Which Skills do you think are useless?

• frncsjhnhawaii wrote on 2014-09-05 18:34
  About the defense party buff passive...
  Really seems like melee attacks and projectiles were meant to be stopped en route to the target if it comes into contact with an enemy with defense loaded first but the game play vision of the devs shifted. Would've been cool to see formations of warriors protecting archers, mages, and alchemists.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-09-05 18:48

  Quote from frncsjhnhawaii;1245491:

  About the defense party buff passive...
  Really seems like melee attacks and projectiles were meant to be stopped en route to the target if it comes into contact with an enemy with defense loaded first but the game play vision of the devs shifted. Would've been cool to see formations of warriors protecting archers, mages, and alchemists.

  
  
  Right now that feature is stupid and useless. Enduring Melody and Party Healing give the same amount of defense but have a lot more range.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-09-05 20:20

  Quote from Darkboy132;1245504:

  Right now that feature is stupid and useless. Enduring Melody and Party Healing give the same amount of defense but have a lot more range.

  
  
  And Enduring Melody lasts considerably longer.
  
  But all that becomes pretty useless when you play battlefield overture and just kill everything beforehand.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-09-10 04:36

  Quote from ironwoman;1245527:

  And Enduring Melody lasts considerably longer.
  
  But all that becomes pretty useless when you play battlefield overture and just kill everything beforehand.

  
  
  True, true.
  
  
  Transformation Mastery's aesthetic forms, White Dragon for instance. "Fun" but no use in combat.
• ttinchung111 wrote on 2014-09-10 05:20
  Spider trap. Its funny to trap a giant sulfur spider, but its the most useless skill that cant be used against most mobs, is rng based (gotta hit that 30% crit at the same time as you have a trap up), single target, requires traps in inventory, etc. Just a giant pain..
• Osayidan wrote on 2014-09-10 22:36

  Quote from Darkboy132;1245481:

  But... Sharp Mind's gone...

  
  
  Exactly, proof of how useless it is. So useless nexon had it removed.
• Tyskiyomy wrote on 2014-09-10 22:58
  Milking c;
• Kentngo wrote on 2014-09-11 17:16

  Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1245197:

  Given the viewing distance in certain areas in Mabinogi, that's a matter of "Now I see you, and now I don't."
  
  I personally found Shuriken charge to be a "useless" skill, it can't be charged before you've "selected" a target, and with most set-ups, selecting a target is the same as attacking it unless you click from out of range and then cancel your movement, then manually walk in range for Shuriken Charge and hope you haven't left Combat Mode by then.
  The damage for the skill is okay, it's just the way that it is used that makes it feel like a waste of time.

  
  
  I'm at the point where it typically takes me less than half a second to select a target for Shuriken Charge, which is still a significant amount of time, but much more usable now that I've gotten the hang of it. You can also charge and release Shuriken Charge during Windmill's animation or quick tap it to cancel attack animations. This is also a bit of a glitchfeature, but you can also control what direction enemies fall using it, so it's my replacement for Wire Pull if I ever want to pull an enemy closer to me.
  
  I typically find its charge up situational (useless a lot of the time), but the attack animation cancel and being able to damage enemies 13m away while in Windmill animation isn't bad.
• KingFintchz wrote on 2014-09-15 21:31

  Quote from Darkboy132;1245151:

  Which skills in this game do you think are useless?
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  Personas - Most of them give shit stats and they all have a shitty long cooldown which aren't viable to use.
  
  Spirit Weapon Awakening, Elven Magic Missile, Counterattack, Lance Counter, Counter Punch - Shit damage, nuff said. As for counterattack series you shouldn't even be getting hit so they're worthless.
  
  Defense - Specifically referring to that small "party buff" where it has ridiculously small range. This skill doesn't block that many skills which should be blocked (Act 6: Crisis, for example) so its quite weak too.
  
  Final Shot - This was completely left in the dust since Genesis. The loading time should have been removed, the teleport using duration is a stupid feature, and the archery load time decrease doesn't even work anymore since the entire skillset got their loading times removed.
  
  Control of Darkness - Excluding the glitch, the tamed mobs have horrible AI, not to mention the fact that it costs nearly 1k gold per attempt is absurd.
  
  Taming Wild Animals - Same reason as Control of Darkness, only referring to the horrible AI.
  
  Natural Shield, Ice Shield, Fire Shield, Lightning Shield - Makes you a sitting duck while "blocking" damage that should already be negated by magic defense and protection. Honestly these skills could use a lot of improvements.
  
  Wind Blast - All it does is give pushback along with weak damage, Water Cannon can do the same thing with even higher damage.
  
  Mana Crystallization - Um, who uses this anymore? The pure magic ones are better and you can't Snap Cast this?
  
  Summon Golem - Has a really bad AI and I'm way more stronger than some weak pile of rocks.
  
  Respite - Before the influx of Health and Stamina this was pretty balanced, but now it restores like an 11th of my max HP/SP; Fantastic Chorus does so much better. The aftereffect is completely pointless, and the poison cure is stupid; no one is going to use Respite in a fight and by the time the monster is dead the poison should already have worn off, plus free battle pegasus pets can already negate poison instantly.
  
  Tumble - It really irks me that this is a knuckle-only skill, which doesn't benefit the skillset in any way other than setting up for Focused Fist. It'd be so much better if this was universal, greatly assisting archer/mage/alchemy/gun/ninja.
  
  Encore - ... Really, what bard skill needs its cooldown reset?
  
  Act 9: Invigorating Encore - This skill is terribad in every way: the shit AI, the shit damage buff, the weak eruption damage, and useless skill loading decrease. Act 9 was originally intended to have a helping partner wasn't it? Well the partner isn't so helpful at all.
  
  Reload - I don't use bullets, so this is useless to me.
  
  Grapple Shot - Weak damage. I know it's meant to pull yourself closer to someone, but that range is too short to utilize properly, not to mention the fact it just makes you more vulnerable.
  
  Bullet Slide - Weak damage.
  
  Bullet Storm - Weak damage compared to Shooting Rush spam and is extremely hard to utilize because A) it has shit range and B) there's hardly a time where there's 12 enemies all bundled together.
  
  Spider Shot - Single target with an extremely long cooldown that increases critical damage but isn't guaranteed.
  
  Berserk - Even at rank 1, 160 Strength basically means like 50 max damage, which isn't much. The trade off for cutting off all my defensive stats for a very small duration isn't worth it.
  
  Shockwave - Weak damage with a ridiculously huge mana cost. 400 max damage means nothing compared to intermediate magic spells, heck even Thunder has the same max damage but hits 5 times and uses a lot less MP.
  
  Demigod - They all suck now since the influx to stats.

  
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  I think to determine some of these skill usless you'd have to use them. As someone who considers themeselves a gunner, I can say bullet storm is extremely useful. Furthermore it comes into play in NPC after crisis, or sulfur spider, or any situation after crisis. And while it's range is short it has a pretty decent spread with ample amounts of damage at max target damage increase. Bullet Slide also provides decent damage, at r3 at max I've done 8-10k, which is pretty good for a get away skill. Bullet storm and Bullet Slide helps pull off shooting rush at times.
  
  Encore- Allows bards to use both versions of fantastic chorus at the same times: providing enemy debuff and regeneration buff at same time. (I think they stack)
  Also allows for double discord (usefulness situational)
  
  Berserk - Damage is Damage
  Persona - Damage is Damage + I.frame
  
  Shields- Only useless if you aren't skillful at executing them. In PvE it's useful against mobs that otherwise one hit you with magic I.e Red Dragon, Ghast(?), Ghost, Whichever monster thunders in Caverns. Timed right you can prevent getting thundered and cancel right after. However, natural shield is the only useless one Id say (aside from PvP).
  
  The thread question is kinda confusing to me because for reload you said its useless because you don't use bullets. But I could also say all the ninja skills are useless because I don't use ninja. So is the thread asking what skills are useless to my skill sets or what's skills are useless as in they have no purpose?
  
  Skill(s) I think are useless:
  
  Windguard- practically useless since the the heavy armor mastery, and shield mastery skills came out, along with the STR:Def revamp. It's primary use now seems to be cheap tricks in pvp and to gather mobs with taunt.
  
  Goldstrike- IMO extremely useless, cost money, takes too long to max charge, extremely small aoe range. Only use seems to be cocky style finishes in PvP.
  
  Puppet Snare- have never seen any good use for this skill.
  
  Spider Shot- [Opinion Based Off of What I've seen] extremely situational, think it requires special ammo, dwarfed by shadow bind, only use seems to be prevent getting hit which could be resolved by first hit of ar, firebolt, or magnum shot.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-09-15 21:40

  Quote from KingFintchz;1247541:

  The thread question is kinda confusing to me because for reload you said its useless because you don't use bullets. But I could also say all the ninja skills are useless because I don't use ninja. So is the thread asking what skills are useless to my skill sets or what's skills are useless as in they have no purpose?
  
  Both useless to you and have zero purpose.
  
  Skill(s) I think are useless:
  
  Puppet Snare- have never seen any good use for this skill.
  
  Puppet's Snare is actually useful against Blinkers or Ghasts. But now it's overshadowed by Shadow Bind.

  
  
  Zzz
• LikeIsaidPotato wrote on 2014-09-16 00:24

  Quote from Tyskiyomy;1246441:

  Milking c;

  
  
  Don't you lie.
  
  Once Nao is available to the players, you'll see who has the first laugh.
• Liesha wrote on 2014-09-16 02:37
  Persona was useful while working on refining in previous training scheme where failure was mandatory. -30 Dex in Hamlet and Claudius was valuable when we somehow had to bring our Dex under 50 to achieve success rate below 50%. With current training regime, no longer necessary, but having enough failure will get you out of Bangor. I still have a mental image of an ingot= "failure to fail" ><
  
  Aren't you guys forgetting the mystery skill "Wine Making" that does absolutely nothing (aside form minute stat boost), but take up some AP and some title that I still can't come up with use for; "Sommelier Sage?"
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-09-16 02:40

  Quote from Liesha;1247624:

  Aren't you guys forgetting the mystery skill "Wine Making" that does absolutely nothing (aside form minute stat boost), but take up some AP and some title that I still can't come up with use for; "Sommelier Sage?"

  
  
  Wine Making gives stats, and stat giving skills have some merit.
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-09-16 19:47

  Quote from Liesha;1247624:

  Persona was useful while working on refining in previous training scheme where failure was mandatory. -30 Dex in Hamlet and Claudius was valuable when we somehow had to bring our Dex under 50 to achieve success rate below 50%. With current training regime, no longer necessary, but having enough failure will get you out of Bangor. I still have a mental image of an ingot= "failure to fail" ><
  
  Aren't you guys forgetting the mystery skill "Wine Making" that does absolutely nothing (aside form minute stat boost), but take up some AP and some title that I still can't come up with use for; "Sommelier Sage?"

  
  I've always found persona useful for invincibility frames, and after usage you can use shylock's step to either run away or just distance yourself so you can use an attack.
• KingFintchz wrote on 2014-09-16 19:57

  Quote from Darkboy132;1247625:

  Wine Making gives stats, and stat giving skills have some merit.

  
  
  So wouldn't that logic apply to both reload and grapple shot as they both add ample amounts of HP?