is using bhafel, but even removing the reforges, this turns out this person still would do 10k normal mags.
Syliara wrote on 2013-12-30 06:39

Quote from cheese758;1183087:
Warrior without reforges to archer without reforges.

Its mathematically impossible to do a 30k magnum without reforges even with 1500 dex, the best non reforged equips in the game, and capped overture. I won't even ask for a screen shot because I know that's a lie. Crash shot initial without frag number reforge or range reforge isn't that great in most situations. With a 5 second cooldown, it's lagging behind the basic melee skills. Cooldowns aside, lance charge out classes it.

Warriors with equal stats (assuming neither party has reforges) will always hit more in elites and lords with lances because enemy prot murders damage from anything without piercing. Strip off all those trinkets, walk into caverns with an end game warrior and compare your damage.

By reforge I was talking about the magnum reforge on gloves. I can easily break 33k crit mags in npc without that reforge.

Range and melee without reforges are about on par. Even with lance, the elemental makes up a huge difference in damage. I dont have numbers to prove either one at this point in time so honestly I will leave this point up for grabs.

Lance charge requires set up, and its aoe is minimal (meaning its distance radius). Trying to compare crash shot with lance charge is like trying to compare an aoe skill to a single target skill because lance charge was never meant to be strong with aoe dmg as much as its meant to deal heavy single target dmg.

I'm going to just stop with the whole reforge comparison at this point. Simply put, reforges are a part of the game so trying to compare skillsets without reforges doesn't even work at this point. Were not trying to look at current damage of a skill set as much as its potential damage, which reforges have to be accounted for at this point. With this in mind, honestly your argument is invalid since range with reforges (i.e. with its potential) is incredibly strong and saying it isnt is an outright lie.

By the way, in caverns I can out dps almost any warrior not taking into account my reforges.
ï¼£ï¼©ï¼²ï¼®ï¼¯ wrote on 2013-12-30 19:05

Quote from wildk;1182781:
As I see it the game's pretty good atm but I get what you mean too. One way to do what you mentioned would be to remove potions and clouds once in for all, or at least limit the locations of which they can be used.

Buff healing.
Ascard wrote on 2013-12-30 19:24

Can someone explain

Why bhafel hunter is good? And is it better than an ego?
EndlessDreams wrote on 2013-12-30 19:26

Quote from Ascard;1183201:
Can someone explain

Why bhafel hunter is good? And is it better than an ego?

Because it has piercing, and combined with the special arrows, you get another 15% damage or something.
It is a pretty strong bow.

Anything R special upgrade is at least equal, if not better, than Egos nowadays.

Quote from ï¼£ï¼©ï¼²ï¼®ï¼¯;1183200:
Buff healing.

Summon Cloud is ultimate healing spell. No mana, no stamina penalty, and heals your mana/stamina as well while sleeping most monsters.
Tropa wrote on 2013-12-30 20:28

Quote from EndlessDreams;1183202:
Summon Cloud is ultimate healing spell. No mana, no stamina penalty, and heals your mana/stamina as well while sleeping most monsters.

And lets not forget:

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/9/9d/Study-_Potion_Lore.png]
Syliara wrote on 2013-12-30 21:15

Quote from Ascard;1183201:
Can someone explain

Why bhafel hunter is good? And is it better than an ego?

After upgrades level 2 piercing, combined with huntress it gains unlimited ammo, 15% final damage, and 30 maximum damage.
ï¼£ï¼©ï¼²ï¼®ï¼¯ wrote on 2013-12-30 21:32

Quote from EndlessDreams;1183202:
Because it has piercing, and combined with the special arrows, you get another 15% damage or something.
It is a pretty strong bow.

Anything R special upgrade is at least equal, if not better, than Egos nowadays.

Summon Cloud is ultimate healing spell. No mana, no stamina penalty, and heals your mana/stamina as well while sleeping most monsters.

I hate you

;_;
EndlessDreams wrote on 2013-12-30 22:25

Quote from Tropa;1183221:
And lets not forget:

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/9/9d/Study-_Potion_Lore.png]

But that still puts you into pot poison, and doesn't provide as much effects as Cloud spam.

Of course, it is more useful than Cloud in Field Bosses, but not every server has active groups for Field Bosses. :cry:
Tropa wrote on 2013-12-30 22:37

Quote from EndlessDreams;1183254:
But that still puts you into pot poison, and doesn't provide as much effects as Cloud spam.

Of course, it is more useful than Cloud in Field Bosses, but not every server has active groups for Field Bosses. :cry:

I don't like using AoE pets during combat honestly, so I just use potions whenever I need to, and I don't even use them cause I barely take damage + Life drain.

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