The hand of sand being squeezed to make a diamond

• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2014-06-16 09:50
  I didn't know about them because I had never used one before. There's a difference between not knowing something you've never done and not liking something you've done for 5+ years. Also I would hardly call it crucial as a number of people agreed that blue upgrades are better, meaning you could go your entire Mabi career without ever needing to know what the red stones do. There isn't only one right way to play the game.
  
  If no one complains, nothing will get better. That's how games work. If no one ever complained about flaws in the game the game would still be exactly as it was in closed beta, complete with every single little bug that has ever occurred.
  
  A flaw comes up. You tell them about it. The flaw is fixed. This is what we call "progress". If another flaw comes up down the line, so be it, they can fix that one too!
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-06-16 10:01

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1226138:

  I didn't know about them because I had never used one before. There's a difference between not knowing something you've never done and not liking something you've done for 5+ years. Also I would hardly call it crucial as a number of people agreed that blue upgrades are better, meaning you could go your entire Mabi career without ever needing to know what the red stones do. There isn't only one right way to play the game.
  
  If no one complains, nothing will get better. That's how games work. If no one ever complained about flaws in the game the game would still be exactly as it was in closed beta, complete with every single little bug that has ever occurred.
  
  A flaw comes up. You tell them about it. The flaw is fixed. This is what we call "progress". If another flaw comes up down the line, so be it, they can fix that one too!

  
  
  1. You don't have to have it done to know it. You could ask questions about figher to me and I'd be able to answer just about everything about it, even though my character is not a fighter. It is crucial as these special upgrades is huge part of your combat. Weapons are basics of combat, and it's one of those common knowledge that everyone who's played over few weeks really should know. A simple research would have sufficed.
  2. People didn't actually agree that blue upgrades are better, I don't know where you're getting this. They only said blue is better at early stages. If you're still going to argue that blue is better at putting out damages later (the stage people are ultimately concerned about), I'd have to disagree with that because that would just be plain false.
  3. It's not about people not complaining. It's about people complaining about the wrong things. Sure, some contents are overdue, but that shouldn't be the complaint. If anything, the complaint should be about NA team's poor customer service as well as the dilligence/credibility of the NA team.
  4. Like I said, this isn't necessarily a flaw. If someone tried to "fix" these flaws, it'd end up with a game with totally different base. Good example is your complaint about the reward system. It's fine where it's at, and if someone tried to fix it your way, it wouldn't be a solution at all, it'd be violating the core principle the game was made upon, and it'd be creating more problems.
  5. The defintion of progress in this game has changed long time ago. It isn't the combat/dungeon content anymore. It's the physical digits, or contents outside of combat and skills.
  
  Sure, a game would need a complaint to get better, but the ones I've seen in this thread won't help much.
• Zunori wrote on 2014-06-16 18:25

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  5. The defintion of progress in this game has changed long time ago. It isn't the combat/dungeon content anymore. It's the physical digits, or contents outside of combat and skills.

  
  
  That's your view of progress. I'm pretty sure that developers didn't intend for the game to just be a mindless chase for more damage. And I believe that's the reason many veterans are upset. They're upset because the damage that they got can't be used on anything worthwhile. They can steamroll through the hardest things with virtually no effort. IMO if the developers balanced the content properly people would be a lot happier. I mean, look at dungeons, they're so easy and the rewards are so bad that no one gives a f*** about them. I think the people are unhappy because the developers made a game with so much potential and just through it down the drain with poor content and shitty customer service.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-06-16 18:34

  Quote from Zunori;1226168:

  That's your view of progress. I'm pretty sure that developers didn't intend for the game to just be a mindless chase for more damage. And I believe that's the reason many veterans are upset. They're upset because the damage that they got can't be used on anything worthwhile. They can steamroll through the hardest things with virtually no effort. IMO if the developers balanced the content properly people would be a lot happier. I mean, look at dungeons, they're so easy and the rewards are so bad that no one gives a f*** about them. I think the people are unhappy because the developers made a game with so much potential and just through it down the drain with poor content and shitty customer service.

  
  
  That was my point. Regardless of if developers intended for the game to be like this or not, progress still changed.
  The next question is if Nexon will actually make a change to this. Like I said, when they do a major content update having to do with combat areas, it could actually upset a lot of players. Gachapoons on the other hand, still manage to keep most happy.
• Zunori wrote on 2014-06-16 18:51

  Quote from ironwoman;1226169:

  That was my point. Regardless of if developers intended for the game to be like this or not, progress still changed.
  The next question is if Nexon will actually make a change to this. Like I said, when they do a major content update having to do with combat areas, it could actually upset a lot of players. Gachapoons on the other hand, still manage to keep most happy.

  
  
  As much as a content update may upset some people, I'm pretty sure more would be happier with it. And in the long term, it may actually be better for the game. I'd rather have balanced content than shitty content. And I'm sure newbies may like that better too.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-06-16 20:14

  Quote from ironwoman;1226169:

  That was my point. Regardless of if developers intended for the game to be like this or not, progress still changed.
  The next question is if Nexon will actually make a change to this. Like I said, when they do a major content update having to do with combat areas, it could actually upset a lot of players. Gachapoons on the other hand, still manage to keep most happy.

  
  
  So obviously the solution here is to just keep releasing gachapons and events right with nothing new whatsoever. That's how games get stale, there needs to be change in some form or degree wither it's new missions, dungeons, skillsets, or w/e.
  
  Damage is meaningless to me as a gamer. A worthless show of e-peen to see who can hit the highest. I'm not going to play a game where that's the only point of playing. I only care if I can clear the content and there's a good storyline to follow.
• Syliara wrote on 2014-06-16 20:18

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1226182:

  So obviously the solution here is to just keep releasing gachapons and events right with nothing new whatsoever. That's how games get stale, there needs to be change in some form or degree wither it's new missions, dungeons, skillsets, or w/e.
  
  Damage is meaningless to me as a gamer. A worthless show of e-peen to see who can hit the highest. I'm not going to play a game where that's the only point of playing.

  
  
  In the end devcat needs to either put a ton of time into a complicated dungeon/shadow mission/new type of dungeon revamp or addition to the game. They need to add multiple NEW difficulty levels along with more complicated ai's to the monsters and puzzling, fun, and rewarding dungeon maps and boss fights. OR they just need to change the core game mechanics of the game entirely to essentially "nerf" players to a point where everything is annoyingly difficult again. In the end, none of this will probably happen and they will just keep pumping out filler content that is neither difficult or exciting and will continue to make the game more and more stale.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-06-16 21:40

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1226182:

  So obviously the solution here is to just keep releasing gachapons and events right with nothing new whatsoever. That's how games get stale, there needs to be change in some form or degree wither it's new missions, dungeons, skillsets, or w/e.
  
  Damage is meaningless to me as a gamer. A worthless show of e-peen to see who can hit the highest. I'm not going to play a game where that's the only point of playing. I only care if I can clear the content and there's a good storyline to follow.

  
  
  To Nexon, yes, that is the solution.
  The sad truth is that significantly more people play the game for purposes outside of combat/storyline. I know it sucks, but the case holds true for any server, and Nexon's seen this long before. Yes, the ideal is to have balanced content. Remember when dynamic patch and balance renewal came out? Many KR players were not content with it. Probably didn't even really help to balance things out either. In fact, probably made it even more unbalanced.
  Abyss dungeons are perfect examples of Nexon's attempt; they were meant to be harder dungeons for people to clear and work hard for. The reality? Just became another dungeon people can breeze through. Seeing this, it's like as if they've given up on these contents. As much as players would love new content, DevCat probably won't do this for long time. I mean I guess they added some things in G19, but not sure if that'll be enough. They could add some ridiculous mob outside of raids that people could go for, but what I fear is that there will be complaints that people will say the content is stupidly hard. As sad as it is, Nexon wants what would maxmize profits, and those would be fashion and exploiting reforges, not the new combat/storyline, although it is a little nice to see that they tried new things in G19 storyline.
  
  Also, if you people really want this to be heard, this shouldn't be the place to discuss. Do it in Nexon forums, although that place is filled with stupid people.
• M wrote on 2014-06-17 02:34

  Quote from Kaeporo;1225842:

  . I read up on some notes regarding the ego revamp not long ago but Google won't translate pictures and I can't read Chinese.

  
  
  Did you mean korean? Id imagine it was korean unless china has some exclusive content or fan-made stuff. Maybe share the link(s) and we can get some insight on this if it's anything new :D
• NomadTrooper wrote on 2014-06-17 04:07

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1225722:

  What the above two said about Runescape. It basically has everything Mabinogi lacks. It has tons of content and storyline, you probably couldn't finish all the quests in a year let alone the week it takes to finish Mabi's. The quests and fights don't scale to you in Runescape, so you actually have to advance to be able to do things, you can't just go for it and have it scale to your level like in Mabi, so there's always that feeling of, "If I want to find out how the story ends I need to train more!" so you always have a goal. And then as soon as you DO finish all the quests and content, BAM! New content, right in your lap and despite providing regular content updates they ALSO have plenty of events for the community, so it's not choose between content or events like with Mabi. In Runescape there is just as much high level content as low level content, so you always have something to do, and even if you do manage to max at the game and get everything to 99 and finish all the quests, there are still tons of minigames and stuff you can play until they release something new.
  
  
  At least Mabi is neither competitive, nor a Sub game.
  Of course on the other hand, Mabinogi has a far superior combat system.
  
  I'm not sure which of the two skill systems I like better, both simmer down to standing in one place doing X for a while, though in Runescape you can't buy skill levels, so it has that going for it.
  
  
  Long story short: Mabinogi needs to be more like Runescape.

  
  :point:
  
  Squeal of Fortune (SoF) is a gambling system like gachas that sometimes includes exp. You can buy spins from Runescape's cash shop. You can buy exp. The player Starrychelx bought 99 Slayer with this method. Runescape is pay to win, and it's a competitive highscore based subscription game. This is why RS is now dead to me.
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2014-06-17 10:54
  Well, everyone look on the bright side. Maybe the months of nothing but gacha and events means they are planning something huge so they don't have time for anything else.
  
  At least we can hope.
• Masadeer wrote on 2014-06-17 13:59
  we should be due for a major patch update within a month or two =x
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-06-17 14:34

  Quote from Masadeer;1226323:

  we should be due for a major patch update within a month or two =x

  
  
  There will be treasure hunter fairly soon, as well as G19 saga update. G19 story and actual episode playing is more fun that what we have right now. Not sure if that will satisfiy people.
  
  

  Quote from ╔╦╗╒╕║╒╕;1226253:

  Did you mean korean? Id imagine it was korean unless china has some exclusive content or fan-made stuff. Maybe share the link(s) and we can get some insight on this if it's anything new :D

  
  
  I know people have been talking about possible ego revamp here and there... but I'll give you the reality. As of how the KR server seems, there is no planned ego revamp sadly. I know it's disappointing, but egos won't get buffed for awhile, if it ever does.
  
  As for DevCat planning something huge for us or not... I highly doubt it. This game is 11 years old. They have other games to pour effort into.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-06-17 14:46

  Quote from ironwoman;1226336:

  There will be treasure hunter fairly soon, as well as G19 saga update. G19 story and actual episode playing is more fun that what we have right now. Not sure if that will satisfiy people.

  
  
  It won't.
  
  Lame solo "story" missions with pathetic rewards and irritating cutscenes won't do anything to move people out of Dunbarton when they're not running daily shadow missions or NPC. The ability to tackle new boring once over mainstream fetch quests is certainly better than not having said ability albeit barely.
  
  What's so fucking hard about adding new shadow missions or revamping dungeons? I understand that it's not as profitable as releasing gacha outfits or creating a new talent which will be more useful than existing talents in exactly 0% of content but it would be nice if they threw us a damn bone.
• Zunori wrote on 2014-06-17 18:21

  Quote from Kaeporo;1226341:

  
  
  What's so fucking hard about adding new shadow missions or revamping dungeons? I understand that it's not as profitable as releasing gacha outfits or creating a new talent which will be more useful than existing talents in exactly 0% of content but it would be nice if they threw us a damn bone.

  
  
  Exactly and fixing these content issues would make the game better as a whole and possibly reel in more profit in the long term if they advertise properly.
  
  And what's sad is that we can barely see any progress for balancing the content. Sure they made an attempt with the balance/enlightenment update but what did they do after that? Fucking nothing.
  
  What happened to that labyrinth dungeon? What about Tory Ravine?
  
  Also, speaking of advertising...
  
  

  [Image: http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/18/ybysy9e3.jpg]

  
  
  How the hell is this supposed to get a person to play. Painting is such a small part of this game. In fact, I don't even think you can paint a picture.