[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Magic // 15th of January, 2015

• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-09 10:28

  Quote from Kapra;1260462:

  Not for the rate of durability loss they have. But I guess the current fees would be acceptable if magic weapons and cylinders lost durability at a slower rate.

  
  
  Melee: 0.03
  Range: 0.03
  Magic: 0.02
  Alchemy: 0.011
  
  - Magic skills tend to flat out kill groups of enemies.
  - They consume durability at a lower rate than other weapons, per hit.
  - Repair fees are easily reduced to 40% of their standard repair cost, at practically no cost to damage.
  
  Compare to:
  
  - Alchemic skills burn both your regular and your guard cylinder's durability at once.
  - Alchemic skills burn durability based on charge count, with Chain Cylinder Water Cannon costing 0.055 per use.
  -- Not to mention shock/flame burst/etc.
  - You can't slap on engineer's to cut costs without slashing damage nor do they have a unique discount.
• Daakun wrote on 2015-01-09 10:43
  Saw the title and was thinking "DON'T YOU DARE **** UP MY MAGIC". Turns out it's mostly small buffs, so that's nice.
  Hope they didn't nerf the Snap Cast Master title due to the base cooldown being reduced.
  
  Pretty hyped for the lightning bolt stack bonus, looks like it'll be useful for more than 1 charge ice/lightning fusion again.
  
  Wish they'd notice it's actually a bad idea to rank Spellwalk all the way to r1.
  The stamina drain rate/move speed inverse rank deal means there's no reason toggle it on except when moving into range for a normal cast int magic + snap cast int magic combo.
  It's either too slow to use for anything else or too expensive to use for anything else; only real benefit to ranking it is the 10 int.
  What brings the face fully into the palm is the mastery title reducing mana cost (like you do anything that needs mana while it's on) instead of reducing the stamina cost.
• Fracture wrote on 2015-01-09 11:35

  Quote from Kaeporo;1260464:

  You can't slap on engineer's to cut costs without slashing damage nor do they have a unique discount.

  
  
  Today I learned about the enchant I need to slap on like half my gear. r9 with rank regardless enabled is really sweet for a -50% price slash.
• Qnjo wrote on 2015-01-09 12:46

  Exploration Journal pages from Adventurer Shop

  
  Oh my god, I'm ho happy right now I'm crying. No more nightmares about Karu dungeon:ran_nao:
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-01-09 13:10

  Quote from Slayerj;1260463:

  I think we all need to just take a step back and realize that this is day one. We have no idea when they intend on releasing this part of renovation, how many changes it will go through, or what else will happen.
  
  It's fine to critique it, but I feel like people are being waaaaay too critical on the first day of this.

  
  
  I second this notion but I'm just about given hope on this community. People will rip anything devcat attempts apart. It's bad enough where I don't really want to gather any info anymore but that appears to be fine as there's more than enough people these days to fill in that gap of information than there was before so fudge it.
  
  That aside, the changes they have done show a lot of promise and I'm liking what they've changed so far quite a bit. It will definitely be a big help for me as I'm a big time firebolt spammer and it works fucking amazing. Too amazing though. The changes to fireball and chain casting will allow me to kill solo Girgashiy much faster though. Maybe in 4 minutes instead of 6. I might be able to fully finish my firebolt x4 -> fireball combo 100% of the time instead of 10% of the time with these changes :chin:
  
  People really need to stop being so fucking narrow minded and shitting on these update imo.
• Fracture wrote on 2015-01-09 13:17

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1260471:

  I second this notion but I'm just about given hope on this community. People will rip anything devcat attempts apart. It's bad enough where I don't really want to gather any info anymore but that appears to be fine as there's more than enough people these days to fill in that gap of information than there was before so fudge it.
  
  That aside, the changes they have done show a lot of promise and I'm liking what they've changed so far quite a bit. It will definitely be a big help for me as I'm a big time firebolt spammer and it works fucking amazing. Too amazing though. The changes to fireball and chain casting will allow me to kill solo Girgashiy much faster though. Maybe in 4 minutes instead of 6. I might be able to fully finish my firebolt x4 -> fireball combo 100% of the time instead of 10% of the time with these changes :chin:
  
  People really need to stop being so fucking narrow minded and shitting on these update imo.

  
  
  Way too many people have decided to lock them into the "DevCat sucks, Mabi is dead, everything is shit" mindset. Why they play while thinking that is beyond me, but...
• Kelvas wrote on 2015-01-09 13:17
  I'm actually satisfied about this. Hahha.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-09 13:21

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1260471:

  I second this notion but I'm just about given hope on this community. People will rip anything devcat attempts apart. It's bad enough where I don't really want to gather any info anymore but that appears to be fine as there's more than enough people these days to fill in that gap of information than there was before so fudge it.
  
  That aside, the changes they have done show a lot of promise and I'm liking what they've changed so far quite a bit. It will definitely be a big help for me as I'm a big time firebolt spammer and it works fucking amazing. Too amazing though. The changes to fireball and chain casting will allow me to kill solo Girgashiy much faster though. Maybe in 4 minutes instead of 6. I might be able to fully finish my firebolt x4 -> fireball combo 100% of the time instead of 10% of the time with these changes :chin:
  
  People really need to stop being so fucking narrow minded and shitting on these update imo.

  
  
  I was pretty unhappy with a lot of the changes made by the last director. Nearly everything that guy did fucking sucked and I know that I didn't make it any easier on you guys.
  
  This developer seems far more competent. The Final Hit thing is questionable but everything else is golden. When your solution to a "magic overhaul" is to improve skills that have been traditionally viewed as lackluster, while ignoring everything with high usage, it's pretty obvious that you're actually taking metrics into account.
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-01-09 13:32

  Quote from Juno;1260457:

  I think the goal with these changes is to make the skillset feel better to play with, not to buff it up to broken levels. It's probably intended to help the people that use said skillset despite it's disadvantages more than those who are only concerned with maximizing efficiency.

  
  
  Exactly that, I don't care at all about other skill sets except for basic melee (as everyone should get those on day 1) and I love these changes. I don't play as a mage because I want to do 500k damage per hit on a raid boss, I play it because that's what I like.
  Just hope they add some kind of effect like burning damage to firebolt, I find it weird the other 2 bolts got something.
  
  I also hope to one day see an advanced spell for lightning element. We got hail storm and meteor, just need that one other skill to feel complete.
• ＣＩＲＮＯ wrote on 2015-01-09 13:42
  You know what we need guys?
  
  You know what we need now?
  
  ...
  
  Fireballstorm. Do it, DEVCAT. You know you want to 8)
  
  But on a serious note, Icebolt allowing you to regen a set amount of MP is seriously OP.
  
  > This basically means Icebolt is now the basic "Melee attack" of mages. Icebolt +4 CC will become the standard issue gear of all mages, along with mana reduction wear.
  
  MP is going to be so cheap in this update, I'm ready to ditch my MP potions and live a life without drinking pots.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-01-09 13:51

  Quote from Kaeporo;1260461:

  Nope. Magical weapons have the cheapest repairs out there.
  
  Cylinders don't need cheaper repairs, they just need to burn less durability.
  
  ---
  
  On another note, i'm a little disappointed that they didn't take this opportunity to buff magic attack enchants, nerf Firebolt, or nerf Blaze.

  
  
  Blaze doesn't need a nerf, there just needs to be different things to do for exp. Since exploding ball on a stick seems to be a fairly popular way to do MA.
  Also, i feel bad for Blaze, all those nerfs it had over the years.
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-01-09 14:20

  Quote from ＣＩＲＮＯ;1260480:

  You know what we need guys?
  
  You know what we need now?
  
  ...
  
  Fireballstorm. Do it, DEVCAT. You know you want to 8)
  
  But on a serious note, Icebolt allowing you to regen a set amount of MP is seriously OP.
  
  > This basically means Icebolt is now the basic "Melee attack" of mages. Icebolt +4 CC will become the standard issue gear of all mages, along with mana reduction wear.
  
  MP is going to be so cheap in this update, I'm ready to ditch my MP potions and live a life without drinking pots.

  
  
  I'm not sure how useful it will be. Depends how much mana each hit will get you. I find most places where I need to use mana potions are places where shooting ice bolt at the enemy isn't the best idea. Will be good if garbage mobs give decent mana so you can take advantage of them, otherwise I'm not sure how often I would benefit from this.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-01-09 14:39
  I am liking those changes for Magic...
  
  But disappointed that elves doesn't get anything that make them more better with magic like they are supposed to be.
  
  Also... elves had to spend the extra AP on bolt spells!!
  
  Also... no new skills such as Advanced Lightning spell... gg
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-01-09 15:11

  Quote from Zeo;1260483:

  I am liking those changes for Magic...
  
  But disappointed that elves doesn't get anything that make them more better with magic like they are supposed to be.
  
  Also... elves had to spend the extra AP on bolt spells!!
  
  Also... no new skills such as Advanced Lightning spell... gg

  
  
  Judging by the interview, their focus is on the skillsets themselves and not the races. They did say they planned on addressing race later after they finish renovating the skillsets. Thus I would adjust your expectations accordingly and wait until they get around to adjusting race advantages.
• Citrusjuice wrote on 2015-01-09 15:31
  i was expecting archery revamp before magic :x