[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Magic // 15th of January, 2015

• Tropa wrote on 2015-01-09 07:43
  I like this, keep up the revamps, devcat.
  
  
  I'll be waiting here for a buff to Golem Summoning, Heatbuster and Vivace.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-09 07:59

  Fireball
  Before: Casting Time 5 seconds
  
  Thunder
  Before: Casting Time 3.5 seconds

  
  
  Isn't it 5 seconds pre-Genesis, 4 seconds post for Fireball, and 3.5 pre and 3 post for Thunder?
• Jyu Viole Grace wrote on 2015-01-09 08:21
  I'm impressed by everything that this new director is doing. Everything seems to be going in the right direction, they really should just keep this guy.
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-09 08:24
  This is good stuff...obviously, a lot of it is very latency dependent, but things are definitely looking up for magekind.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-09 08:40

  Quote from JoeyDee9;1260435:

  Minor slice of life improvements to a talent that was lacking. Too back it's still lacking.

  
  
  1. Magic isn't lacking.
  2. Quality of life improvement are exactly what magic has needed since its inception.
  
  What were you expecting? Gunslinger? That's an issue of Gunslinger being too effective, not of everything else being lacking.
  
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  Ice Bolt
  Before: Ice Damage 70~80
  After: Ice Damage 70~80, Mana Vamp upon successful hit, reduce opponent's Movement Speed by 40%
  
  - This is interesting but unimportant.
  
  Lightning Bolt
  Before: Lightning Damage 40~150
  After: Lightning Damage 40~150, 30% extra damage when fully charged, removed expiration timer
  
  ~35k Fire/Lightning, 6k CC Lightning Bolt. Interesting numbers, certainly strong enough to crunch most trash.
  
  Fusion Bolt
  Before: +15% Damage
  After: +30% Damage
  
  Appreciated; Firebolt is curiously absent.
  
  Snap Cast
  Before: Cooldown Time 3 minutes
  After: Cooldown Time 1 minute
  
  This is a pretty significant change. Double Thunder is indeed potent.
  
  Magic Shield (Natural, Lightning, Ice, Fire)
  After: Casting Time removed
  
  Those skills have needed this for a long time. Now, give us some attacks to block.
  
  Fireball
  Before: Casting Time 5 seconds
  After: Casting Time 2 seconds, Fireball falls faster
  
  Fireball might be viable after this update.
  
  Ice Spear
  After: You can attack frozen monsters, with reduced damage
  
  Ice Spear is 100% broken after this update.
  
  Thunder
  Before: Casting Time 3.5 seconds
  After: Casting Time 2 seconds
  
  Pretty much all usage of Thunder should be via Snap Cast, so this is minor.
  
  Hail Storm
  Before: Initial Casting Time 6.5 seconds
  After: Initial Casting Time 3 seconds, skill duration timer is added under HP bar, number of skillshots charged are shown in skill
  
  Quality of life; appreciated but minor
  
  Shockwave
  Before: Cooldown Time 120 seconds
  After: Cooldown Time 25 seconds
  
  The lengthy cooldown hasn't really been an issue; this isn't really needed.
  
  Meteor Strike
  Before: Casting Time 10 seconds, Cooldown Time 30 minutes
  After: Casting Time 4 seconds, Cooldown Time 15 minutes
  
  Thank god. Hopefully they do something about the variable damage output.

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-09 08:53

  - You can buy Exploration Journal pages from Adventurer Shop, using Adventurer Seals.
  - Meditation Skill Books 'The First Steps of Meditation' and 'Effective Meditation' are now in normal NPC shops instead of Hidden Shops, sold by Stewart and Aeira.

  
  
  Kinda dumb. Makes all our hard work for nothing. How much are the pages for in the seal shop?
  
  

  Shockwave
  Before: Cooldown Time 120 seconds
  After: Cooldown Time 25 seconds

  
  
  Just why...? Doesn't it already have a cooldown reset?
  
  
  At least magic had most of its drawbacks taken away. The Lightning Bolt auto cancel, Magic Shield load time, and Meteor Strike times were ridiculous and silly. I don't exactly care about the rest though.
  
  However, if they were able to take away magic flaws, why didn't they do it for melee?
  
  Now for questions:
  

  
  
  • Mana vampire, as it actually STEALS mana? Or is it just a restoration, no stealing?
    
  • Rate of Icebolt's movement speed reduction?
    
  • Lightning Bolt extra damage 30% for all ranks?
    
  • What is Fireball's impact time now?
    
  • Ice Spear's frozen enemy reduced damage?
    
  • Monster, pets, partners, and NPCs receive these changes? Considering that they weren't affected in Genesis or Melee Renovation, I doubt it.
    
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-09 09:04
  Okay I just datamined and have confirmed everything in the first post except I found one very weird thing. Lightning bolt's damage bonus is influenced by dan ranks. At r1, the full charge damage bonus is 26%, not 30%. It is 30% at Dan 3. Icebolt's new bling doesn't seem to be influenced by Dan ranks. And yes, no change to Firebolt.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1260450:

  Kinda dumb. Makes all our hard work for nothing. How much are the pages for in the seal shop?
  

  
  Should've been like that since the beginning. This is the same attitude as people complaining new players have it easier now, just butthurt that it was harder when they were new.
  
  
  I don't get the new Shockwave update.
  
  
  Meteor Strike didn't need a cooldown reduction, just faster casting speed.
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-09 09:09
  The pages were originally meant to slow down access to content to keep the wow factor rolling for as long as possible. At this long removed time, they only serve to hurt people who weren't around when the content the pages drop in was actually being run.
  
  Consider how hard it was to find certain pages that dropped in obsolete dungeons.
• Entia wrote on 2015-01-09 09:20

  Quote from Oberynn;1260441:

  I would think casting speed 20 with 40% upgrade fireball + magic weapon mastery/int and fixed speed stacking would make fireball wreck so hard it's not even funny.

  
  
  Casting speed stacking isn't and never has been broken, int magic just has a min cast time (2 seconds for fireball, I believe .8 for ice spear, and thunder I dont remember off the top of my head since it's been a while) that you can see via packet sniffing and verify with testing (being sure to account for your latency to the server too), bolt magic on the other hand doesnt have a min casting time thus your firebolts will still speed up on the supposedly "broken" speed p2w+speed upgraded phoenix wands.
  
  As for the changes they've made on the test server, like Joey I find them lackluster outside of being able to hit things through ice spear finally, which is sadly ruined by melee still being broken and smash making monsters invincible through ice spear and nullifying it's damage, as well as the pointless 50% damage reduction. While I understand Kaeporo's camp about shooter being too effective, and frankly ninja and puppet too, I don't believe nerfs for those skillsets are what we need, I personally feel that the older skillsets should be revamped to be as efficient and effective while still having their own unique play styles and uses. I had my hopes up that that this string of "revamps" devcat is making would do that, and then new content would be added and designed around the newly rebalanced skillsets and the existing ones to provide a decent level of reward and difficulty, but so far they've just given us a bit more power creep and I'm going to be upfront here, regardless of how much power creep they give us the missions we've been running since g9 arent going to be more rewarding for us using more potions and taking longer to finish so why use anything less effective?
  
  I'm not one of those people that just blindly hates on everything devcat does, these are just my honest opinions, I would love to see mabi active again and have a decent stream of new content to keep players around instead of losing them all from the only new "content" being new gacha clothes and wings.
  
  Also seconding Tropa about Golem, Heatbuster, and Vivace buffs, much needed.
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-09 09:25
  I think the goal with these changes is to make the skillset feel better to play with, not to buff it up to broken levels. It's probably intended to help the people that use said skillset despite it's disadvantages more than those who are only concerned with maximizing efficiency.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-01-09 09:30
  Everytime i look at someone play mabi, it's all about being pretty. You honestly think they would make this game rewarding again?
  
  I mean come on, they have shown no signs of putting anything remotely hard so far. But then again, mostly everyone on nation is pretty damn up there in levels
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-09 09:39
  All I can really ask for right now is:
  

  
  
  • If there is going to be percent based damage attacks, there needs to be percent based HP/MP/SP potions. Although this is a Potion Making change, it'd have a huge impact on Magic.
    
  • Repair fees need to go down for Wands, Staves, and Cylinders too.
    
  • I kind of wish Mobile Casting was better than it is, but no change is fine too I guess.
    

  
  
  Wasn't really expecting much else and I am pleased.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-09 09:52

  Quote from Kapra;1260460:

  Repair fees need to go down for Wands, Staves, and Cylinders too.