[Mabinogi-JP] Regeneration Update / Ninjas

• Ryufujibayashi wrote on 2014-04-19 01:27

  Quote from Slayerj;1215831:

  Oh joy, race talk. I wouldn't mind it so much if everyone could stomp everything into the ground with their 'weakest' skill sets. They haven't really done much race wise in a while and I hope/doubt they'll do it again in the future unless they plan on releasing 2 skill sets at once or something. When the races came out they already have a number of skill sets to go 'yes' and 'no' to.
  
  Warrior: Giant+, Human, Elf -
  Range: Elf+, Human, Giant--
  Magic: Elf/Human(sorta), Giant-
  
  They had room to throw on new things. Lance to move in for giant++ with elves not getting it to balance that out. Fighter was 'less' for elves but everyone had nearly the same amount of will so it didn't make a MASSIVE difference (Just like with giant magic). Then everyone got a buff so nothing really mattered anymore race to skill set wise UNLESS you didn't have any skills for it. Then they threw in puppet, then gunner. Both which were dual stat and okay with everyone. To just suddenly go "NEW SKILLSET BEST FOR BLAHBLAH!" would...be really dumb. lol
  
  Also, we can just cut out the whole "It's gona be luck!" Even though we can't tell for sure...why? Why make a skill set based around the LUCK stat...something that does nothing but crit and arrow(and other stuff) dodge %? If it gave any stats to luck, it'd make luck supper OP for crit (which is apparently easy to get anyway) If it gave too little then it'd wind up like gunner, heavily relying off of other skills for stats, making it a bit unfriendly to new players. (Not to say that gunner is god awful to start up with or anything.) As all the major luck giving skills are typically heavy in the AP department.
  
  It would be a great move on their part to put it as will+ something as will is so far the only stat for a skill set to not help something else from another skill set (besides a bit of crit and defensive stuff) But we can't know for sure. I really wish we had more info. T,T Though seeing that we do know from what little data we did get before it was taken out (which can all be changed), we do know for the moment that there is an attack range for the mastery. So it might function as a mid range and close up melee weapon skill set that allows for regular mid distance attacks, close up melee attack skills (like smash) while still allowing for upfront melee hits if the target is close enough ('Cus if it follows the same rules as lances with a mini range, fuck ever touching it with my net </3)
  
  Wow, I rambled for a while there. *posts*

  
  
  I agree with your post. But it was already explained in great detail in a earlier post as to why luck based stat would be acceptable and not game breaking somehow. I do think the whole "this race should be better at this skill set" is getting really out of hand and pretty dumb. I feel bad that I sometimes fall into the trap of that mentality but it's people like you who bring me back to reality. Thank you
• Homucifer wrote on 2014-04-19 03:36

  Quote from Ryufujibayashi;1215855:

  My point is that being able to run faster than another race shouldn't be a determining factor in who should be a better ninja... otherwise I could say humans can duel wield swords so they make better ninja or something that matches the stigma of ninja. there are qualities that humans have that better reflect ninja that elves don't have and vice versa. You're arguing that it's only fair that elves get the best advantage with this skill set simply because you feel they have an advantage elsewhere . I don't agree with ideas like that. I don't like the idea that someone should have the short end of the stick because it's happened to another person in the past. I don't want anyone to have the short end of the stick period. I'm not arguing about. I'm saying on the basis of ninja stereotypes I feel that humans and elves should be equal in the skill set, and giants have access to it just not be as good. I'd rather elves and humans be equal rather than either one of them being better. But people keep arguing with me with their feelings and opinions as to why elves should be "master race ninja class." (rolls eyes) which makes me feel like they just want it out of some notion of revenge or to stick it to the other races. If you're trying to change how I feel about the whole thing it's not going t work, it's just our feelings. I can't change that you feel or want elves to be better, but no one can change that I prefer adamantly that they humans and elves be equal for this particular set of skills.

  
  
  Ugh... No one is trying to change your opinion and i'm entitled to my own. My opinion is that elves should benefit the most in this because of what i said before if you were paying attention. You may want humans to be equal to elves because you probably play a human or actually want everything to be balanced. It doesn't matter if you don't want anyone to have the short end or not because in mabi we know that some race always will have it. Also most people don't want it out of "revenge" and just want their race to have 1 thing they absolutely excel in like the other races lol.
• Ryufujibayashi wrote on 2014-04-19 04:24

  Quote from Homucifer;1215897:

  Ugh... No one is trying to change your opinion and i'm entitled to my own. My opinion is that elves should benefit the most in this because of what i said before if you were paying attention. You may want humans to be equal to elves because you probably play a human or actually want everything to be balanced. It doesn't matter if you don't want anyone to have the short end or not because in mabi we know that some race always will have it. Also most people don't want it out of "revenge" and just want their race to have 1 thing they absolutely excel in like the other races lol.

  
  
  I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion, I'm saying no one is going to be changing anyone's mind so discussing any further is fruitless. I play a Hatsune Miku elf and a human. all this wanting a race to have a skill set that they excel over others is absurd.
• Tropa wrote on 2014-04-19 04:38
  ..Who cares about race? we're all gonna see narugiants and naruelves one way or another.
• Pyoori wrote on 2014-04-19 04:47
  What you think should fit thematically with the game and "stereotypes" doesn't matter at all. We have guns and scooters in a olden Celtic world; I think giants can handle throwing a couple of knives around.
• Zeo wrote on 2014-04-19 04:54

  Quote from Pyoori;1215921:

  What you think should fit thematically with the game and "stereotypes" doesn't matter at all. We have guns and scooters in a olden Celtic world; I think giants can handle throwing a couple of knives around.

  
  
  Yeah, giants should be able to use ninja skills, but I still want to see the Ninja skills be based off on Dex and Int (or Dex and Luck), that way elves can have the advantage with this over humans and giants, since humans got Puppetry, and giants got Gunslinger and Fighter.
  
  Even if elves doesn't get the advantage over other two races with Ninja skills. I'll still be happy that elves are still able to use the ninja skills at all.
  
  Going to leave it here for now and won't say anymore.
  
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  Here is some information on each skill as updated on MabiData.
  
  

  Quote from Soluna:

  Mastery will increase attack range.
  Zan will increase attack range.
  Yamiuchi is an attack deal dmg with increased speed btw Yuri.
  Sakura will take 15sec to full charge.
  Oboro reduce 20 Def.
  Binding up to 6 target for 11 sec.
  Etc...

• pkMaster wrote on 2014-04-19 05:36
  I must say, I wasn't quite expecting to be excited for a ninja skill set in mabi (and no, it's not because of the "narutards") but I'm actually kinda excited for this. Those ninja outfits look pretty dang slick too XD
• Howhurl wrote on 2014-04-19 06:36
  Hmm. Make it luck and will based, we don't need anymore op skillsets. maybe 4 combined will/luck give 1 max, 5 give 1 min, and no elementals of course.
• Twin wrote on 2014-04-19 09:32
  Dunno if anyone noticed this but..
  
  

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• Homucifer wrote on 2014-04-19 19:15

  Quote from Ryufujibayashi;1215913:

  I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion, I'm saying no one is going to be changing anyone's mind so discussing any further is fruitless. I play a Hatsune Miku elf and a human. all this wanting a race to have a skill set that they excel over others is absurd.

  
  
  Pretty sure i said no one is trying to change anyone's mind which you keep mentioning and i don't care what you think is absurd. i am done with and i will stick to my own opinion.
• Homucifer wrote on 2014-04-19 19:18

  Quote from Pyoori;1215921:

  What you think should fit thematically with the game and "stereotypes" doesn't matter at all. We have guns and scooters in a olden Celtic world; I think giants can handle throwing a couple of knives around.

  
  
  I don't think anyone mentioned ninja's not fitting because like you said we have guns, scooters and other stuff in mabi. Then again people tend to forget that mabi is loosely based on celtic lore so the dev can add whatever they want to it. I also think elves can handle a lance and giants a bow but no it doesn't matter.
• Ryufujibayashi wrote on 2014-04-19 21:39

  Quote from Homucifer;1216005:

  Pretty sure i said no one is trying to change anyone's mind which you keep mentioning and i don't care what you think is absurd. i am done with and i will stick to my own opinion.

  
  
  If you didn't want to change my mind then why did you reply to me? If you don't care if I think it's absurd why did you reply to me? Originally I was debating to hopefully change someone's mind, not specifically you. But after a few posts from you, it was obvious nothing anyone could say would change your mind. I said no one was changing anyone's mind regarding the two of us, because . If you weren't trying to change anyone's mind why would you keep replying to me?
• Homucifer wrote on 2014-04-19 22:02

  Quote from Ryufujibayashi;1216027:

  If you didn't want to change my mind then why did you reply to me? If you don't care if I think it's absurd why did you reply to me? Originally I was debating to hopefully change someone's mind, not specifically you. But after a few posts from you, it was obvious nothing anyone could say would change your mind. I said no one was changing anyone's mind regarding the two of us, because . If you weren't trying to change anyone's mind why would you keep replying to me?

  
  
  Well i'm replying to you because we have posts that are directed towards each other since we started conversating. So how does me replying to you equate to trying to change your mind? Read my posts carefully next time as i said before i am not trying to change your opinion and i'm not attacking yours the way you are mine by calling it absurd. End of conversation.
• Ryufujibayashi wrote on 2014-04-19 22:30

  Quote from Homucifer;1216031:

  Well i'm replying to you because we have posts that are directed towards each other since we started conversating. So how does me replying to you equate to trying to change your mind? Read my posts carefully next time as i said before i am not trying to change your opinion and i'm not attacking yours the way you are mine by calling it absurd. End of conversation.

  
  
  The fact that you've been debating with me means you're trying to change my mind, that's the objective when it comes to debates, that's how it equates, whether you're willing to see that or not, you've been debating me this whole time. If you're finished with all of this and it's the "End of Conversation" in your eyes... then you shouldn't reply.
• Homucifer wrote on 2014-04-19 22:49

  Quote from Ryufujibayashi;1216037:

  The fact that you've been debating with me means you're trying to change my mind, that's the objective when it comes to debates, that's how it equates, whether you're willing to see that or not, you've been debating me this whole time. If you're finished with all of this and it's the "End of Conversation" in your eyes... then you shouldn't reply.

  
  
  Shush.
  
  and does anyone know if jp client have any other info like weapon stats or other interesting things? The trailer video was a bit underwhelming sort of.