Thoughts on Ninja Talent?

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k1nsoo wrote on 2014-07-25 05:32

I've been training and trying to utilize Ninja skills lately but I also want to hear you guys' thoughts on Ninja talents. What are some aspects that you guys enjoy so far? Any dislikes or improvements to make?

Anyways these are my thoughts on Ninja skills so far:

Shuriken Mastery - dunno if this is intended or not but Shuriken's accuracy seems to be in between 85~90% (usually miss 1 out 10 normal attacks)

Shuriken Charge - great 1v1 skill, similar to Focused Fist, only thing I don't like about this skill is that you need a targeting hotkey (Tab) to use it efficiently

Shadow Cloak - hide? Really good defensive skill if you get aggroed

Smokescreen - most useless skill in Ninja talent, lowering defense by 20 doesn't really do much at all. Would have been more useful if it had a piercing effect and/or deaggro party members inside it

Explosive Kunai - hard to say in terms of utility/damage-wise but seems pretty useful clearing mobs if you have 5 traps

Kunai Storm - one of my favorite Ninja skills, similar to Shooting Rush (400%), but range is too small (400 with r1). I am guessing NX wants to reforge gloves for KS range

Shadow Bind - my favorite #1 Ninja skill, this skill makes Ninjas much safer and gives great utility in party plays.

Sakura Abyss - the ultimate ninja ultimate? Unbelievably strong if you fully charge it but I think 5min cooldown really kills it. Should lower cooldown or it will become like a Meteor Strike
Kapra wrote on 2014-07-25 05:55

Quote from k1nsoo;1234874:
Sakura Abyss - the ultimate ninja ultimate? Unbelievably strong if you fully charge it but I think 5min cooldown really kills it. Should lower cooldown or it will become like a Meteor Strike

They already lowered the cooldown. The cooldown was 20 minutes, not its 5 minutes. Personally, I think they lowered it too far. Lowering it even more will kill its legitimacy.
samsun2024 wrote on 2014-07-25 06:28

Shuriken Mastery - I have the same problem, will miss a normal attack once in a while, but not 1/10 that much, probably 1/50~100 I think.

Shuriken Charge - I wish I could charge it first then select the target that I want to attack.

Shadow Cloak - The cool down for the skill is about right, dropping aggro it great. But really, the ability to cloak isn't come from the weapon, thus I want to use it with other weapon.

Smokescreen - ...I rank it for the stats

Explosive Kunai - can be useful for stopping a mob running toward you can slow them down, still thinking how to use it in a fight.

Kunai Storm - A ranged WM, but the radius is too small... they should increase it to 500 for r1.

Shadow Bind - The duration for this skill is a bit short, adding 1 or 2 more sec will be better.

Sakura Abyss - 5 mins cool down is good, it used to be 20 mins. It will be better if they can decrease the charge time according the rank, instead of constant charge time through out rF to r1.

Over all, I don't really like this skill set. Maybe because I don't know how to combat with it ?
All my ninja skills are rA+ my total str + will is 1100, and I can't even clear a lingering darkness HM naked.
Cookieknight wrote on 2014-07-25 06:50

I don't like:
-The long cool down on shadow cloak
-Smokescreen and explosive Kumasi are not very useful except for stats
-Shadow bind needs a longer duration
- You need to select the target before you use charging shuriken
-Sakura abyss is only useful if you have high rank lullaby or a cloud
I'm fine with everything else
Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-07-25 07:20

Shuriken Mastery and Explosive Kunai missing is probably a glitch.

Anyway:

Shuriken Mastery: Ignoring the glitch, the attack spam and constant knockback feels like a slower Frenzy.

Shuriken Charge: This thing is pretty damn strong. At rank 2, with 494 damage using Akatsuki, I can deal 9k fully charged critical. This also makes splash Smash and Magnum Shot look like chump change. Though, who doesn't hate the need to target something to use and the inability to switch targets?

Shadow Cloak: It's okay I guess. The hide is useful in approaching unnoticed and escaping danger in abysses and lords (which I never go to anymore) and the speed boost is massive, but that hide duration is kind of short though and it does way too little damage which makes me think of it as a Wind Blast-esque skill.

Smokescreen: Useless piece of shit that only lowers Defense. It's just stats. It really could use a de-aggroing effect or something. Also I don't like how you cant ctrl target a mob with this.

Explosive Kunai: Ehh... All it does is just hold mobs back; doesn't do anything that special really. The start-up delay is too long though, plus the fact that you can't ctrl target like smokescreen.

Kunai Storm: A very powerful aoe, though it has multiple hits and the crit rate for each of them is different. Frankly I don't mind the range.

Shadow Bind: This thing is too short to be useful in combat. I'd say double the duration; don't forget this skill already has two serious handicaps, one of which hardly applies.

Sakura Abyss: A massive burst damage skill that needs to be paired with a high rank lullaby or aoe pet spam, very fun to use this petal dance of death. I'm indifferent about the loading, but the cooldown is fine.

Overall this skillset is very good and powerful when handled right, but feels slightly repetitive as gunner and has numerous issues.

Quote from samsun2024;1234884:
Over all, I don't really like this skill set. Maybe because I don't know how to combat with it ?
All my ninja skills are rA+ my total str + will is 1100, and I can't even clear a lingering darkness HM naked.

Ninja Tactics/Combos:
-Shuriken Charge from far away.
-Defense -> Smash -> Assault -> Counter -> Repeat
-Stealth in with Shadow Cloak and do w/e.
-Kunai Storm -> Shuriken Charge -> Kunai Storm.
-Corner normal attack spam.

There's more but these are the ones that I use.
Saibogu wrote on 2014-07-25 07:45

Im really enjoying it for some reason, something about it feels really good. I think, for me at least, that it allows for a ton of fun combos (that aren't necessarily overkill but can still kill at a decent amount of time) that is what I really appreciate about it.
SUNFLARE wrote on 2014-07-25 07:52

Have only one issue smoke bombs training why you no give multi target exp ? Other then that I like the design and the concept fun skill set none the less But personally i would of prefer Dex + will for damage not the str +will but that just me elf raging
DennouNeko wrote on 2014-07-25 08:38

Quote from SUNFLARE;1234895:
But personally i would of prefer Dex + will for damage not the str +will but that just me elf raging

It's not just you. I think it would even make more sense if it was dex + will.

As for the skills, despite some thing that are bugging me (mentioned [post=1234536]here[/post]), I like them.
But because I have to wait for previous skill to finish before even preparing next one, it somehow feels like it lacks some kind of flow (I noticed it for gunslinger too). But guess this gets noticeable only for people with bad connection/huge delay.
Mentosftw wrote on 2014-07-25 08:57

I don't think the shuriken glitch is really a glitch at all. Iyasenu pointed it out to me that it's most likely the luck stat of mobs at work which allows them to passively dodge certain projectiles like arrows and bullets.
Zekkii wrote on 2014-07-25 09:35

Quote from Mentosftw;1234907:
I don't think the shuriken glitch is really a glitch at all. Iyasenu pointed it out to me that it's most likely the luck stat of mobs at work which allows them to passively dodge certain projectiles like arrows and bullets.

Mobs don't have a dodge rate though, and I have never missed a gunner shot.
Aubog007 wrote on 2014-07-25 09:38

Quote from Zekkii;1234908:
Mobs don't have a dodge rate though, and I have never missed a gunner shot.

You mean in general? Cause it's funny when people try shooting me with guns.
A good way to test is do pvp on someone and use normal attack until you miss and see if that still untranslated message shows up.
Zekkii wrote on 2014-07-25 09:41

Quote from Aubog007;1234909:
You mean in general? Cause it's funny when people try shooting me with guns.
A good way to test is do pvp on someone and use normal attack until you miss and see if that still untranslated message shows up.

I don't pvp though, I'm referring to mobs.
Aubog007 wrote on 2014-07-25 09:53

Quote from Zekkii;1234910:
I don't pvp though, I'm referring to mobs.

Either way, you can test the theory via pvp.
Aisunix wrote on 2014-07-25 10:05

For the Shuriken's normal attack, it can be dodged in PvP through the luck stat. Also the dodge message is translated now. No idea about mobs though :c
JasonHero wrote on 2014-07-25 10:13

Anyone happen to know how long the ninja skill training event quests will stay? The ones that gove 20 ap and skill resets? I dont really plan on training ninja right away and i wanna know if the quests will stay.

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