[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Magic // 15th of January, 2015

• Yoru wrote on 2015-01-09 15:50

  Quote from Citrusjuice;1260486:

  i was expecting archery revamp before magic :x

  
  
  It was teased to be magic first based on the appearance of the characters in the teaser video. First melee then mage then archer.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-01-09 16:15

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1260485:

  They did say they planned on addressing race later after they finish renovating the skillsets. Thus I would adjust your expectations accordingly and wait until they get around to adjusting race advantages.

  
  
  I see... hmm...
  
  Elves should be best with magic, and archery.
  Giants should be best with melee and fighter.
  Humans are inbetween.
  
  I hope they don't screw up what made Mabinogi so special though... having almost no restriction or so.
• hemel77 wrote on 2015-01-09 16:22
  Are they down grading blaze? are they?
• Zeo wrote on 2015-01-09 16:22

  Quote from hemel77;1260490:

  Are they down grading blaze? are they?

  
  
  No, Blaze is left untouched.
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-01-09 17:13

  Quote from Zeo;1260489:

  I see... hmm...
  
  Elves should be best with magic, and archery.
  Giants should be best with melee and fighter.
  Humans are inbetween.
  
  I hope they don't screw up what made Mabinogi so special though... having almost no restriction or so.

  
  
  Having no restrictions would mean your choice of race not impacting your character. It's already not the case when it comes to items you can use, certain skills/ap req, and is fairly minimal on most stats so let's not make it even worse.
• JoeyDee9 wrote on 2015-01-09 17:15
  Just as a serious question cause I'm legitimately curious. Does anyone here actually use magic in this game. It's been months since I've seen a public player actively use magic in one of the dailies I run, dragons I run, raids I run, and lords I run. There might be the occasional meteor at dragon but that's not actively using magic. That grabbing a staff, casting, then switching gears again.
  
  I guess the reason I bring this up is because I'm honestly bewildered by the amount of players who consider magic to be a "good" talent. Now I use the word good loosely cause by all means magic can get the job done. It's just that when compared to ninja, gunner, puppets, lance, close combat, or archery it just does the job slower while also using more resources. Now their are some exceptions firebolt and blaze being two of them. Int magics though? I haven't seen one in a eons.
  
  Now, even with these updates, magic is only marginally faster. We still have casting times, we still have stun/crack times. Magic still hast to deal with higher damage reduction than anything else due to magic protection and defense. I'll withhold my whole opinion until all these updates hit live, and will continue my endeavors to test the content. The thing is until further notice , my near capped int is still gunner fuel, and my reforged magic gear is still just blaze damage.
  
  These are just my honest opinions about it. I have the gear, skill ranks, and stats to be a mage. I just don't do it cause it's not worth it when other things I have just do it's job better.
• Kelvas wrote on 2015-01-09 17:33
  Only problem I see with the ice spear part is that since people can attack frozen mobs, the knockdown direction ccan be altered. This makes ice spear blaze combo harder with randoms.
• Aeribella wrote on 2015-01-09 17:34

  Quote from JoeyDee9;1260493:

  Just as a serious question cause I'm legitimately curious. Does anyone here actually use magic in this game. It's been months since I've seen a public player actively use magic in one of the dailies I run, dragons I run, raids I run, and lords I run. There might be the occasional meteor at dragon but that's not actively using magic. That grabbing a staff, casting, then switching gears again.
  
  I guess the reason I bring this up is because I'm honestly bewildered by the amount of players who consider magic to be a "good" talent. Now I use the word good loosely cause by all means magic can get the job done. It's just that when compared to ninja, gunner, puppets, lance, close combat, or archery it just does the job slower while also using more resources. Now their are some exceptions firebolt and blaze being two of them. Int magics though? I haven't seen one in a eons.
  
  Now, even with these updates, magic is only marginally faster. We still have casting times, we still have stun/crack times. Magic still hast to deal with higher damage reduction than anything else due to magic protection and defense. I'll withhold my whole opinion until all these updates hit live, and will continue my endeavors to test the content. The thing is until further notice , my near capped int is still gunner fuel, and my reforged magic gear is still just blaze damage.
  
  These are just my honest opinions about it. I have the gear, skill ranks, and stats to be a mage. I just don't do it cause it's not worth it when other things I have just do it's job better.

  
  
  Idk hun, I think this update is like the melee update a bit. Sure its improved, and a nice change, but ultimately you'll find more power in stuff like you said guns. Just like melee folks will still find more power in lances. In the end its all about preferences, and everyone deserving the option to play how they want, vs. just powering through everything super fast. In the end this is just the first update, and I'm sure there will be another update before it hits live.
• Citrusjuice wrote on 2015-01-09 17:36
  on my old elf that only have magic/fighter , magic skills that I use are TH for raft, cc firebolt spams for general runs and ice spear to set up blaze.
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-01-09 17:38

  Quote from JoeyDee9;1260493:

  Just as a serious question cause I'm legitimately curious. Does anyone here actually use magic in this game. It's been months since I've seen a public player actively use magic in one of the dailies I run, dragons I run, raids I run, and lords I run. There might be the occasional meteor at dragon but that's not actively using magic. That grabbing a staff, casting, then switching gears again.
  
  I guess the reason I bring this up is because I'm honestly bewildered by the amount of players who consider magic to be a "good" talent. Now I use the word good loosely cause by all means magic can get the job done. It's just that when compared to ninja, gunner, puppets, lance, close combat, or archery it just does the job slower while also using more resources. Now their are some exceptions firebolt and blaze being two of them. Int magics though? I haven't seen one in a eons.
  
  Now, even with these updates, magic is only marginally faster. We still have casting times, we still have stun/crack times. Magic still hast to deal with higher damage reduction than anything else due to magic protection and defense. I'll withhold my whole opinion until all these updates hit live, and will continue my endeavors to test the content. The thing is until further notice , my near capped int is still gunner fuel, and my reforged magic gear is still just blaze damage.
  
  These are just my honest opinions about it. I have the gear, skill ranks, and stats to be a mage. I just don't do it cause it's not worth it when other things I have just do it's job better.

  
  
  I use 80% magic and 20% basic melee (non lancer red skills pretty much).
  I don't play this game for efficiency or the be outputting endgame damage. I play it for fun and magic is fun.
  I also don't do much other than dungeons, raft and dragon raids, because those are the content types I enjoy and don't want to waste my time on anything else.
  
  For dragon raids if no one else is around (rare but happens) then I will use magic since it does more damage than my smash, but if it's the typical swarm of people I use smash to fill all the contribution on time before it dies, since you need part of the points from smashing.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-01-09 17:39

  Quote from Osayidan;1260492:

  Having no restrictions would mean your choice of race not impacting your character. It's already not the case when it comes to items you can use, certain skills/ap req, and is fairly minimal on most stats so let's not make it even worse.

  
  
  Yup, that is what I meant.
  
  Heck, I even find it stupid that giants couldn't use bows and elves couldn't use lances.
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-01-09 17:43

  Quote from JoeyDee9;1260493:

  Just as a serious question cause I'm legitimately curious. Does anyone here actually use magic in this game. It's been months since I've seen a public player actively use magic in one of the dailies I run, dragons I run, raids I run, and lords I run. There might be the occasional meteor at dragon but that's not actively using magic. That grabbing a staff, casting, then switching gears again.
  
  I guess the reason I bring this up is because I'm honestly bewildered by the amount of players who consider magic to be a "good" talent. Now I use the word good loosely cause by all means magic can get the job done. It's just that when compared to ninja, gunner, puppets, lance, close combat, or archery it just does the job slower while also using more resources. Now their are some exceptions firebolt and blaze being two of them. Int magics though? I haven't seen one in a eons.
  
  Now, even with these updates, magic is only marginally faster. We still have casting times, we still have stun/crack times. Magic still hast to deal with higher damage reduction than anything else due to magic protection and defense. I'll withhold my whole opinion until all these updates hit live, and will continue my endeavors to test the content. The thing is until further notice , my near capped int is still gunner fuel, and my reforged magic gear is still just blaze damage.
  
  These are just my honest opinions about it. I have the gear, skill ranks, and stats to be a mage. I just don't do it cause it's not worth it when other things I have just do it's job better.

  
  
  It all depends on how you want to play the game. Do you want to min max and speed through everything at all times no mater what, or do you just want to do what you want to do, regardless of how fast or slow it is.
  
  I do magic, but at this point it has just devolved into nothing but cc4 firebolt spamming because everyone either complains or cancels my spells, and I don't solo. (Because I'm playing a god damn fucking MMO, not a single player game.)
  
  I used to thunder spam because it was fun, and if I paid attention I could lock just about everything down with ease, but as we all know, when something on the other side of the room is thundered, you must drop everything you are doing and ignore everything that should be agroing you after your first kill, and smash the shit out of it. This is especially true if it was a fully charged thunder. Also if it's a fireball, you should WM always, and if it was just a single ice spear at one target you're not even hitting while there are 5 other things left in the room, you should bitch and complain about the mage ruining the run. That last one doesn't apply for most friends/guildies thankfully.
  
  I like gunner. I lag whenever I get a crit or do any of it's hitallofthethings skills.
  I like ninja. I lag whenever I use kuni storm on more than 3 mobs though.
  I like puppet. I lag with almost any of it's skills that hits more than one monster.
  Hell I like all skill sets. I just wish I could do mage, have my fun, and not have people want to threaten my god damn life for not reforging the shit out of my gear and 1 shotting the entire mission/dungeon in .01 seconds, thus slowing them down.
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-09 17:45
  My elf is a pure mage, though I don't play her all that much. When I do, it's generally TH and FB with LB to clean up survivors. It's not about efficiency so much as feeling like I'm blowing stuff up.
• JoeyDee9 wrote on 2015-01-09 17:52
  I fully understand doing what you want to do in this game. Shouldn't things still be balanced?
  
  That's all I'm looking for is balance so that anyone can do what they want and not have the backlash of "slowing things down". I had hoped that the renovation updates would be balance updates but it doesn't quite seem that way.
  
  Well, still have multiple magic testing phases and the renovation phase 3 to go. So, onward to tomorrow.
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-09 17:59

  Quote from JoeyDee9;1260502:

  I fully understand doing what you want to do in this game. Shouldn't things still be balanced?
  
  That's all I'm looking for is balance so that anyone can do what they want and not have the backlash of "slowing things down". I had hoped that the renovation updates would be balance updates but it doesn't quite seem that way.

  
  
  As it stands, balance updates would involve nerfing the ever-loving stuffing out of a handful of skillsets. If they want to get to a point where they can balance things without angering half of the playerbase, they're going to need to make everything fun first, or at least buff it to the point to where the former gunners, puppeteers and blazers have somewhere to go that isn't too slow-paced.