[Mabinogi-JP] Regeneration Update / Ninjas

• Twin wrote on 2014-04-14 21:49
  I was expecting Ninja to have fluent combat like this
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mjeAN4pNc skip to 0:19
  
  Of course that needs balancing
• Aushria wrote on 2014-04-14 22:04

  Quote from ╔╦╗╒╕║╒╕;1214943:

  I've played an elf as an archer, would much rather be an elf than a human for archery.

  
  
  I just want a skillset that my race is proficient in, I don't even care if the difference is .20% above other races. Disparity in classes is just bad balancing, especially when RNG still plays into archery; Missing at 100% FML. That aside though, I'm not an archer anymore, and I probably never will pursue it lest I need the Dex.
  
  I have much more fun as an Elven Mage/Gunner hybrid that I do with RNG The Skillset. lol
  
  I am really interested in Ninja either way, since I have a silly obsession with skills like these. I'll rebirth into it one way or another down the line, that's for certain.
• truefire wrote on 2014-04-14 22:05

  Quote from Mentosftw;1214956:

  Shoulda called the update Shinobinogi.

  
  
  Why not Mashinobi?
• Slayerj wrote on 2014-04-14 22:36

  Quote from Aushria;1214962:

  I just want a skillset that my race is proficient in, I don't even care if the difference is .20% above other races. Disparity in classes is just bad balancing, especially when RNG still plays into archery; Missing at 100% FML. That aside though, I'm not an archer anymore, and I probably never will pursue it lest I need the Dex.
  
  I have much more fun as an Elven Mage/Gunner hybrid that I do with RNG The Skillset. lol
  
  I am really interested in Ninja either way, since I have a silly obsession with skills like these. I'll rebirth into it one way or another down the line, that's for certain.

  
  
  I thought we already went over this last year or something. People miss at 100% because that's client side %, the server is still working on your %. So while it might say 100% *flashy effect* on your side, server it could be 95-99% still.
  
  I hope the ninja skills are as fun as they look. Gunner skills looked fun to me at first, and then I ended up screaming "TURN THE OTHER FUCKING WAY!" 99% of the time until I figured out how GOD AWFUL the skill sets displacement was.
  
  
  Oh and to the person way earlier in the thread that said something about a screen shot of hitting 1s on a ghost being disappointing...it's testing..and it's a ghost..and most likely a new character or something. (Then again the puppet tests had like..2k-20k dmg on it or something if my memory is correct, and it most likely isn't lol.)
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2014-04-14 23:51

  Quote from Tropa;1214781:

  Don't mind me, I'll just be sitting here waiting for Cannoneers to come out.

  
  
  did someone say cannoneer?
  
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/890Fd.png]

  
  
  :tea:
• Tropa wrote on 2014-04-15 00:03

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1214992:

  did someone say cannoneer?
  
  [SPOILER="."]

  [Image: http://puu.sh/890Fd.png]

  [/SPOILER]
  
  :tea:

  
  
  I would love for mabinogi to have a cannoneer class that uses the same stuff as gunslinger(engineer'd cannons, mana bullets or mana cannon balls)
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-04-15 01:54
  For the curious, there's a bit more info and pictures in the Mabidata thread. A few things aren't 100% certain--it's all based on info a friend and I could gather and analyze from JP sources. :c We should get more official info pretty soon, though.
  
  ps. I think the whole giant/elf/human debate is kind of retarded. Just hope the skillset is fun, train it and enjoy! Apparently it's geared towards beginners, though I'm not sure what Nexon meant by that. I hope it's fun to use, like Fighter.
• Tropa wrote on 2014-04-15 02:52

  Quote from Yoorah;1215011:

  For the curious, there's a bit more info and pictures in the Mabidata thread. A few things aren't 100% certain--it's all based on info a friend and I could gather and analyze from JP sources. :c We should get more official info pretty soon, though.
  
  ps. I think the whole giant/elf/human debate is kind of retarded. Just hope the skillset is fun, train it and enjoy! Apparently it's geared towards beginners, though I'm not sure what Nexon meant by that. I hope it's fun to use, like Fighter.

  
  
  Thank for the data collecting, I'll keep an eye on that thread.
  
  
  And the race debate is retarded, this is just a game. Who honestly cares about a few extra points in damage? From what I'm seeing, everyone will still be able to hit hard enough to clear content in the end.
• Zeo wrote on 2014-04-15 03:31
  I don't exactly see race debate as "retarded" as long as it will get DevCat to try and make races more equal. It's starting to get annoying how people is starting to label things as "retarded" just because they don't agree with it.
  
  Like Kapra said, elves have disadvantage over almost everything except for Hide and faster speed movement, but even so, those two doesn't exactly matter much because no one like to be more flexible and have more utility. It doesn't exactly make up for their disadvantages.
  
  Still hoping this will end up being a Dex/Int based skillset.
• Jyu Viole Grace wrote on 2014-04-15 07:06
  I find it really funny how people are angry about racial disadvantages, all the while no one complains that literally everything in this game is unbalanced, probably even more so over a couple points of damage from one race to another. If you truly wish for a balanced game, I would start with other more important things such as reforges, the bard class, pets, puppeteer and having actual cool downs, and stamina/mana costs AND then racial balance.
  
  Moral of the story is, don't complain about unbalanced game if you're currently using any of the things mentioned above.
• Syliara wrote on 2014-04-15 07:15

  Quote from Jyu Viole Grace;1215057:

  I find it really funny how people are angry about racial disadvantages, all the while no one complains that literally everything in this game is unbalanced, probably even more so over a couple points of damage from one race to another. If you truly wish for a balanced game, I would start with other more important things such as reforges, the bard class, pets, puppeteer and having actual cool downs, and stamina/mana costs AND then racial balance.
  
  Moral of the story is, don't complain about unbalanced game if you're currently using any of the things mentioned above.

  
  
  All of those imbalances have already been discussed time and time again in other threads. This thread isnt meant to even really touch on imbalances at all, however the topic of races was brought up due to the possibility that elves would gain the upper hand with this skillset. Nobody discounts those imbalances as things that dont need fixing, its just not part of the topic at hand.
  
  I use reforges, pets, bard, and puppets but I can still complain about the fact that they are unbalanced too. Just because u use something thats more efficient doesnt mean that you wouldnt like for them to be removed entirely. Thats like saying the only people who can complain about imbalances is the people who dont sully their hands with those things, even though basically everyone has the same mindset that they should be messed with for more balance. Just because you use them doesnt mean that you cant complain about how unbalanced they are, it just means that you adapted and took advantage of the opportunities that were given to you.
  
  This is getting off topic now though.
  
  OT: would love to see a video of these in use to get a better understanding of how they work :C
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-04-15 07:18
  If you guys really want to argue about how you think Elves are underpowered then you should probably make a separate thread for it. Of course a little chatter here and there is inevitable, but I don't see any reason why we need to derail countless threads.
• Mentosftw wrote on 2014-04-15 07:39

  Quote from truefire;1214963:

  Why not Mashinobi?

  
  
  Considered it, I wanted to keep as close to the source material as possible. Y'know, be faithful and all that like a true fan.
• Kapra wrote on 2014-04-15 09:07
  This will be the last reply to this subject I will be making.
  

  Quote from Tropa;1215017:

  And the race debate is retarded, this is just a game. Who honestly cares about a few extra points in damage? From what I'm seeing, everyone will still be able to hit hard enough to clear content in the end.

  
  As I said, this is not about what is stronger than what. This is about everything having some advantage (note that you can hit 10k with each normal attack with a gathering knife, but if another race spends less effort and hits 5x more in everything, its imbalanced. Not because of outrageous numbers, but because of effort and reward).
  

  Quote from Jyu Viole Grace;1215057:

  I find it really funny how people are angry about racial disadvantages, all the while no one complains that literally everything in this game is unbalanced, probably even more so over a couple points of damage from one race to another. If you truly wish for a balanced game, I would start with other more important things such as reforges, the bard class, pets, puppeteer and having actual cool downs, and stamina/mana costs AND then racial balance.
  

  
  Each skillset, no matter how outclassed, has some use. The same cannot be said about races, and those that it cannot be said about are the most in need of a rebalance in my opinion.
  

  Quote from Zekkii;1215060:

  If you guys really want to argue about how you think Elves are underpowered then you should probably make a separate thread for it.

  
  Another thing, Elves are not underpowered. As Tropa said, we can all still 1-hit everything given enough effort, but that is not at all my point. It is about being rewarded for your effort, and having potential in something. (Elves spend the same effort in melee with less reward, minus a few skills that cost less AP. Elves spend more effort in magic for the same reward, and in some cases like Lightning bolt, worse. Etc. This would all be fine if there was some area where they were able to excel.)
  
  With that said, I retire to my cave.
• Jyu Viole Grace wrote on 2014-04-15 10:12

  Quote from Nui;1215058:

  All of those imbalances have already been discussed time and time again in other threads. This thread isnt meant to even really touch on imbalances at all, however the topic of races was brought up due to the possibility that elves would gain the upper hand with this skillset. Nobody discounts those imbalances as things that dont need fixing, its just not part of the topic at hand.

  
  
  I understand it's not part of the topic at hand. I know what this topic is about, however I wanted to make it clear, if you're going to QQ something is broken/unbalanced, might as well QQ about everything that is. If you're only going to QQ about something that effects you as a whole then you're just being biased and honestly you shouldn't be complaining.
  
  

  Quote from Nui;1215058:

  I use reforges, pets, bard, and puppets but I can still complain about the fact that they are unbalanced too. Just because u use something thats more efficient doesnt mean that you wouldnt like for them to be removed entirely. Thats like saying the only people who can complain about imbalances is the people who dont sully their hands with those things, even though basically everyone has the same mindset that they should be messed with for more balance. Just because you use them doesnt mean that you cant complain about how unbalanced they are, it just means that you adapted and took advantage of the opportunities that were given to you.
  

  
  
  I never said you couldn't use those. I use them too. It's just that some people are very self-absorbed and don't really care about anything that doesn't direct effect them. If you want to have a serious talk about balancing something you must take into account everything. Not just the "one" thing that has to do with your race, or your skillset or whatever.
  
  And yeah I agree this is quite off-topic so I will stop now.
  
  OT: I really hope this skillset actually does come to every other server, I was really hoping we would get something ninja based, and with that April Fools joke that Kenero played I started really thinking about how ninja's or assassins in this game would play like. I really hope this skillset is fun and not as grindy as Gunner.