FistFullOfSponge wrote on 2015-01-20 11:07
1) Tuatha de Danannan age in real time, a week our time is not a year their time. This is specifically noted in multiple books throughout (or at least 1 or 2)
2) Shakespeare is a millitian and he's supposed to be REALLY shakespeare, like the real shakespeare like us ended up in erinn, at least that's what a few things I've read in the early shakespeare gens said, that being said, there is also the parth thing, so who knows, maybe they decided to make millitians an actual thing. Initially millitians being from another universe was just an easter egg/nod to the fans like "eh, see waht we did there?", I find it more entertaining to think that our characters are inter-dimensional saiyans.
3) The more likely Lugh story is that the real Lugh was tossed into Avon for years until he mentally broke, Morgant on the other hand used the Lugh identity to manipulate Ruairi, in direct relation to how cichol tricked morgant by acting like morrighan, it worked and because he was "lugh", ruairi played ball. Actually quite frankly, the lugh we faced might not have been the real lugh anyway and maybe morgant really is lugh, it's just a sure thing that g16 "lugh" isn't morgant, it doesn't make sense within it's own chapter considering morgant is cichol's right hand man and didn't the gods come together?
4) Morgant bonked Naemhain, who wouldn't, her and Shamala are out of this world.
I'm more interesting in the big gods and not the minor gods (nuadha, cichol, morrighan, etc etc)
Bring forth manannan mac lir, have him flood a continent or something, I don't expect to fight him but bring him forth character wise, he'd be too powerful based on the scale of his character and what he is, the same can be said about danu, but I'd still like one of them to show up to make the other gods sweat and back off. :P
I would really like some closure with cichol, I don't want him dead since I think he was a brilliant character in g1-3, but I want a definite Cichol boss fight and Morgant doing something. When I was doing g1 all those years back (before g2 was a thing), I remember assuming that we'd eventually fight cichol and that morgant would end up taking his place and surpass him. At this point I wouldn't mind Morgant and the 3 lost warriors transcending into nuadha/morrighan/cichol leveled gods.
Also another thing, Cichol is the heir to Balor, ie Balor was what Cichol was in c1, what happened to balor? Was he killed by Lugh like in the mythology? I doubt it since that would have been pretty important.
It's not really a plothole, but I'd like a roleplay where you are mores trying to defeat the fomors and jabchiel before jabchiel can trash the moon into the earth (yes that actually happened and is why moon gates occurred)
The teaser made me think the raid boss was Balor with the one glowing eye in the dark.
Tetosan wrote on 2015-01-20 13:26
i'm just gonna try answer everything from the OP:
Generation 1:
Which warrior received what part of the curse from Morgant?
- I can see everything... All of your futures... I see someone who will have to give up everything... - Ruairi has to give up everything, after this day he's unconsious in Math Dungeon and later ends up being betrayed by Esras and unable to actually return ever, it remains true till Saga S2 at whichs end he gives up everything to save Chibilach.
There's also someone who gets what he or she wants but won't be able to handle it... - Mari/Nao always wanted to know about her real parents and now knows that her Mother died protecting her and her Father then was tricked into working with Cichol, she's kind of unable to handle it which is why Nao will respond with "i can no longer... you won't me see carry a bow anymore" when spoken to with the Bow Keyword after doing G1.
There's also one who will live in physical and mental agony forever... Hahaha!! Poor souls! You will live forever in the curse of the Goddess! - Tarlach was cursed to turn into a Bear during Daytime and being allergic to Mana Herbs in his Human form, He's also scarred for life from thinking he was betrayed by his Master and the Goddess Morrighan.
How was Shiela able to see through Cichol's disguise?
- It's possible that she could see through it due to being a wandering spirit, tho this question mainly remains unanswered.
Whatever happened to Shiela afterward?
- It's possible she stayed at Mores' side till his death, it's possible she left in sadness that her Husband was tricked. We know that nobody was able to see her so since we play most of the Generation as other Characters and not Sheila it's possible she's not seen due to that.
Generation 3:
Tarlach was supposed to be sealed in Sidhe Sneachta and was unable to leave or he would die. How'd he get out?
- Either he projected himself there with some kind of magic he learned off-screen or Nao did it.
How did Ruairi see Nao when he didn't take the Holy Potion?
- Either Nao is able to temporarily be seen by everyone or it was Tarlach's or Morrighan's doing, also it's only implied she can't be seen in Erinn by normal people, it's entirely possible different Rules apply in Tir Na Nog.
If Cromm Cruaich was depicted as EVIL, why is he helping us?
- Cromm is not actually Evil, He's an entity that is only out for the balance of the world, He's much like Morrighan at the end of G16, if he'd still be alive and we failed keeping the balance he'd come back and whoop us.
Dragons always were kinda Chill about the whole thing with the exception of a few greedy ones and those that are specifically on the Fomorian side. Cromm is more of a Dragon similiar to Legatus or even Beokros from Vindicitus, He sees Fomorians, Milletians and Humans as just other beings that are sad to look at for their constant wars against each other.
Generation 8:
How did the Memory Tower affect Kelpie, a human, when it's supposed to affect Tuatha de Danann ELVES ONLY?
- It's never said it can't affect Humans, it's only said it is used to store the memorie of the Tuatha-Elves. We know exactly that Castanea can probably use it on whoever she wants, with the exception of Milletians and some other Entities.
Generation 9:
Why the hell does our character forget who Cichol is?
- We did? Guess he wasn't that memorable of an enemy in G1-3
Generation 10:
What's with the connection between Elatha and Morgant?
- Speculated is that Lugh Lavada and Neamhain had 1 or two Children which were Elatha and Triona. We know Triona is refered to as a Human by Morgant himself when he reveals to Ruairi that he indeed is a Human and not something else (Fomor is wrongly used anyways since the Fomors are an Alliance, not a race) Triona however also is refered to as a vessel for Macha or a fit sacrifice to summon Macha, the only other Entity capable of that is Millia in Saga S1 which has great divine power and is a possible Half-Milletian as the race of her Father is shrouded in mystery.
Elatha as well is a Demigod as the Child of Neamhain.
Elatha and Triona have a similiar Hair Color.
Tho not Confirmed Elatha and Triona may be siblings and the children of Lugh Lavada/Morgant and Neamhain/Irinid.
Generation 11:
So how in the world did Cai come back, when he died and shit in G9 and 10?
- As mentioned by Neamhain Cai didn't die actually, he became the Caliburn, Cai was barely alive still and it's possible that due to being barely alive, Nao could revive him.
Generation 12:
Who's the Fourth Vate?
- Speculated now is that it's Professor J, in the past however it was implied sometimes the 4th Vate was actually not Human, Elf or Giant. it remains unknown unless they specifically state J to be the Fourth Vate at some point.
How did Cichol resurrect from the dead?
- Jenna did not use the REAL Brionac, he was only temporarily dead at that point, if you follow the storyline you realize that after G10, the Caliburn was in the Milletian, we became the Caliburn and due to being Milletians we reacted differently than Cai and were not possessed by it. Only the Brionac that was fused with the Caliburn can kill Gods. Later we also get to know that Nuadha absorbed/sealed the power of the Brionac and we need to get the Falias Treasures to unlock it again.
and before the Question arrises why we couldn't kill Nuadha: He was near Absolute, the Brionac can only kill lesser Gods.
Generation 15:
IIRC Shakespeare's Journal implies that the children of the Partholon became the Tuatha de Danann. However, Tarlach's Record says they're foreigners to Erinn?
- Wrong, Shakespeare's Journal never implies something like that. The only time i can see the Partholonian kids being mentioned is that he saved them, we know he did but they were killed later on anyways.
Shakespeare's Journal Page 16 depicts Morrighan and Cichol fighting. However, in G11 Python Knight says that they worked TOGETHER to eradicate the Partholons, which occurs in Page 24 of Journal.
- Morrighan and Cichol always fought each other, the alliance against the Partholonians was merely a temporary thing. Much like Neamhain and Cichol had a temporary alliance during G10 which then broke when Cichol betrayed her. Tho there's no record of Neamhain and Cichol fighting before that point, devCat pretty much killed off Neamhain and rarely uses her anymore, much like they killed off Macha and only briefly let her appear in Saga S1.
Shakespeare said Grim Reaper and Bran DIED. How'd they come back?
- Tho unanswered they're the Guardians of Avon, set to their jobs by Morrighan.... i'm pretty sure Morrighan can just summon a new one when they die.
Generation 16:
How is there Scathach x Owen, how did Scathach get cursed, blah blah etc etc.
- Tho unanswered it may be a curse by Morrighan, Cichol or any other god or simply because she was in the area when Scathach Beach was polluted.
How the fucking hell did Triona die?
- Injury/exhaustion, We know that Millia as well is in a Coma. however Millia had a place to return to, with the Shamans caring for her, Morgant/Lugh was kind of an Outcast due to being a Fomorian and only maybe had access to Fomorian Healers and such at that point, it's entirely possible Triona died because she couldn't get the treatment she needed at that point.
How the fuck did Morrighan/Bella get a hold of Lugh?
- Bella is the Emissary of Destruction and can influence even the Milletians, so it was easy for her to trick Lugh till the point where he went totally insane and saw thru the ruse. Morrighan being a Goddess may as well be able to track down everyone in the world as seen by Cichol, Morrighan and Neamhain appearing before many NPCs at all times with Cichol even appearing before us at the start of G11.
Weren't Tara folks possessed before Lugh kicked Eirawen out of Tara? Why aren't they possessed anymore in Secret Meeting?
- They were, why they're not anymore is hard to say but maybe something relating to us doing stuff and Bella maybe losing track of all the people she'd need to brainwash and it wearing off for some or (i don't remember G16's chronological order anymore) Bella purposely made it wear off due to realizing the Milletian only wants to help the Tuatha and not destroy the World and seeing that she can stabilize the Soul Stream when she herself dies.
Who the fuck is Bella, where the fuck did she come from, does she even have a proper backstory BEFORE meeting Shakespeare? All I got from Cichol was that she's some bitch whose power rivals the Milletian's.
- As said, the Emissary of Destruction that Rivals the BRIONAC, not us. The Brionac is the Emissary of Creation. She does not have much of a Backstory but she's a Deity either on par or above Nao's level and below Morrighan's.
Who's the fourth Guardian of Avon?
- either Bella or the spot never was Taken and was supposed to be filled by the Milletian. We don't know.
Eirawen says Lugh's weapon is Pragarah. However, he gave it to Ruairi in Generation 3, so how did he get it back?
- Notice that Ruairi doesn't have Pragarah in G8 onwards anymore. Lugh probably took it back at the end of G3.
Generation 17:
What's with that scene where Millia knocks Shamala unconscious?
- Maybe a preview to the Shaman-Test where Millia has to punch different illusions?
Saga 1 Episode 1:
Why are elves and giants guarding the Mysterious Karu Forest Ruins?
- Because the Elves and Giants started claiming the new Ruins and Artifacts that appear after Irinid's Curse on the land starts to wear off.
What's this "Finest Marble" that Millia told us to get?
- What's the Black Sunlight Herb? What's a Black Tailed Mongooses White tail? Haven't you realized that Akule just made us search random things at some point?
What's with Digo leading us and then we suddenly become a Cessair puppet?
- OMG A GOBLIN WORKING FOR THE EVIL ONES!!!! HOW SHOCKING!
Saga 1 Episode 2:
Why did our Charm do jack shit against the Cessair, when Akule had thousands of working ones?
- Because the Charm we had was not to protect us -.- it was to free Shamala.... How retarded do you have to be to not realize that?
Saga 1 Episode 3:
Uh... So why do the Dragons obediently follow the Cessair, despite their "fun" occasionally being ruined by them?
- They owe the Black Mask / Tarlach for freeing them?
Saga 1 Episode 4:
Was Millia really able to make a Charm from the materials that Akule tricked us into getting? He said that they had other uses.
Yes she was, with the help of Akule/Lelach then revealing the TRUE last material.
Saga 1 Episode 6:
What the fuck happened to Millia's daddy after?
- He died dumbo -.- or was turned into a demon. depending on if he indeed was a Milletian or just devCat too lazy to design a Male guy to run around so they used an Hebona Robe wearing dude.
Saga 1 Episode 7:
Why the fuck does our character have no actual reaction to Akule's return?
- Probably the same reason why nobody else seems too surprised: We already suspected Lelach to be Akule.
Saga 1 Side Story:
If Tuatha de Danann can't fucking age, why does Tarlach's Record say so? Why are so many characters depicted as young?
- Tuathas do Age, they just Age slower than Milletians (to be completly honest with you: Tuatha de dannan age like real humans while milletians age per week in Tuatha eyes)
How the fuck did Ruairi/Tarlach get into the Soul Stream?
- Mothaducking Druid Magic!
So if Tuatha de Danann get rapid aging by coming into contact with the Soul Stream, why didn't Cai show any difference in age and appearance?
- Cai didn't link to the Soul Stream, he just was there for a few minutes.
Saga 1 Episode 8:
How in the fucking hell did Tarlach learn Gods were a bunch of B.S.?
- He was told in G1 that Morrighan was the cause of his, Ruairi's and Mari's demise.
- He cooperated with us, we were friends so it was honestly no surprise he'd know about the shit the Gods pull.
How do people know of Tarlach's existence, when he isolated himself into Sidhe Sneachta?
- Which people in particular? i only know about Duncan, Kristell, Meven and Lassar to know he's probably still alive: Duncan because he knows it, Kristell because we delivered the Rose to her in G1, Lassar and Meven for the same reason since Tarlach gave the Rose to Meven to keep and Lassar was required to revive it after all the time passed.
How was Tarlach able to get to the Soul Stream and fuck it up?
- MOTHADUCKING DRUID MAGIC!!!!!
How the fuck did Tarlach/Ruairi meet the Cessair?
- Chance encounter?`ever heard of that? maybe they posted a search form for God-hating people who want to fuck shit up?
Saga 1 Episode 9:
What's this Tree of Life and Golden Apple thingy that Tarlach is talking about?
- Falias Treasures, seriously?
The thing with Ruairi confronting Gael... it just abruptly ends. What happened after? He clearly aged in that Episode 6 RP so he must have left, gone to the soul stream, and came back?
- *fast forward to Gael and her husband running away from something and Gael sending her husband with Millia to Cor* >>
What the fuck did Ruairi do to Adniel?
- Maybe he just Blacklisted him, y'know we don't know all the details about the powers they got from linking to the Soul stream, maybe they can friend and blacklist people now too
How does Tarlach have Lia Fail in his possession?
- "Here's the Lia Fail, with best wishes: Cichol and the Fomorian Alliance", no honestly, it's possible Cichol never removed it from the spot it was at so anyone could've gone to Baol and retrieved it.
Saga 1 Episode 10:
How did Macha get resurrected, when the ritual was interrupted?
- If you'd pay attention you'd know she wasn't fully revived, us beating her sent her back to where she came from.
What the hell did Tarlach meant by "stop the demons" when we attack Lia Fail?
- We're Demons.... well we can be turned to demons!
The hell did Tarlach "understand" before defeating Macha?
- His Fate.
... Why does Macha look a lot like Heart?
- That is a difficult one, but from a non-lore state i'd say: Lazyness designing NPCs, honestly Aveline looks a lot like Heart too sometimes.
From a more Lore Standpoint: The Cessair hate the Gods, mainly Irinid but maybe also Morrighan, Macha and Cichol. Dian Cecht seperated her Emotions from herself and became Dian while her Emotions retained the name Cecht.
Dian thought that Emotions are weakness so it would be a logical move to give said "Weakness" a hated appearance.
Is the Soul Stream still a hellhole?
- NO
Saga 2 Episode 1:
Where the fuck did Culinary Artist disappear to?
- Sexy Time with Gordon..... err i mean, maybe looking for stuff?
Why the fuck is there a Possessed Neid? It looked nothing like the "demons" that the Cessair controlled, especially with the weird symbol on its back.
- We don't fight against the low Cessair Anymore also Neid isn't a Milletian, only Possessed Milletians turn into Demons. If you don't want to read what the NPCs are telling you, don't make such stupid threads, you're just making yourself look dumber than you already look.
Didn't J clearly say he was going to carry the church donations? How the fuck are they blaming Merlin when his grubby hands weren't near them?
- Merlin is a POWERFUL Druid! Don't underestimate his Magical "beam that item into my hands" Magic!!!! Or He just annoyed J till he was allowed to carry them. even tho the annoying one would fit Merlin more
How the fuck does Aodhan FORGET US when he clearly remember us in G16?
- Plot hole in.... wait he forgot us? he was pretty much remembering me.... maybe they forgot to accomondate that in G16 and did it here.... Male Chars never get to know Aodhan after all as they're doomed to interact with Eavan instead.
Saga 2 Episode 2:
Where the fuck did Starlet and J disappear to?
- Eh? They didn't they go do random chores?
J says he owes us a favor, but will that ever get repaid?
- No, He's an Alchemist, they never keep their promises, like Puppeteers, Ninjas, and all the other Not-Warrior Guys QQ *jk*
Exactly what the fuck was Tarlach having nightmares about?
- Answering this Thread :/ (His memories of course, he started to remember)
What's with the very crude drawing that Tarlach had after he disappeared?
- Nightmares.
Why the fuck is there a Possessed Crumena, especially after he DIED in G8?
- Was he Confirmed dead? did any NPC say he died?
Saga 2 Episode 3:
Whatever happened to the Fomor Bandits, Languhiris, etc.?
- The Fomor Bandits are lurking behind Tree and Rock costume kits for idiot Commerce people who don't see them, Languiris chills out a few times, appearing whenever he is called, He also somehow broke Bhafel's seal but idk how.
Just what reason did the Cessair have to kill the Spanish mafia?
- What reason did we have to kill these Brown foxes in the Beginner Quests?
What's with the connection between TH and Shamala?
- Let's see, Same hair Color, Same Eye Color, Same Skin tone, Shamala's real heritage not being revealed ever.
Nah there's no way they could be Siblings, they're even about the same age! how could they be Siblings!
Honestly: not revealed but hinted that Shamala maybe is also one of the Childs of Birren and Bith.
How did the Book of Bith react to Millia and what the hell was she referring to?
- The Book of Bith is a Dark Book of the Cessair, Millia is a highly capable Shaman, they react to each other because reasons, also she was refering to the Events to come.
Weren't the Cessair at Renes? How are they taking off from Sulfur Pits?
- They beat Crumena and were bug-warped to the Sulfur Pits :/
Saga 2 Episode 4:
What was the point of disguising Pinky when it did literally nothing but confuse Merlin?
- They tried confusing the Cessair.
Why is there a portal placed in Metus?
- Why is there a Mana Tunnel placed near Ant-Hell exit and another just a few miles away?
Just what was that labyrinth before Nemeton?
- Security System.....
Saga 2 Episode 5:
Just what is Nemeton?
- A sealed off World where the Cessair Clan lives since it's the only place where the actual Cessair can live without dying.
How the fuck did Cessair knock us unconscious, when we HAVE THE FUCKING CHARM?!
- We don't have the Charm anymore? It exploded in our faces in E6
Why did Neamhain banish the Cessair?
- Why did Morrighan eradicate the Partholonians?
What the hell happened to Pincara, where the Cessair exiled themselves to?
Nemeton is a City/complex in Pincara or Pincara is the Complex within their own little World Nemeton.
Who was the "savior of prophecy" the Cessair found when returning to Erinn?
- Probably Birren.
How did Birren get into Pincara?
- By being Birren and having Some Bed-Exercise with Bith maybe
How does Merlin know of a God Fragment?
- Did he know before Ruairi mentioned?
How did Tarlach get the "God Fragment" inside him?
- Macha doing her Goddess-Tricks again.
So if Dian's magic doesn't affect Milletians, how is it that her minion's magic does?
- Different Magic abilities. How is it that Ice Magic doesn't really affect me with full Ice elemental Gear but Fire Magic does?
Saga 2 Episode 6:
Milletian: "The child will be sacrificed either way." How in the world do we know the contents of the ritual, and why would we still be pushing forward if we knew that would happen?
- Because fuck Tarlach, and because they're not really secretive about their rituals.
So... is Merlin part of the Alban Knights or not? If he is, he clearly broke one of their oaths and I hope the knights send him down to hell.
- He's not. Merlin is one of the Aces which consist of Him, Starlet, J and the Culinary Artists at the start of the Saga S2. He does not show any trace of being an Alban Knight at all.
Generation 19:
Didn't they say Marcan was captured by the Alban Knights? How is he with the other Prophets then?
- Didn't they say Antonio was captured and imprisoned by the people of Belvast? How is he with Basanio later on?
Obviously the others free'd him, do you really think a few Alban Knights can deal with the power of two Prophet's Combined?
Also Marcan is dumb, he probably wasn't worth keeping XD
Kapra wrote on 2015-01-20 22:25
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1) Tuatha de Danannan age in real time, a week our time is not a year their time. This is specifically noted in multiple books throughout (or at least 1 or 2)
Where does it say that? I thought 1 real week WAS 1 real year ingame, it's just that Tuatha's age slow. 1 real week is like 280 or something days ingame, after all.
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2) Shakespeare is a millitian and he's supposed to be REALLY shakespeare, like the real shakespeare like us ended up in erinn, at least that's what a few things I've read in the early shakespeare gens said, that being said, there is also the parth thing, so who knows, maybe they decided to make millitians an actual thing. Initially millitians being from another universe was just an easter egg/nod to the fans like "eh, see waht we did there?", I find it more entertaining to think that our characters are inter-dimensional saiyans.
I don't understand what you're getting at here.
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3) The more likely Lugh story is that the real Lugh was tossed into Avon for years until he mentally broke, Morgant on the other hand used the Lugh identity to manipulate Ruairi, in direct relation to how cichol tricked morgant by acting like morrighan
Think you mean Mores. Morgant never worked with Morrighan, he did work with Cichol though. He wasn't tricked into thinking Cichol was Morrighan, like Mores and the others were.
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4) Morgant bonked Naemhain, who wouldn't, her and Shamala are out of this world.
You have no proof of that, there is no way to say Morgant is Elatha's father.
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Bring forth manannan mac lir, have him flood a continent or something, I don't expect to fight him but bring him forth character wise, he'd be too powerful based on the scale of his character and what he is, the same can be said about danu, but I'd still like one of them to show up to make the other gods sweat and back off. :P
Danu and Manannan aren't the big gods. Also, I thought Manannan was dead? If you talk to the Falias Gatekeeper after finishing G12, he tells you he's one of Manannan's sons. The big gods are:
- Lymilark
- Hymerark
- Jeamiderark
- Aton Cimeni
Everyone else is Morrighan/Nuadha-tiered. Well some of them like Danu isn't really mentioned, but Manannan is.
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Also another thing, Cichol is the heir to Balor, ie Balor was what Cichol was in c1, what happened to balor? Was he killed by Lugh like in the mythology? I doubt it since that would have been pretty important.
The unreleased portion of Belvast Island is Tory Ravine. It's named after Tory Island, which is where Balor lived. And apparently, according to NPC dialogue in belvast and G16 (maybe G15 too?), a dead body washed up ashore on Tory Ravine then Admiral Owen all of a sudden paniced and ordered immediate evacuation of Tory Ravine. And people don't really know why. And supposedly, the haze is stronger in Tory Ravine than in Beach of Scathach. So who knows, maybe we'll hear more of Balor (or even see a revival?) when Tory Ravine gets expanded. I kind of hope they add a seal stone to Tory Ravine when they do, though story wise, there being a seal stone there would make no sense.
Speaking of old book story, it'd be nice to see the Imp Queen and the dead tree in Fiodh Forest.
FistFullOfSponge wrote on 2015-01-21 07:13
Nuadha IS a lesser god, same with Cichol, Morrighan, etc etc.
Nuadha is king of the gods because he was a king made god, he was a human before he died.
Aton Cimeni is the omnipotent (assumed) god who created the universe and who turned kristell from a succubus to a human.
Lymilark is the goddess who created life/erg and is the right hand of aton cimeni.
Manannan mac Lir is the god of the ocean.
Danu is the earth goddess
^ Those are the gods that brionic can't kill, Nuadha survived because he's not a mindless monster and is an established personality so they didn't want to kill him.
The one who drew Nuadha as alive but tied to a tree is in another chapter (ie different director) than the one we beat Nuadha in.
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Where does it say that? I thought 1 real week WAS 1 real year ingame, it's just that Tuatha's age slow. 1 real week is like 280 or something days ingame, after all.
I don't understand what you're getting at here.
Think you mean Mores. Morgant never worked with Morrighan, he did work with Cichol though. He wasn't tricked into thinking Cichol was Morrighan, like Mores and the others were.
You have no proof of that, there is no way to say Morgant is Elatha's father.
Danu and Manannan aren't the big gods. Also, I thought Manannan was dead? If you talk to the Falias Gatekeeper after finishing G12, he tells you he's one of Manannan's sons. The big gods are:
- Lymilark
- Hymerark
- Jeamiderark
- Aton Cimeni
Everyone else is Morrighan/Nuadha-tiered. Well some of them like Danu isn't really mentioned, but Manannan is.
The unreleased portion of Belvast Island is Tory Ravine. It's named after Tory Island, which is where Balor lived. And apparently, according to NPC dialogue in belvast and G16 (maybe G15 too?), a dead body washed up ashore on Tory Ravine then Admiral Owen all of a sudden paniced and ordered immediate evacuation of Tory Ravine. And people don't really know why. And supposedly, the haze is stronger in Tory Ravine than in Beach of Scathach. So who knows, maybe we'll hear more of Balor (or even see a revival?) when Tory Ravine gets expanded. I kind of hope they add a seal stone to Tory Ravine when they do, though story wise, there being a seal stone there would make no sense.
Speaking of old book story, it'd be nice to see the Imp Queen and the dead tree in Fiodh Forest.
1) A book in chapter 1, Tarlach was researching the difference in time and took note that millitians evaluated time at a different rate than tuatha de danann, I'm fairly certain it was one of the generation books in g1-3. I read it in game.
2) If you evaluate millitians as players in the real world, Shakespeare is supposed to be his real self put into the game world, and since he was alive way before any of us players, he was the first millitian. If you evaluate it not as that, then he's simply the first millitian to show up.
3) Yeah Mores, it was me thinking of Mores but writing Morgant.
You saying that any god not on aton cimeni/lymilark level is on nuadha/morrighan level is silly and isn't supported by any evidence. Nuadha was a human who transcended. Morrighan and Cichol seem to have been non gods that transcended as well. On the other hand, manannan mac lir and danu are gods that represent a certain part of the world. Mananann mac Lir is prayed and worshiped so that he can control the ocean. But yes, if that doesn't prove it, realize that mabinogi works around a multiverse, imagine how much ocean there is, and imagine him as pretty much the poseidon of the mabinogi verse. A true god is a god, like Danu and Mananann. Compared to the scale that they were painted in and their role, it makes nuadha, morrighan, and cichol look like high leveled mages only.
The fact is that Nuadha is big news in the mythology, but in mabinogi he's not portrayed beyond a simple minor god. Cichol and the rest of them seem more like gods like morpheus and not ones like zeus and poseidon.
But yeah, neither of us have proof, but my argument seems more plausible from outward looking in considering an ocean god and earth goddess surely outrank human turned gods who are scrambling around trying to follow daddy's path.
In g1, cichol and morrighan debate to each other on which is living in the way of aton cimeni and who is right. Manannan Mac Lir, Danu, etc etc are not throwing their personal emotions into things, the fact that they aren't rolling around in the mud with the rest of them makes it seem that they are stronger as well.
Danu and Manannan are painted in a much higher regard and unless they are used, we should assume they are on a higher level given their significance on a universal scale.
Kapra wrote on 2015-01-22 02:47
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Nuadha IS a lesser god, same with Cichol, Morrighan, etc etc.
Nuadha is king of the gods because he was a king made god, he was a human before he died.
Do you have any proof to this statement? Nuadha was the God King of the Humans, not a Human King turned God.
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Aton Cimeni is the omnipotent (assumed) god who created the universe and who turned kristell from a succubus to a human.
Lymilark is the goddess who created life/erg and is the right hand of aton cimeni.
Manannan mac Lir is the god of the ocean.
Danu is the earth goddess
^ Those are the gods that brionic can't kill, Nuadha survived because he's not a mindless monster and is an established personality so they didn't want to kill him.
As a big fan of Manannan mac Lir (and Lir himself), I'm surprised I haven't heard this. Where in the game does it mention Manannan and Danu being on par with the other higher gods? And I don't recall anything about the Brionac being unable to kill the higher gods.
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1) A book in chapter 1, Tarlach was researching the difference in time and took note that millitians evaluated time at a different rate than tuatha de danann, I'm fairly certain it was one of the generation books in g1-3. I read it in game.
My point was that the Milletian time is a real year, not the Tuatha time. Towards the end of
Tarlach's Record, Tarlch concludes that the best explanation is that the Milletian timeline is the correct one, not the Tuatha.
"But when you think about memory and time as related phenomena, a single explanation is reached. It is perhaps that time has indeed passed, as the Milletians claim, and that because of our, Tuatha Dé Dananns' that is, loss of memory, we are unable to know that..."
That being said. A year for a Milletian is still a year for a Tuatha. The Tuathas just age at a much slower rate and have greater memory issues. (Memory issues seems to be a really common problem. . .)
So then, other than the Tuatha Elves whom have/had the Memory Tower, how is it that any Generation NPC seems to remember us and not regular NPCs?
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2) If you evaluate millitians as players in the real world, Shakespeare is supposed to be his real self put into the game world, and since he was alive way before any of us players, he was the first millitian. If you evaluate it not as that, then he's simply the first millitian to show up.
I still don't understand the plothole you're trying to describe or resolve here. No one said a Milletian from the 2000s Earth HAS to come to Erinn before a Milletian from the 2800s Earth. The more interesting thing about this is, the DevCAT director of Chapter 4 tried to use Mabi as a possible explanation of Shakespeare's Lost Years.
A thing to note is that Shakespeare had two major spans of historical record. If his time in C4 was his first Span, it's possible he'll come back later on. It's also possible that he at some point did leave and come back. In which case, the parts of G13+ where we see him and he gets ideas for his plays would more likely be the second Span.
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You saying that any god not on aton cimeni/lymilark level is on nuadha/morrighan level is silly and isn't supported by any evidence.
It's silly to say any god is or isn't on their level without evidence. So I'm sorry, you're right, we are both incorrect.
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Nuadha was a human who transcended.
Again no proof.
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On the other hand, manannan mac lir and danu are gods that represent a certain part of the world. Mananann mac Lir is prayed and worshiped so that he can control the ocean. But yes, if that doesn't prove it, realize that mabinogi works around a multiverse, imagine how much ocean there is, and imagine him as pretty much the poseidon of the mabinogi verse. A true god is a god, like Danu and Mananann. Compared to the scale that they were painted in and their role, it makes nuadha, morrighan, and cichol look like high leveled mages only.
This paragraph feels like speculation and I'm having trouble taking it seriously.
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Danu and Manannan are painted in a much higher regard and unless they are used, we should assume they are on a higher level given their significance on a universal scale.
No. Please no assumptions please. Don't assume they are big deals or aren't big deals. Assumptions are almost never good.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-22 06:36
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Game's story is full of fucking plot holes, unanswered questions, and a lot of bullshit. Kinda hard to understand it really.
If Cromm Cruaich was depicted as EVIL, why is he helping us?
- Cromm is not actually Evil, He's an entity that is only out for the balance of the world, He's much like Morrighan at the end of G16, if he'd still be alive and we failed keeping the balance he'd come back and whoop us.
Dragons always were kinda Chill about the whole thing with the exception of a few greedy ones and those that are specifically on the Fomorian side. Cromm is more of a Dragon similiar to Legatus or even Beokros from Vindicitus, He sees Fomorians, Milletians and Humans as just other beings that are sad to look at for their constant wars against each other.
Ehh...? Didn't he side with the Fomors and kill Nuadha or some shit?
Why the hell does our character forget who Cichol is?
- We did? Guess he wasn't that memorable of an enemy in G1-3
Milletian: You are...!
That clearly indicates we didn't remember him.
What the fuck happened to Millia's daddy after?
- He died dumbo -.- or was turned into a demon. depending on if he indeed was a Milletian or just devCat too lazy to design a Male guy to run around so they used an Hebona Robe wearing dude.
I know. But they don't explain the gap between after Gael talking to him and his "death".
If Tuatha de Danann can't fucking age, why does Tarlach's Record say so? Why are so many characters depicted as young?
- Tuathas do Age, they just Age slower than Milletians (to be completly honest with you: Tuatha de dannan age like real humans while milletians age per week in Tuatha eyes)
I know. I linked a thread.
How do people know of Tarlach's existence, when he isolated himself into Sidhe Sneachta?
- Which people in particular? i only know about Duncan, Kristell, Meven and Lassar to know he's probably still alive: Duncan because he knows it, Kristell because we delivered the Rose to her in G1, Lassar and Meven for the same reason since Tarlach gave the Rose to Meven to keep and Lassar was required to revive it after all the time passed.
Monologues said people helped him with his research or some shit.
What's this Tree of Life and Golden Apple thingy that Tarlach is talking about?
- Falias Treasures, seriously?
... So he couldn't just ask us in G12 or something. >.>
The thing with Ruairi confronting Gael... it just abruptly ends. What happened after? He clearly aged in that Episode 6 RP so he must have left, gone to the soul stream, and came back?
- *fast forward to Gael and her husband running away from something and Gael sending her husband with Millia to Cor* >>
EMPTY GAP!
How did Macha get resurrected, when the ritual was interrupted?
- If you'd pay attention you'd know she wasn't fully revived, us beating her sent her back to where she came from.
Yeah, but what caused her to appear?
Is the Soul Stream still a hellhole?
- NO
I don't think it was ever said. Just because the person who caused it died/disappeared doesn't mean a phenomenon he caused was stopped. Nao even said it wasn't cureable without blowing up the Soul Stream.
Why the fuck is there a Possessed Neid? It looked nothing like the "demons" that the Cessair controlled, especially with the weird symbol on its back.
- We don't fight against the low Cessair Anymore also Neid isn't a Milletian, only Possessed Milletians turn into Demons. If you don't want to read what the NPCs are telling you, don't make such stupid threads, you're just making yourself look dumber than you already look.
Hey, lay off the insult D:
How the fuck does Aodhan FORGET US when he clearly remember us in G16?
- Plot hole in.... wait he forgot us? he was pretty much remembering me.... maybe they forgot to accomondate that in G16 and did it here.... Male Chars never get to know Aodhan after all as they're doomed to interact with Eavan instead.
G16: Do you remember when you were becoming a Paladin? Blah Blah blah.
Saga 2: Glad to FINALLY meet you.
Also we do an errand for him in G2, for both genders.
What's with the very crude drawing that Tarlach had after he disappeared?
- Nightmares.
... Not sure what the stick figures and shit and shit represent.
Why the fuck is there a Possessed Crumena, especially after he DIED in G8?
- Was he Confirmed dead? did any NPC say he died?
Given the fact that Crumena said it was a "close call" before pushing us back and Taunes slashed him down... I guess? Even if he didn't die, how'd the Cessair get him and possess him?
Whatever happened to the Fomor Bandits, Languhiris, etc.?
- The Fomor Bandits are lurking behind Tree and Rock costume kits for idiot Commerce people who don't see them, Languiris chills out a few times, appearing whenever he is called, He also somehow broke Bhafel's seal but idk how.
You're joking about the last part... right?
How the fuck did Cessair knock us unconscious, when we HAVE THE FUCKING CHARM?!
- We don't have the Charm anymore? It exploded in our faces in E6
We got a new one in E7.
What the hell happened to Pincara, where the Cessair exiled themselves to?
Nemeton is a City/complex in Pincara or Pincara is the Complex within their own little World Nemeton.
I don't think that was ever said...?
How does Merlin know of a God Fragment?
- Did he know before Ruairi mentioned?
Ruairi said something about Merlin wanted the God Fragment. Dian's pre-fight dialogue implies that Merlin doesn't care about the people around him.
Generation 19:
Didn't they say Marcan was captured by the Alban Knights? How is he with the other Prophets then?
Obviously the others free'd him, do you really think a few Alban Knights can deal with the power of two Prophet's Combined?
Err... Uhm... They could have taken him to their base or w/e and let the "high council" deal with him...? I dunno.
Tetosan wrote on 2015-01-22 14:05
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Game's story is full of fucking plot holes, unanswered questions, and a lot of bullshit. Kinda hard to understand it really.
Ehh...? Didn't he side with the Fomors and kill Nuadha or some shit?
Same as Beokros in Vindictus, Cromm chooses whoever he wants to side with for the sake of the Balance.
Milletian: You are...!
That clearly indicates we didn't remember him.
Or it indicates we're interupted in what we wanted to say. The 3 dots could mean that we don't get to speak further with the ! just indicating we're surprised or something.
I know. But they don't explain the gap between after Gael talking to him and his "death".
Well, he lived with Millia and probably Akule in Cor till they were attacked by the Cessair.
Monologues said people helped him with his research or some shit.
Milletians are people. Again: only the Milletians, Duncan, Kristell and maybe Meven and Lassar knew about his whereabouts, maybe also Morgant but that is not confirmed.
... So he couldn't just ask us in G12 or something. >.>
Why would he ask us about things that he needs in order to destroy the Soul Stream? He's not Dumb, he'd know if he asked us that we'd try to stop him, maybe even kill him.
EMPTY GAP!
No not at all Chronological Order:
Ruairi goes to the Holy Lands of Shamans and meets Gael who makes him the charm for Tarlach to use -> Ruairi returns there to find the Shaman who made the Charm, however the others see his intentions and fight him while some warn Gael who grabs her Child and Husband and flees -> Ruairi Chases them down leading to Gael sending her Husband and Millia to Akule in Cor while she stays back, shortly after Explosion happens (As did when Ruairi attacked us in E6 while we still had the Charm and it exploded) -> Millia and Gael's Husband reach Cor -> Cor gets attacked by the Cessair -> Nightmare/Saga S1 Happens.
Yeah, but what caused her to appear?
The Ritual performed with one who wields Divine Power / Is the Reborn Macha. Tarlach and Ruairi probably performed a similiar or the same Ritual as the one Cichol tried in G3.
I don't think it was ever said. Just because the person who caused it died/disappeared doesn't mean a phenomenon he caused was stopped. Nao even said it wasn't cureable without blowing up the Soul Stream.
It also was said multiple times that the bad effects the Soul Stream and the Milletians' Use of it had on the World only can be stopped by destroying the Soul Stream and killing all Milletians. Strangely enough Morrighan claims that the Bad effects stopped since Bella Sacrificed herself and that.... wait for it..... IT WAS HER FATE ALL ALONG!
So what now? did they even know the Fate of Bella? they always said her fate was to kill all Milletians yet now it was her fate to secure we don't have to be killed?
the Writers change their mind quite often, and maybe the pollution stopped due to Milletians stopping to be turned to demons as much and Ruairi and Tarlach dying.
Hey, lay off the insult D:
Sorry but making a Thread about Plot Holes without even reading the plot is simply dumb :/
G16: Do you remember when you were becoming a Paladin? Blah Blah blah.
Saga 2: Glad to FINALLY meet you.
Also we do an errand for him in G2, for both genders.
I remember being greeted nicely by him as if we were long term friends. then again i'd have to recheck.
... Not sure what the stick figures and shit and shit represent.
Are we talking about the Ones you find AFTER he disappeared or before?
The ones before are kind of a picture Diary of the days with the Aces.
The others are Nightmares probably representing the Cessair and what not. Don't forget he's a Child at that point, he won't Draw you a perfect Portrait of Dian, Ruairi and Cecht.
Given the fact that Crumena said it was a "close call" before pushing us back and Taunes slashed him down... I guess? Even if he didn't die, how'd the Cessair get him and possess him?
Step one: Go to Renes
Step Two: Find Crumena
Step three: Possess him
Step Four: ???
Step Five: Profit!
You're joking about the last part... right?
The Languhiris part is joking yes, refering to the White and Black Dragon Raids there XD, Plotwise we don't know where he disappeared to.
We got a new one in E7.
Really? can't remember Akule giving me one at all.
I don't think that was ever said...?
Not said but i'd assume it is like that. we don't know for sure if Nemeton is the World or the Complex and if there is only one of those or multiple within a World called Pincara/Nemeton
Ruairi said something about Merlin wanted the God Fragment. Dian's pre-fight dialogue implies that Merlin doesn't care about the people around him.
And Ruairi is the Allknowing God of Mind reading who definetly didn't just assume Merlin wanted the God Fragment because HE needed the God fragment.
Flawless logic! NOT!!!
We don't know if Merlin really knew about it before Ruairi mentioned it.
Also Merlin does care about the ones around him, he does care for Starlet, he showed that he cared for Tarlach even if not admitting it, He cared for Treasure Hunter even tho the two had more of a Hate-Friendship and i'd take a wild guess and say that Merlin couldn't let J die either.
Merlin is just too egoistic to show he cares.
Err... Uhm... They could have taken him to their base or w/e and let the "high council" deal with him...? I dunno.
I guess we have to Ask Aveline and Altam why he escaped. but yet, did they mention it was Marcan? i think they only said Ogre and there's multiple Ogres and they maybe just wanted to get intel from that specific Ogre.
FistFullOfSponge wrote on 2015-01-22 23:28
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1) Manannan mac Lir is a 3 headed parrot bird, he appears to be a natural god, while nuadha was a king and champion of the kingdom (proven) and so he was likely a human, then he later lost his arm and died while escaping into the dungeons and was brought back (morrighan was trying to protect him)
This is why Nuadha has the fear of death, because he has literally died before. Cichol was a mortal (fomor or human), Morrighan was a human, Macha was a human at one point and likely was before becoming a god at all, and by default naemhainif the others were was most likely a human.
This isn't baseless speculation, this is a hypothesis upon the grounds of information we were given.
Manannan mac Lir has never been mentioned to be dead by anyone. Manannan mac Lir is worshiped for calm weather and peaceful oceans. This would imply that he not only can control the oceans (which is enough to stomp anyone among the gods), but he also has control of the weather.
Also the fact that Manannan mac Lir's son is on a god level if not above it when he's just one of 9 sons (at that time, he could have more now) and he likely has daughters as well on similar numbers, means that the dad is quite powerful.
The son, the falias gatekeeper states that he's not actually there and is just in your brain, which results in him being damn op. Then on the other hand, that's not the limit of his power, heck the falias gatekeeper could probably hold his own against them, let alone his father.
It's not only an assumption given all this context.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-23 19:04
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Milletians are people. Again: only the Milletians, Duncan, Kristell and maybe Meven and Lassar knew about his whereabouts, maybe also Morgant but that is not confirmed.
Going over the dialogue again, he said something about an Explorer's League, which I'm guessing is referring to Qilla.
Why would he ask us about things that he needs in order to destroy the Soul Stream? He's not Dumb, he'd know if he asked us that we'd try to stop him, maybe even kill him.
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Well...
Sorry but making a Thread about Plot Holes without even reading the plot is simply dumb :/
... But I did... :C
Really? can't remember Akule giving me one at all.
He gives us another one right before we RP as Heart. We ask why he has a cache of charms and why the fuck he sent us on those weird errands.
Morrighan said that Bella's sacrifice stabilized it, making the bad effects of the Milletian's use stop. So nope, it won't harm the world anymore.
Yet Tarlach gets to turn it into a shit hole which doesn't pour its negative influence on Erinn?
Tetosan wrote on 2015-01-24 02:52
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Going over the dialogue again, he said something about an Explorer's League, which I'm guessing is referring to Qilla.
The Milletian pretty much IS part of the Explorer's League / Adventurer's Association or whatever it's called.
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Well...
Tarlach: Milletian, help me find the Tree of Life and the Golden Apple so i can destroy the Soul Stream and free Erinn of the influence by the Gods and Milletians.
Milletian: Err.....
Seriously we're maybe Plot-Dumbed but we're not THAT Dumb.
He gives us another one right before we RP as Heart. We ask why he has a cache of charms and why the fuck he sent us on those weird errands.
Well that thing explodes next time we're hit by Ruairi again anyways so, meh.
Yet Tarlach gets to turn it into a shit hole which doesn't pour its negative influence on Erinn?
It doesn't affect Erinn, only those connected to the Soulstream which are the Milletians, Tarlach, Ruairi and Nao.