[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Ranged Combat // 12th of Feburary, 2015

• ReFuSeR wrote on 2015-02-13 22:44

  Quote from Darkboy132;1265216:

  So long story short, Urgent Shot is really hard to use? They could have just made it similar to Wind Blast. The fact that you have to waste ammo just to pull it off seems really silly. :gloom3:

  
  
  It's amazing how they couldn't even get urgent shot right. My God the trolling will never cease.
• Halfslashed wrote on 2015-02-13 22:45
  Question, are these crossbows special upgradeable?
• ReFuSeR wrote on 2015-02-13 23:01

  Quote from Halfslashed;1265218:

  Question, are these crossbows special upgradeable?

  
  
  Yes they can. I saw some screenshots of special upgraded ones on KR forums.
  

  [Image: http://www.mabinogi.pe.kr/bbs/data/report/hhhhh.jpg]
• Tetosan wrote on 2015-02-14 00:02

  Quote from Darkboy132;1265216:

  So long story short, Urgent Shot is really hard to use? They could have just made it similar to Wind Blast. The fact that you have to waste ammo just to pull it off seems really silly. :gloom3:

  
  
  Yeah because it's totally strange that an Arrow shot in emergency is actually used. Makes completly no sense!
  And how is it not simi... oh wait it has no fucking load time.
  
  
  

  Quote from ReFuSeR;1265217:

  It's amazing how they couldn't even get urgent shot right. My God the trolling will never cease.

  
  
  what exactly didn't they get right about it?
  
  Can we stop QQing about it now? The Skill is quite useful to me and i'm sick of fucking Elitists QQing that it doesn't hit 10k dmg.
• ReFuSeR wrote on 2015-02-14 00:50

  Quote from Tetosan;1265227:

  
  Can we stop QQing about it now? The Skill is quite useful to me and i'm sick of fucking Elitists QQing that it doesn't hit 10k dmg.

  
  I was referring to the fact that they originally added the skill in and it didn't even work. They didn't even test the skill before they added it to the live server. Now that's halfassed work. The damage the skill does is actually around what I was predicting it would be anyways lol.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-02-14 00:50

  Quote from Tetosan;1265227:

  Yeah because it's totally strange that an Arrow shot in emergency is actually used. Makes completly no sense!
  And how is it not simi... oh wait it has no fucking load time.
  
  Can we stop QQing about it now? The Skill is quite useful to me and i'm sick of fucking Elitists QQing that it doesn't hit 10k dmg.

  
  
  I agree with this sentiment. Urgent Shot seems like a pretty dandy skill. I have access to Arrow Revolver, so I probably won't use it as intended, instead relying on it to make significantly faster long-range attacks with Magnum Shot and Crash Shot.
  
  We don't know for certain that they're totally done with the archery renovation. I really hoped that we would get at least two new skills (I mean, magic got two new skills and it has at least twice as many skills as archery). Preferably not "gatling gun". That looks like a reskin of Kunai Storm and we already have that.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-14 01:32

  Quote from Tetosan;1265227:

  Yeah because it's totally strange that an Arrow shot in emergency is actually used. Makes completly no sense!
  And how is it not simi... oh wait it has no fucking load time.
  
  Can we stop QQing about it now? The Skill is quite useful to me and i'm sick of fucking Elitists QQing that it doesn't hit 10k dmg.

  
  
  No offense, but are you being sarcastic?
  
  My concern with Urgent Shot are the availability restraints and how its seemingly not very newb friendly. If you fuck up alchemy, you can insta-load Wind Blast and insta-push the enemy away. Urgent Shot on the other hand requires needlessly wasting ammo and using it within some time after a failed shot (lag spike says hi, then leaves just as the availability time is up). Furthermore, if you actually succeed the shot and the enemy is pretty close, you can't immediately push it away as Urgent Shot wouldn't be available (Windmill/Counter seems slower than Urgent + another Archer Skill).
  
  Also who's QQing about the damage? Support hits 80%, Mirage hits 200%, Crash Shot initial missile hits 100%, why does it matter if Urgent Shot should be hitting more than 150%?
  
  As ReFuSeR said, they should have tested it first, not suddenly throw it into live.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-02-14 01:46

  Quote from Darkboy132;1265174:

  
  
  • Most of us were expecting more skills.
    
  • Archers aren't very diverse due to the very few skills they're given.
    
  • Archers only have one effective area of effect: Crash Shot, and it's very slow due to the long cooldown and the time to aim it from what I've been told. Magnum splash isn't powerful, Mirage may or may not be powerful enough anymore, and Elven Magic Missile and Spirit Bow Awakening is outright useless.
    
  • This is about ARCHERY RENOVATION. I see no reason they should have stopped after the little tweaks, but instead they slapped in new content and gave a new archer skill that's exclusive to the boss.
    

  
  I get that much, but why do you want Alban Golem Gatling? I mean, it's just some instant AoE with a flashy animation whose only relevance is projectile animations that look like arrows. Wouldn't archers want something better and with some effort and thought put into it that actually benefits archery as a talent and fixes any problems it may have? People oodeling over Alban Golem Gatling shows DevCAT the message that players would be content with any slab of meat thrown at them. Archery deserves better.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-02-14 01:51
  here's how to fix ranged
  
  remove aiming
  give all ranged skills fixed load times
  reduce said load times by a percentage based on the bow's base range and distance from target.
  
  for crossbows give them massive DPS for being in a target's face as well as short range reposition skills that reward kiting and reaction time
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-14 03:05

  Quote from Kapra;1265250:

  I get that much, but why do you want Alban Golem Gatling? I mean, it's just some instant AoE with a flashy animation whose only relevance is projectile animations that look like arrows. Wouldn't archers want something better and with some effort and thought put into it that actually benefits archery as a talent and fixes any problems it may have? People oodeling over Alban Golem Gatling shows DevCAT the message that players would be content with any slab of meat thrown at them. Archery deserves better.

  
  
  I agree, but I'm not very imaginative when it comes to designing new archer stuff... (I prefer Swords over all else)
• firebarrel wrote on 2015-02-14 03:55
  We already had urgent shot all along. Counter + lightning bolt does the same thing :3
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-02-14 04:13

  Quote from Darkboy132;1265260:

  I agree, but I'm not very imaginative when it comes to designing new archer stuff... (I prefer Swords over all else)

  
  
  [SPOILER=" "]1. Arrow Rain
  - Fire arrow into the sky, which then splits into multiple projectiles. Arrows rain back down in a small AOE.
  
  2. Mine Shot
  - Fire explosive-tipped arrow into the target. Remotely detonated with damage increasing as you wait.
  
  3. Head Shot
  - Fire carefully aimed arrow at target's vitals. Always deals a critical hit.
  
  4. Piercing Shot
  - Fire high-powered arrow which pierces through the target, striking anything behind it.
  
  5. Homing Arrow
  - Fire slow-moving arrow which homes in on targets, returning to circle the player if no target is found.
  
  6. Spread Shot
  - Fire multiple arrows, striking targets in front of you once each.
  
  7. Focus
  - Passive skill: Increases aim speed, less effective at close range.
  
  8. Phantom Bow
  - Clones your weapon at half attack power and health. Follows the player and attacks targets within range.
  
  9. Arrow Thrust
  - Stab a target at close range with the equipped ammunition.[/SPOILER]
  
  There are a couple of hastily drawn up ideas. Not very hard. Let's try some other skill ideas, eh?
  
  [SPOILER=" "]Adventurer: Movement Mastery
  - Increases base running speed and improves your ability to fight while mounted.
  
  Cleric: Guardian Stone
  - Summons targetable falias floating stone which heals and revives players within range. Fragile and linked to caster's body. If it dies, so does the caster.
  
  Cleric: Revival
  - Allows the player to revive players at long range; eventually enables simultaneous revivals and permits feather crafting.
  
  Apothecary: Poison Making
  - Allows players to create more poisons; some of which are permanent.
  
  Apothecary: Drinking
  - In tandem with other changes, allows players to drink potions more quickly and without movement restrictions.
  
  Merchant: Servicing
  - Increases part-time job rewards/difficulty; allows one to maintain part-time job rank. Also allows players to raise crops in tailltainn.
  
  Merchant: Investing
  - Reduces various bank/transfer fees, allows players to invest in part-time jobs, earning additional gold when players complete part-time jobs.
  
  Tailor: Stitching
  - Allows players to imbue produced items with set effects.
  
  Blacksmith: Repairing
  - Allow players to repair equipment at up to a 100% rate, at the cost of various materials and gold.[/SPOILER]
  
  Here's to hoping that they're not done with the archery renovation. They really didn't do shit for Elves.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-02-14 05:15

  Quote from Tetosan;1265227:

  
  Can we stop QQing about it now? The Skill is quite useful to me and i'm sick of fucking Elitists QQing that it doesn't hit 10k dmg.

  
  
  I'm not even complaining about the skill.
  I just don't see why this skill is needed. The utility it offers is nice, but the concept of this "emergency shot" isn't really rendered that useful when things like windmill exists. And I'm not speaking just for humans, I'm considering Elves too. I don't care about what damage it does because I know it's supposed to be pure utility skill.
  Not a bad skill, but redundant one in my eyes.
  I wonder if they could have made support shot affect next ranged ability like melee ability... That could be interesting, as you could use support shot as your "emergency shot", then follow up with Magnum shot or something.
  Feel like they could have brought something more enlightening. We still don't know if there are more things to come for range, so we'll see.
• Noctuneko wrote on 2015-02-14 06:01
  What are the KR community thoughts about the archery renovation in general?
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-02-14 06:23

  Quote from Noctuneko;1265287:

  What are the KR community thoughts about the archery renovation in general?

  
  
  Not too happy.
  
  Most still show somewhat positive reaction compared to what the most Mabination's general users' reactions are.