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Elleanior wrote on 2014-11-16 18:18
Saga 2 left me with bittersweet feelings. I am glad that Ruairi and the Ban can rest in peace, but their final actions... they will cause such repercussions that they had never wished for.
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Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-11-17 01:29
http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00I4a
Chapter 6:
In the thrilling conclusion to The Saga II: Iria, you are all that stands between Erinn and utter destruction. Put an end to the Cessair Cult's evil ritual and face Ruairi in single combat. Chapter six features one of the most epic battles in Mabinogi History, and the events that transpire will have ramifications for months to come.
... What is this bullshit? The ritual being conducted wasn't performed out of "evil" deeds and Ruairi didn't intentionally try to destroy Erinn. Also how is the fight with Ruairi even considered "epic"? :fail3:
Also
Quote from Milletian:
The child will be sacrificed either way.
Right before we fight Ruairi, how do we even know this? Why are we just fighting when we know Tarlach is going to die? I don't think our character was told about the ritual other than someone would die.
Also was the final fight with Ruairi even necessary? He told us he was going to give Tarlach back, and he did.
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Elleanior wrote on 2014-11-17 05:10
Quote from Darkboy132;1254521:
http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00I4a
... What is this bullshit? The ritual being conducted wasn't performed out of "evil" deeds and Ruairi didn't intentionally try to destroy Erinn. Also how is the fight with Ruairi even considered "epic"? :fail3:
Also
Right before we fight Ruairi, how do we even know this? Why are we just fighting when we know Tarlach is going to die? I don't think our character was told about the ritual other than someone would die.
Also was the final fight with Ruairi even necessary? He told us he was going to give Tarlach back, and he did.
...I cannot deny any of that. HEY WRITERS. GET ON IT. :shoe:
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Kilayox wrote on 2014-11-17 05:42
saga 2 left me confused of the entire story-line of this game. I dunno, I just don't understand it for some reason..
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Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-11-17 06:22
Quote from Kilayox;1254539:
saga 2 left me confused of the entire story-line of this game. I dunno, I just don't understand it for some reason..
Who wouldn't be confused? Saga 2 threw in some random shit that were never mentioned in the previous gens. The only things that were brought up were Cessair being Adniel's former conductor, and the "hole" that kid Morrighan and Cichol saw in G15.
Basically, Neamhain/Irinid cursed and banished the Cessair's ancestors for an unknown reason. They're pissed and Dian Cecht, a daughter of one of the ancestors who rose to power, wants revenge. She tries to use something Macha put into Tarlach (I think?) to do something to take revenge (become whole again? I don't really understand), but we kill her. The thing inside Tarlach talks to Ruairi and wants to sacrifice himself to open the "hole" that Morrighan and Cichol saw in G15, so that more foreign creatures invade Erinn and fight the deities. Ruairi goes with it because it's the only way to save Tarlach, and he gladly sacrifices himself to do so.
G19 supposedly picks up where Saga 2 left off. The Girgash or w/e its called is said to have came from that "hole".
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Elleanior wrote on 2014-11-17 08:13
Quote from Darkboy132;1254540:
Who wouldn't be confused? Saga 2 threw in some random shit that were never mentioned in the previous gens. The only things that were brought up were Cessair being Adniel's former conductor, and the "hole" that kid Morrighan and Cichol saw in G15.
Basically, Neamhain/Irinid cursed and banished the Cessair's ancestors for an unknown reason. They're pissed and Dian Cecht, a daughter of one of the ancestors who rose to power, wants revenge. She tries to use something Macha put into Tarlach (I think?) to do something to take revenge (become whole again? I don't really understand), but we kill her. The thing inside Tarlach talks to Ruairi and wants to sacrifice himself to open the "hole" that Morrighan and Cichol saw in G15, so that more foreign creatures invade Erinn and fight the deities. Ruairi goes with it because it's the only way to save Tarlach, and he gladly sacrifices himself to do so.
G19 supposedly picks up where Saga 2 left off. The Girgash or w/e its called is said to have came from that "hole".
Macha did not place the "god fragment" into Tarlach. It is a remnant of sorts leftover from when Tarlach tried to use lia fail to allow Macha to be reborn, and it contains the old tarlach's memories and experiences. It is the remnant energies that conflicted when a mortal tried using powers that were beyond his control, that materialised. Dian tried to use it in order to remerge her vessel of emotions (Cecht/ Cessair's Heart) with herself, allowing her to regain all of her powers and self, because she no longer cares about saving the Ban and their descendants. She only cares about revenge now, and would gladly sacrifice her people for it. This "Tarlach" that Ruairi speaks to is the memories and experiences of the remnant, this "god fragment", and the reborn soul of Tarlach combined. Think of a 6-year-old's solution to any world-crushing problem, and that's quite a lot like how he turned out. Ruairi doesn't so much care for his plan... he only wants this reborn Tarlach to live in peace and not suffer anymore, so he will sacrifice himself in "Tarlach's" stead, which executes "Tarlach's" plan. Since the god fragment appears to have been destroyed in the process of making this extraterrestrial hole, the "Tarlach" is gone, and the child is left as he was without the god fragment.
It's complicated, but it makes perfect sense to me... for the most part. My explanations don't really do this story a justice, since I am bad at explanations.
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Kilayox wrote on 2014-11-17 13:10
What was the purpose of the Ruiari fight?
What was the outcome the milletian wanted?
Why was Professor J brought into the story? From what I gathered, he served no purpose at all..
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Qnjo wrote on 2014-11-17 15:07
Quote from Kilayox;1254560:
What was the purpose of the Ruiari fight?
What was the outcome the milletian wanted?
Why was Professor J brought into the story? From what I gathered, he served no purpose at all..
The Milletian wanted to stop the ritual
somehow, while Ruairi needed it to be completed so he can save Tarlach. Why didn't it occur to Ruairi that stopping the ritual would save everyone I don't know, but I'm already used to him acting like a retard.
As for Professor J and other aces, I think that they are part of this secret group Merlin mentioned (Silent Brotherhood perhaps?) and just stick together because of that.
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-11-17 17:20
On the subject of why did we have to fight Ruairi, the answer is simple. Ruairi wanted to pick a fight with you plain and simple. After all it wasn't you who initiated the final battle but Ruairi himself.
Why did Ruairi want to fight you, cause he believes that he is destined to always battle you and wanted to have another piece of you I guess and cause he didn't want you stopping the ritual of course.
Personally, I actually enjoyed saga 2, despite people's problems with it. I really liked the atmosphere of the final 2 episodes and the fight with Ruairi and Cessair's Heart was fun. If my character was with the same gear and stats as when I fought Nuadha in G12, it would have been just as epic.
The problem though is by this point my character is practically a God due to the Millitean's infinite growth factor so there is only so hard they can make the story while making it enjoyable for everyone. The fact that it took at least 5-6 firebolts to end the battle allowed for plenty of time to dick around if I had wanted to.
In fact, I probably could have had a lot more fun with him if I intentionally went with lower gear or gear that I'm not used to using like say Alchemy or Archery.
Overall though, if people are going to look for things to nitpick and hate over, they'll come up with anything to hate on it. I mean I hate to point fingers but there have been people in this thread who have had nothing positive to say about Mabinogi for the past month or so. At which point, I highly doubt devcat could ever hope to please those people so fudge it.
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Elleanior wrote on 2014-11-17 19:32
I feel like this is worth noting... the Milletian doesn't know Ruairi and "Tarlach's" side of the ritual, and since Ruairi and the Milletian have never been on good terms, a simple thing can easily bring them to a full on brawl.
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Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-11-17 21:15
Does our character even know what the ritual does?
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Elleanior wrote on 2014-11-18 21:25
Quote from Darkboy132;1254598:
Does our character even know what the ritual does?
Most likely only has half a clue. The player is aware of far more than the character, after all...
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Tyskiyomy wrote on 2014-11-20 02:41
I liked it, some minigames got a bit annoying *cough*TH Gunner Shooting Rush Spammage*cough* but the ending battle was fun, too bad Ruairi couldn't handle the firebolts.
And Iunno if I'm the only one but I feel Dian was like a hard thought out character that they just decided to scratch off, cause she died fast after being introduced :P
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Elleanior wrote on 2014-11-20 06:08
Quote from Tyskiyomy;1254759:
And Iunno if I'm the only one but I feel Dian was like a hard thought out character that they just decided to scratch off, cause she died fast after being introduced :P
I'm inclined to agree... But I'm also glad that they didn't leave her in too long, because then things would have gotten complicated. I think that they just couldn't think of a way to stretch out her time, so they just cut the episodes down.
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Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-11-20 23:28
Quote from Elleanior;1254676:
Most likely only has half a clue. The player is aware of far more than the character, after all...
If we know Tarlach's going to die, what the hell are we doing on World's End?
Quote from Tyskiyomy;1254759:
And Iunno if I'm the only one but I feel Dian was like a hard thought out character that they just decided to scratch off, cause she died fast after being introduced :P
I really despise characters:
-Who are introduced out of the blue.
-Who are somehow already stronger than us when they are introduced.
-Who are shortly after or immediately killed off or permanently vanish the moment they are introduced.
-All of the above.
It was just stupid how they threw her in there to make this "true leader" and "protagonist is sibling to antagonist" crap.