[Mabinogi KR] Welcome to Doki Doki Island Event

• Justified wrote on 2014-01-18 17:40

  Quote from Yoorah;1189134:

  He didn't say it's a good thing.
  It's just better than the other option.

  
  
  Not necessarily a better* thing
  
  More equitable bad is worse than scarce bad
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-01-18 18:10
  That's a very narrow way to look at it, completely missing the part about how it's more feasible to engineer balance against equitable "bad," compared to "scarce bad."
  
  You sound like a NX spender who doesn't like losing any edge gained from the poor decision of spending NX on this game. o/
• Osu wrote on 2014-01-18 18:51
  Rofl such bad timing for me.. a couple's themed area/event. I just may quit when this comes.
  

  Quote from Yoorah;1189151:

  That's a very narrow way to look at it, completely missing the part about how it's more feasible to engineer balance against equitable "bad," compared to "scarce bad."

  
  I'm going to rep you just for knowing that periods and commas go inside quotations. Very nice job.
• Krystalys wrote on 2014-01-18 18:57

  Quote from Justified;1189138:

  
  More equitable bad is worse than scarce bad

  
  
  Privileged imbalance is more imbalanced than equally distributed imbalance, because an equally distributed imbalance is balanced :skip:
• Justified wrote on 2014-01-18 20:09

  Quote from Yoorah;1189151:

  You sound like a NX spender who doesn't like losing any edge gained from the poor decision of spending NX on this game. o/

  
  
  You sound like an snob/elitist who thinks people only dislike things that don't favor them.
  I stopped buying NX over 2 years ago, which was mostly just Inv+, so you're extremely far off.
  
  

  Quote from Krystalys;1189161:

  Privileged imbalance is more imbalanced than equally distributed imbalance, because an equally distributed imbalance is balanced :skip:

  
  
  I don't care about population balance as much as mechanical balance.
• Krystalys wrote on 2014-01-18 20:13

  Quote from Justified;1189175:

  I don't care about population balance as much as mechanical balance.

  
  
  Then the burden is on you to demonstrate how this creates an imbalance if you claim it does.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-01-18 20:21

  Quote from Krystalys;1189178:

  Then the burden is on you to demonstrate how this creates an imbalance if you claim it does.

  
  
  I'm very interested on the imbalance this supposedly creates. Especially as it doesn't stack with similar items from the Halloween event.
  
  At most you're looking at a measly 5 damage gain compared to the scarecrow, is that really such a big deal?
• Krystalys wrote on 2014-01-18 20:31

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1189179:

  At most you're looking at a measly 5 damage gain compared to the scarecrow, is that really such a big deal?

  
  
  That's my question on the subject too.
• Justified wrote on 2014-01-18 20:47

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1189179:

  I'm very interested on the imbalance this supposedly creates.

  
  

  Quote from Krystalys;1189185:

  That's my question on the subject too.

  
  
  You both should pay more attention to context before bashing.
  
  

  Quote from Aubog007;1189094:

  power creep via events, go to hell.

  
  

  Quote from Krystalys;1189099:

  Better than power creep via NX.

  
  
  I didn't explicitly refer to the totem in any way. Though every bit of creep adds up even if it's small.
  
  

  Quote from Wikipedia:

  Power creep is the gradual unbalancing of a game due to successive releases of new content. The phenomenon may be caused by a number of different factors and, in extreme cases, can be damaging to the longevity of the game in which it takes place.
  As new expansions or updates are released, new game mechanics or effects are introduced, making it increasingly difficult for older content to remain in balance without changes. Usually, this means new content releases grow successively more powerful while older content becomes regressively outdated or relatively underpowered.

  
  
  And DevCAT/Mabi has the problem of new content still being outclassed resulting in there always being nothing to do except train skills. The means and the ends have swapped places, which is incredibly bizarre.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-01-18 20:50
  Just for the record, I wasn't bashing. I was merely asking a question as I didn't understand what you were having issue with. Thought perhaps you missed what I had mentioned earlier, don't need to be so uptight about it.
  
  Just relax and enjoy the game.
• Krystalys wrote on 2014-01-18 20:55

  Quote from Justified;1189189:

  You both should pay more attention to context before bashing.

  
  
  Asking you explain your claims is not bashing.
  Also, that definition is flawed. In order for power creep to be an imbalance it would've had to be balanced to begin. Power creep can actually fix the balance of a game if it's going in the opposite direction from the current imbalance. In this case, these totems add virtually nothing that could even be considered a power creep though. That theoretical +5 isn't even the tip of an ice berg compared to the other content that already exists.
  If you weren't referring to the totems you've yet to explain what you do consider the power creep this event is introducing. Wouldn't be much easier at this point to have simply explained yourself than to have argued the semantics to try to prove the claim we're not even clear on in the first place was in fact right?
• Justified wrote on 2014-01-18 21:00

  Quote from Krystalys;1189192:

  Asking you explain your claims is not bashing.
  Also, that definition is flawed. In order for power creep to be an imbalance it would've had to be balanced to begin with.

  
  
  Then the burden is on you to demonstrate why there was never any balance.
• Krystalys wrote on 2014-01-18 21:01

  Quote from Justified;1189193:

  Then the burden is on you to demonstrate why there was never any balance.

  
  
  Then the burden is on you to define the scope of what constitutes balance. We could do this forever.
  Also, I didn't claim there was or was not balance present. I stated that the definition was not applicable to all situations.
  For that matter, the burden would still be on you, because you were the one claiming it was being changed, so for that to be true you'd have to demonstrate how it was more balanced before than it is after. How/what was the tipping point that created "further" imbalance? I don't have to prove the status quo exists; you're the one claiming it was being shifted.
• Justified wrote on 2014-01-18 21:09

  Quote from Krystalys;1189194:

  Then the burden is on you to define the scope of what constitutes balance. We could do this forever.

  
  
  We could.
  

  Quote from Wikipedia:

  In game design, balance is the concept and the practice of tuning a game's rules, usually with the goal of preventing any of its component systems from being ineffective or otherwise undesirable when compared to their peers.

  
  But now it's defined.
  
  

  Quote from Krystalys;1189194:

  Also, I didn't claim there was or was not balance present. I stated that the definition was not applicable to all situations.

  
  
  I don't care if it's not universally applicable. The question is whether or not it is applicable here.
  And technically it is applicable, in an imbalanced system a power creep would just create further imbalance. Not everything has to be black and white.
  
  In response to your edit :
  

  Quote from Krystalys:

  If you weren't referring to the totems you've yet to explain what you do consider the power creep this event is introducing.

  
  
  Jumping to conclusions again? I already spelled it out that I'm referring to power creep in general, and that every bit of a creep still contributes to the grand scheme. Not once did I refer to totems, events, or anything else. That was the whole point of the post your replied to?
• Krystalys wrote on 2014-01-18 21:15

  Quote from Justified;1189197:

  
  But now it's defined.
  

  
  That defines the theory. Apply it to the current situation and demonstrate your claimed imbalance. It should be easy enough to express in basic math. Did something in this event increase the ratio between PvE or PvP to a significantly measurable degree somewhere?
  
  

  Quote from Justified;1189197:

  
  And technically it is applicable, in an imbalanced system a power creep would just create further imbalance. Not everything has to be black and white.

  
  
  Wrong.
  If the PvE ratio of a game is 1:6 in terms of mobs vs players strengths and scope creep ups that to 1:3 it's created less imbalance, not more.
  Black and white it isn't. Basic math it is.