[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Ranged Combat // 12th of Feburary, 2015

• Kapra wrote on 2015-02-23 22:17

  Quote from willcaster;1266268:

  mabi need new game/mosnter dynamics... not just the same freaking way of: monster pack instant aggro hit over 250 x 3 with 90% wounding
  
  ------------------------
  Anything else planned for Archery, or is KR Nexon done?

  
  They're done.
  
  For all the people saying "But they said they'll have a racial update" no they did not say that, they said it's a possibility, just like how they've said it would be a possibility for the past two years.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-02-24 00:22
  Aww, very cute. Thanks for the answer tho :D
• Aeribella wrote on 2015-02-24 06:42

  Quote from Kapra;1266282:

  They're done.
  
  For all the people saying "But they said they'll have a racial update" no they did not say that, they said it's a possibility, just like how they've said it would be a possibility for the past two years.

  
  
  I'm just wondering why they changed the look of campfire in that vid, but haven't touched life skills yet. Me wonders if they are going to do a life renovation update and thats when it'll change or they just have it different in korea.
  
  AND If you look at the site for the renovation in KR they technically have room next to the 3 chapters at the top for one more chapter.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-24 06:53

  Quote from Aeribella;1266317:

  I'm just wondering why they changed the look of campfire in that vid, but haven't touched life skills yet. Me wonders if they are going to do a life renovation update and thats when it'll change or they just have it different in korea.

  
  
  Can we trust the new director to renovate Life? :/
• Aeribella wrote on 2015-02-24 06:59

  Quote from Darkboy132;1266319:

  Can we trust the new director to renovate Life? :/

  
  
  Mmm, Besides his blunder with archery (which wasn't a complete and total loss, he did make crossbows useable and gave elves a way to get piercing levels, and he did make a few small nice changes (here's hoping he fixes this F-up later)) I think so. Perhaps they rushed Archery so they could get to work on how best to treat life skills. I mean, thats probably the hardest thing to fix in my opinion, as no past director has bothered to try and fix em besides maybe the talent system. He did a very nice job on the mage update, and although i'm bitter about the melee update as an elf, I suppose he did a nice job overall on that for humans and giants. (my only issue is elves not even being able to dual wield scimitars, we're the only race that cannot dual-wield and its sad for me, I can understand as a weaker race why we can't physically wield 2 handed weapons, but dual wielding is far different)
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-24 07:58
  [SPOILER="Right"]
  

  
  
  • G19:
    
    
    
    • Fixed the storyline so that it isn't shit compared to Chapter 4 and 5/Saga.
      
    • Implemented a new and challenging system.
      
    
    
  • Melee Renovation:
    
    
    
    • Buffed Charge's damage.
      
    • Gave Final Hit more utility.
      
    • Buffed Stomp's damage and range.
      
    
    
  • Magic Renovation
    
    
    
    • Made magic overall faster.
      
    • Ice Spear no longer getting in the way of party play.
      
    
    
  • Archer Renovation
    
    
    
    • Increased utility in some areas.
      
    
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  [SPOILER="Wrong"]
  

  
  
  • G19
    
    
    
    • Ridiculous generation difficulty.
      
    • Did not put an actual prerequisite, allowing newbs to do G19, which they can't even complete.
      
    • Gave the raid orders requirements that are ridiculous and/or near-impossible to complete.
      
    • Made the raid stupidly under-rewarding, giving no motivation to do them.
      
    • Made Celestial Spike and its subskills ridiculously underpowered.
      
    • Made Shield of Trust difficult to use and conflicting in party play.
      
    • Made it require ~4 years to get level 225 Crusader.
      
    • Made the Crusader subskills ridiculously hard to acquire and train.
      
    
    
  • Melee Renovation
    
    
    
    • Threw in a whole bunch of random unnecessary things.
      
    • Did not take away Normal Attack, Smash, and Counterattack's i-frame causing.
      
    • Did not lessen the overall animation locks.
      
    • Neglected to fix Taunt and Wind Guard.
      
    • Neglected to lift dual-wield weapon restrictions.
      
    • Neglected to lift 2h weapon restrictions for humans.
      
    • Neglected to lift 2h weapon, dual wield, and heavy armor restrictions for elves.
      
    • Neglected to nerf Weapon Masteries when dual-wielding.
      
    • Neglected to nerf Defense skill w/ shield.
      
    • Neglected to buff Defense skill's party defense retardedly small range.
      
    • Neglected to uncap Evasion.
      
    • Neglected to move Tumble into Combat and remove its knuckle requirement.
      
    • Overpowered Final Hit.
      
    • Implemented Rage Impact and Dual Wield Mastery, which are both unnecessary power creeps.
      
    
    
  • Magic Renovation
    
    
    
    • Neglected to nerf Firebolt and Blaze.
      
    • Neglected to buff natural mana regeneration, which is stupidly slow compared to stamina and health.
      
    • Neglected to uncap Meditation and Mana Shield, and instead threw in a skill that makes Meditation obsolete.
      
    • Neglected to lessen Meditation's stamina regeneration halt.
      
    • Neglected to rebalance Healing's odd healing:mana ratio, remove/lessen self-Healing's stamina consumption, and/or buff Healing.
      
    • Neglected to touch Spellwalk, which has a stupidly high stamina cost and isn't compatible with magic shields and/or advanced magic spells.
      
    • Neglected to buff Hail Storm's ridiculously small range and splash; from personal experience its very hard to utilize both.
      
    • Neglected to make Hail Storm not cancel on knockdown and/or less interruptible. There isn't really much of a way for Hail to defend itself other than area of effect pets.
      
    • Neglected to remove the damage decrease on distance of Shockwave and Meteor Strike, which are unnecessary hampers.
      
    • Neglected to lower Shockwave's stupidly high mana cost.
      
    • Left Meteor Strike mostly shit outside of its master title.
      
    • Neglected to give Elves an actual advantage over humans and giants in magic, which according to character creation they excel in magic.
      
    • Overpowered Lightning Rod.
      
    
    
  • Archer Renovation
    
    
    
    • Rushed Archer Renovation.
      
    • Made Luck Evasion very slightly less of an issue rather than removing it outright; 100% requires standing still, which no one is going to do.
      
    • Neglected to remove aggressive aggro for just targeting something with a bow/xbow.
      
    • Neglected to give Elves an actual advantage over humans in archery.
      
    • Gave humans an even shorter Support Shot cooldown time than elves, which makes no sense.
      
    • Did not enhance Support Shot's and Spider Shot's party play.
      
    • Left Crash Shot's cooldown alone. As the only archer area of effect aside from Magnum splash, it's much slower than pre-Genesis and combined with the need to aim which isn't enhanced by Ranged Attack it's somewhat difficult to use.
      
    • Left Mirage Missile buggy.
      
    • Neglected to fix Elven Magic Missile.
      
    • Left Final Shot's load time and its load time decrease intact, rather than giving it a proper utility buff.
      
    • Lowered Final Shot's cooldown slightly, but doesn't come anywhere close to Final Hit's cooldown.
      
    • Needlessly buffed Throwing Attack/Atlatls to the point where giant "archery" can rival a human's/elf's, instead of just allowing it to be used with other weapons.
      
    • Added a buggy and somewhat hard to use Urgent Shot.
      
    • Did not add any more archer skills to increase its diversity.
      
    
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  Honestly, I'm iffy to trust Life, Fighter, Bard, Puppet, and Gunner, in the hands of the new director...
• Aeribella wrote on 2015-02-24 09:09

  Quote from Darkboy132;1266324:

  [SPOILER="Right"]
  

  
  
  • G19:
    
    
    
    • Fixed the storyline so that it isn't shit compared to Chapter 4 and 5/Saga.
      
    • Implemented a new and challenging system.
      
    
    
  • Melee Renovation:
    
    
    
    • Buffed Charge's damage.
      
    • Gave Final Hit more utility.
      
    • Buffed Stomp's damage and range.
      
    
    
  • Magic Renovation
    
    
    
    • Made magic overall faster.
      
    • Ice Spear no longer getting in the way of party play.
      
    
    
  • Archer Renovation
    
    
    
    • Increased utility in some areas.
      
    
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  [SPOILER="Wrong"]
  

  
  
  • G19
    
    
    
    • Ridiculous generation difficulty.
      
    • Did not put an actual prerequisite, allowing newbs to do G19, which they can't even complete.
      
    • Gave the raid orders requirements that are ridiculous and/or near-impossible to complete.
      
    • Made the raid stupidly under-rewarding, giving no motivation to do them.
      
    • Made Celestial Spike and its subskills ridiculously underpowered.
      
    • Made Shield of Trust difficult to use and conflicting in party play.
      
    • Made it require ~4 years to get level 225 Crusader.
      
    • Made the Crusader subskills ridiculously hard to acquire and train.
      
    
    
  • Melee Renovation
    
    
    
    • Threw in a whole bunch of random unnecessary things.
      
    • Did not take away Normal Attack, Smash, and Counterattack's i-frame causing.
      
    • Did not lessen the overall animation locks.
      
    • Neglected to fix Taunt and Wind Guard.
      
    • Neglected to lift dual-wield weapon restrictions.
      
    • Neglected to lift 2h weapon restrictions for humans.
      
    • Neglected to lift 2h weapon, dual wield, and heavy armor restrictions for elves.
      
    • Neglected to nerf Weapon Masteries when dual-wielding.
      
    • Neglected to nerf Defense skill w/ shield.
      
    • Neglected to buff Defense skill's party defense retardedly small range.
      
    • Neglected to uncap Evasion.
      
    • Neglected to move Tumble into Combat and remove its knuckle requirement.
      
    • Overpowered Final Hit.
      
    • Implemented Rage Impact and Dual Wield Mastery, which are both unnecessary power creeps.
      
    
    
  • Magic Renovation
    
    
    
    • Neglected to nerf Firebolt and Blaze.
      
    • Neglected to buff natural mana regeneration, which is stupidly slow compared to stamina and health.
      
    • Neglected to uncap Meditation and Mana Shield, and instead threw in a skill that makes Meditation obsolete.
      
    • Neglected to lessen Meditation's stamina regeneration halt.
      
    • Neglected to rebalance Healing's odd healing:mana ratio, remove/lessen self-Healing's stamina consumption, and/or buff Healing.
      
    • Neglected to touch Spellwalk, which has a stupidly high stamina cost and isn't compatible with magic shields and/or advanced magic spells.
      
    • Neglected to buff Hail Storm's ridiculously small range and splash; from personal experience its very hard to utilize both.
      
    • Neglected to make Hail Storm not cancel on knockdown and/or less interruptible. There isn't really much of a way for Hail to defend itself other than area of effect pets.
      
    • Neglected to remove the damage decrease on distance of Shockwave and Meteor Strike, which are unnecessary hampers.
      
    • Neglected to lower Shockwave's stupidly high mana cost.
      
    • Left Meteor Strike mostly shit outside of its master title.
      
    • Neglected to give Elves an actual advantage over humans and giants in magic, which according to character creation they excel in magic.
      
    • Overpowered Lightning Rod.
      
    
    
  • Archer Renovation
    
    
    
    • Rushed Archer Renovation.
      
    • Made Luck Evasion very slightly less of an issue rather than removing it outright; 100% requires standing still, which no one is going to do.
      
    • Neglected to remove aggressive aggro for just targeting something with a bow/xbow.
      
    • Neglected to give Elves an actual advantage over humans in archery.
      
    • Gave humans an even shorter Support Shot cooldown time than elves, which makes no sense.
      
    • Did not enhance Support Shot's and Spider Shot's party play.
      
    • Left Crash Shot's cooldown alone. As the only archer area of effect aside from Magnum splash, it's much slower than pre-Genesis and combined with the need to aim which isn't enhanced by Ranged Attack it's somewhat difficult to use.
      
    • Left Mirage Missile buggy.
      
    • Neglected to fix Elven Magic Missile.
      
    • Left Final Shot's load time and its load time decrease intact, rather than giving it a proper utility buff.
      
    • Lowered Final Shot's cooldown slightly, but doesn't come anywhere close to Final Hit's cooldown.
      
    • Needlessly buffed Throwing Attack/Atlatls to the point where giant "archery" can rival a human's/elf's, instead of just allowing it to be used with other weapons.
      
    • Added a buggy and somewhat hard to use Urgent Shot.
      
    • Did not add any more archer skills to increase its diversity.
      
    
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  Honestly, I'm iffy to trust Life, Fighter, Bard, Puppet, and Gunner, in the hands of the new director...

  
  
  Honestly as far as life skills are concerned, I doubt theres anything he can do to them to make them any worse. If anything the least he can do is make them a tiny bit better, so I'm all for it. Sure he may not touch on majority of the issues but there is almost no way he can tarnish the skills any further. They desperately deserve any kind of attention, its been years excluding the addition of talents, and magic craft/engie.
• willcaster wrote on 2015-02-24 09:13
  life skills is easy just add more freaking manuals or remove them just like the new life skills works everything should be crafteable
  fighter needs a bit of AoE to come up with everything else, there are many many games to take ideas of AoE skills (also tumble should be usable with any weapon specially bow)
  Bard is kind of not even a skill set just something to buff ur normal gameplay (if we rly want this thing to shine we need to make bards stationary with powerfull buffs or movile with low buffing)
  Puppets are OP as thy are
  Gunner just need to get its freaking position lag fixed
  archery and close combat need to get better base stat damage... its just stupid how u can get more dmg with guns normal attack than magnum (unless u r overly reforged/comboed)
• Kapra wrote on 2015-02-24 09:19

  Quote from Darkboy132;1266324:

  [SPOILER="Right"]
  

  
  
  • G19:
    
    
    
    • Fixed the storyline so that it isn't shit compared to Chapter 4 and 5/Saga.
      
    • Implemented a new and challenging system.
      
    
    
  • Melee Renovation:
    
    
    
    • Buffed Charge's damage.
      
    • Gave Final Hit more utility.
      
    • Buffed Stomp's damage and range.
      
    
    
  • Magic Renovation
    
    
    
    • Made magic overall faster.
      
    • Ice Spear no longer getting in the way of party play.
      
    
    
  • Archer Renovation
    
    
    
    • Increased utility in some areas.
      
    
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  [SPOILER="Wrong"]
  

  
  
  • G19
    
    
    
    • Ridiculous generation difficulty.
      
    • Did not put an actual prerequisite, allowing newbs to do G19, which they can't even complete.
      
    • Gave the raid orders requirements that are ridiculous and/or near-impossible to complete.
      
    • Made the raid stupidly under-rewarding, giving no motivation to do them.
      
    • Made Celestial Spike and its subskills ridiculously underpowered.
      
    • Made Shield of Trust difficult to use and conflicting in party play.
      
    • Made it require ~4 years to get level 225 Crusader.
      
    • Made the Crusader subskills ridiculously hard to acquire and train.
      
    
    
  • Melee Renovation
    
    
    
    • Threw in a whole bunch of random unnecessary things.
      
    • Did not take away Normal Attack, Smash, and Counterattack's i-frame causing.
      
    • Did not lessen the overall animation locks.
      
    • Neglected to fix Taunt and Wind Guard.
      
    • Neglected to lift dual-wield weapon restrictions.
      
    • Neglected to lift 2h weapon restrictions for humans.
      
    • Neglected to lift 2h weapon, dual wield, and heavy armor restrictions for elves.
      
    • Neglected to nerf Weapon Masteries when dual-wielding.
      
    • Neglected to nerf Defense skill w/ shield.
      
    • Neglected to buff Defense skill's party defense retardedly small range.
      
    • Neglected to uncap Evasion.
      
    • Neglected to move Tumble into Combat and remove its knuckle requirement.
      
    • Overpowered Final Hit.
      
    • Implemented Rage Impact and Dual Wield Mastery, which are both unnecessary power creeps.
      
    
    
  • Magic Renovation
    
    
    
    • Neglected to nerf Firebolt and Blaze.
      
    • Neglected to buff natural mana regeneration, which is stupidly slow compared to stamina and health.
      
    • Neglected to uncap Meditation and Mana Shield, and instead threw in a skill that makes Meditation obsolete.
      
    • Neglected to lessen Meditation's stamina regeneration halt.
      
    • Neglected to rebalance Healing's odd healing:mana ratio, remove/lessen self-Healing's stamina consumption, and/or buff Healing.
      
    • Neglected to touch Spellwalk, which has a stupidly high stamina cost and isn't compatible with magic shields and/or advanced magic spells.
      
    • Neglected to buff Hail Storm's ridiculously small range and splash; from personal experience its very hard to utilize both.
      
    • Neglected to make Hail Storm not cancel on knockdown and/or less interruptible. There isn't really much of a way for Hail to defend itself other than area of effect pets.
      
    • Neglected to remove the damage decrease on distance of Shockwave and Meteor Strike, which are unnecessary hampers.
      
    • Neglected to lower Shockwave's stupidly high mana cost.
      
    • Left Meteor Strike mostly shit outside of its master title.
      
    • Neglected to give Elves an actual advantage over humans and giants in magic, which according to character creation they excel in magic.
      
    • Overpowered Lightning Rod.
      
    
    
  • Archer Renovation
    
    
    
    • Rushed Archer Renovation.
      
    • Made Luck Evasion very slightly less of an issue rather than removing it outright; 100% requires standing still, which no one is going to do.
      
    • Neglected to remove aggressive aggro for just targeting something with a bow/xbow.
      
    • Neglected to give Elves an actual advantage over humans in archery.
      
    • Gave humans an even shorter Support Shot cooldown time than elves, which makes no sense.
      
    • Did not enhance Support Shot's and Spider Shot's party play.
      
    • Left Crash Shot's cooldown alone. As the only archer area of effect aside from Magnum splash, it's much slower than pre-Genesis and combined with the need to aim which isn't enhanced by Ranged Attack it's somewhat difficult to use.
      
    • Left Mirage Missile buggy.
      
    • Neglected to fix Elven Magic Missile.
      
    • Left Final Shot's load time and its load time decrease intact, rather than giving it a proper utility buff.
      
    • Lowered Final Shot's cooldown slightly, but doesn't come anywhere close to Final Hit's cooldown.
      
    • Needlessly buffed Throwing Attack/Atlatls to the point where giant "archery" can rival a human's/elf's, instead of just allowing it to be used with other weapons.
      
    • Added a buggy and somewhat hard to use Urgent Shot.
      
    • Did not add any more archer skills to increase its diversity.
      
    
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  Honestly, I'm iffy to trust Life, Fighter, Bard, Puppet, and Gunner, in the hands of the new director...

  
  I disagree with almost all of your "Wrong" list. If he did any of the majority of your Magic "Wrongs" I wouldn't trust him with Fighter/Dual Guns/Life. . . I'm glad the way he did go, he could have gone a lot worse (like uncapping Mana Shield, making Meteor Strike more OP than it is [although the cooldown decrease is arguably much], not touched final shot at all, making tumble usable by anything [if I had it my way I would only enable it for certain weapons and not everything]). Also, the whole "it takes years to max out crusader subskills" that people are complaining about is what I am praising. I hate how fast even a new player from scratch can max out their trans skills. (As far as I'm concerned its the main issue with transformation, other than them overwriting titles/being inferior to modern titles.) Crusader skills are the right way to go, albeit with some poorly though requirements.
• Aeribella wrote on 2015-02-24 09:26

  Quote from willcaster;1266332:

  life skills is easy just add more freaking manuals or remove them just like the new life skills works everything should be crafteable
  fighter needs a bit of AoE to come up with everything else, there are many many games to take ideas of AoE skills (also tumble should be usable with any weapon specially bow)
  Bard is kind of not even a skill set just something to buff ur normal gameplay (if we rly want this thing to shine we need to make bards stationary with powerfull buffs or movile with low buffing)
  Puppets are OP as thy are
  Gunner just need to get its freaking position lag fixed
  archery and close combat need to get better base stat damage... its just stupid how u can get more dmg with guns normal attack than magnum (unless u r overly reforged/comboed)

  
  
  Honestly i'd worry about the latter skill-sets later. Life skills the way you mentioned them is how I'd fix em, probably make training requirements a bit less, and add a talent for magic craft/engineering skills, or combine it with another.
• KillukiZaoldyeck wrote on 2015-02-24 09:28
  [Image: http://oi62.tinypic.com/34pcj9u.jpg]

  
  
  TL;DR: New CEO is just a phantom, reminds me of:
  

  [Image: http://www.hadimitidoyarajoy.com/m3.jpg]

  
  
  TL;DR2: Do not expect good life renovations.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-02-24 10:00
  My position falls somewhere in-between ironwoman and darkboy.
  
  [SPOILER="Thoughts"]
  
  * Agree
  * Disagree
  * Neutral
  * Unimportant
  
  

  
  

  
  
  • G19
    
    
    
    • Ridiculous generation difficulty.
      
    • Did not put an actual prerequisite, allowing newbs to do G19, which they can't even complete.
      
    • Gave the raid orders requirements that are ridiculous and/or near-impossible to complete.
      
    • Made the raid stupidly under-rewarding, giving no motivation to do them.
      
    • Made Celestial Spike and its subskills ridiculously underpowered.
      
    • Made Shield of Trust difficult to use and conflicting in party play.
      
    • Made it require ~4 years to get level 225 Crusader.
      
    • Made the Crusader subskills ridiculously hard to acquire and train.
      
    
    
  • Melee Renovation
    
    
    
    • Threw in a whole bunch of random unnecessary things.
      
    • Did not take away Normal Attack, Smash, and Counterattack's i-frame causing.
      
    • Did not lessen the overall animation locks.
      
    • Neglected to fix Taunt and Wind Guard.
      
    • Neglected to lift dual-wield weapon restrictions.
      
    • Neglected to lift 2h weapon restrictions for humans.
      
    • Neglected to lift 2h weapon, dual wield, and heavy armor restrictions for elves.
      
    • Neglected to nerf Weapon Masteries when dual-wielding.
      
    • Neglected to nerf Defense skill w/ shield.
      
    • Neglected to buff Defense skill's party defense retardedly small range.
      
    • Neglected to uncap Evasion.
      
    • Neglected to move Tumble into Combat and remove its knuckle requirement.
      
    • Overpowered Final Hit.
      
    • Implemented Rage Impact and Dual Wield Mastery, which are both unnecessary power creeps.
      
    
    
  • Magic Renovation
    
    
    
    • Neglected to nerf Firebolt and Blaze.
      
    • Neglected to buff natural mana regeneration, which is stupidly slow compared to stamina and health.
      
    • Neglected to uncap Meditation and Mana Shield, and instead threw in a skill that makes Meditation obsolete.
      
    • Neglected to lessen Meditation's stamina regeneration halt.
      
    • Neglected to rebalance Healing's odd healing:mana ratio, remove/lessen self-Healing's stamina consumption, and/or buff Healing.
      
    • Neglected to touch Spellwalk, which has a stupidly high stamina cost and isn't compatible with magic shields and/or advanced magic spells.
      
    • Neglected to buff Hail Storm's ridiculously small range and splash; from personal experience its very hard to utilize both.
      
    • Neglected to make Hail Storm not cancel on knockdown and/or less interruptible. There isn't really much of a way for Hail to defend itself other than area of effect pets.
      
    • Neglected to remove the damage decrease on distance of Shockwave and Meteor Strike, which are unnecessary hampers.
      
    • Neglected to lower Shockwave's stupidly high mana cost.
      
    • Left Meteor Strike mostly shit outside of its master title.
      
    • Neglected to give Elves an actual advantage over humans and giants in magic, which according to character creation they excel in magic.
      
    • Overpowered Lightning Rod.
      
    
    
  • Archer Renovation
    
    
    
    • Rushed Archer Renovation.
      
    • Made Luck Evasion very slightly less of an issue rather than removing it outright; 100% requires standing still, which no one is going to do.
      
    • Neglected to remove aggressive aggro for just targeting something with a bow/xbow.
      
    • Neglected to give Elves an actual advantage over humans in archery.
      
    • Gave humans an even shorter Support Shot cooldown time than elves, which makes no sense.
      
    • Did not enhance Support Shot's and Spider Shot's party play.
      
    • Left Crash Shot's cooldown alone. As the only archer area of effect aside from Magnum splash, it's much slower than pre-Genesis and combined with the need to aim which isn't enhanced by Ranged Attack it's somewhat difficult to use.
      
    • Left Mirage Missile buggy.
      
    • Neglected to fix Elven Magic Missile.
      
    • Left Final Shot's load time and its load time decrease intact, rather than giving it a proper utility buff.
      
    • Lowered Final Shot's cooldown slightly, but doesn't come anywhere close to Final Hit's cooldown.
      
    • Needlessly buffed Throwing Attack/Atlatls to the point where giant "archery" can rival a human's/elf's, instead of just allowing it to be used with other weapons.
      
    • Added a buggy and somewhat hard to use Urgent Shot.
      
    • Did not add any more archer skills to increase its diversity.
      
    
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  We generally need to curb power creep, diversify tactics, and increase rewards in proportion to risk.
• Noctuneko wrote on 2015-02-24 18:32

  Quote from Darkboy132;1266324:

  [SPOILER="Right"]
  

  
  
  • G19:
    
    
    
    • Fixed the storyline so that it isn't shit compared to Chapter 4 and 5/Saga.
      
    • Implemented a new and challenging system.
      
    
    
  • Melee Renovation:
    
    
    
    • Buffed Charge's damage.
      
    • Gave Final Hit more utility.
      
    • Buffed Stomp's damage and range.
      
    
    
  • Magic Renovation
    
    
    
    • Made magic overall faster.
      
    • Ice Spear no longer getting in the way of party play.
      
    
    
  • Archer Renovation
    
    
    
    • Increased utility in some areas.
      
    
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  [SPOILER="Wrong"]
  

  
  
  • G19
    
    
    
    • Ridiculous generation difficulty.
      
    • Did not put an actual prerequisite, allowing newbs to do G19, which they can't even complete.
      
    • Gave the raid orders requirements that are ridiculous and/or near-impossible to complete.
      
    • Made the raid stupidly under-rewarding, giving no motivation to do them.
      
    • Made Celestial Spike and its subskills ridiculously underpowered.
      
    • Made Shield of Trust difficult to use and conflicting in party play.
      
    • Made it require ~4 years to get level 225 Crusader.
      
    • Made the Crusader subskills ridiculously hard to acquire and train.
      
    
    
  • Melee Renovation
    
    
    
    • Threw in a whole bunch of random unnecessary things.
      
    • Did not take away Normal Attack, Smash, and Counterattack's i-frame causing.
      
    • Did not lessen the overall animation locks.
      
    • Neglected to fix Taunt and Wind Guard.
      
    • Neglected to lift dual-wield weapon restrictions.
      
    • Neglected to lift 2h weapon restrictions for humans.
      
    • Neglected to lift 2h weapon, dual wield, and heavy armor restrictions for elves.
      
    • Neglected to nerf Weapon Masteries when dual-wielding.
      
    • Neglected to nerf Defense skill w/ shield.
      
    • Neglected to buff Defense skill's party defense retardedly small range.
      
    • Neglected to uncap Evasion.
      
    • Neglected to move Tumble into Combat and remove its knuckle requirement.
      
    • Overpowered Final Hit.
      
    • Implemented Rage Impact and Dual Wield Mastery, which are both unnecessary power creeps.
      
    
    
  • Magic Renovation
    
    
    
    • Neglected to nerf Firebolt and Blaze.
      
    • Neglected to buff natural mana regeneration, which is stupidly slow compared to stamina and health.
      
    • Neglected to uncap Meditation and Mana Shield, and instead threw in a skill that makes Meditation obsolete.
      
    • Neglected to lessen Meditation's stamina regeneration halt.
      
    • Neglected to rebalance Healing's odd healing:mana ratio, remove/lessen self-Healing's stamina consumption, and/or buff Healing.
      
    • Neglected to touch Spellwalk, which has a stupidly high stamina cost and isn't compatible with magic shields and/or advanced magic spells.
      
    • Neglected to buff Hail Storm's ridiculously small range and splash; from personal experience its very hard to utilize both.
      
    • Neglected to make Hail Storm not cancel on knockdown and/or less interruptible. There isn't really much of a way for Hail to defend itself other than area of effect pets.
      
    • Neglected to remove the damage decrease on distance of Shockwave and Meteor Strike, which are unnecessary hampers.
      
    • Neglected to lower Shockwave's stupidly high mana cost.
      
    • Left Meteor Strike mostly shit outside of its master title.
      
    • Neglected to give Elves an actual advantage over humans and giants in magic, which according to character creation they excel in magic.
      
    • Overpowered Lightning Rod.
      
    
    
  • Archer Renovation
    
    
    
    • Rushed Archer Renovation.
      
    • Made Luck Evasion very slightly less of an issue rather than removing it outright; 100% requires standing still, which no one is going to do.
      
    • Neglected to remove aggressive aggro for just targeting something with a bow/xbow.
      
    • Neglected to give Elves an actual advantage over humans in archery.
      
    • Gave humans an even shorter Support Shot cooldown time than elves, which makes no sense.
      
    • Did not enhance Support Shot's and Spider Shot's party play.
      
    • Left Crash Shot's cooldown alone. As the only archer area of effect aside from Magnum splash, it's much slower than pre-Genesis and combined with the need to aim which isn't enhanced by Ranged Attack it's somewhat difficult to use.
      
    • Left Mirage Missile buggy.
      
    • Neglected to fix Elven Magic Missile.
      
    • Left Final Shot's load time and its load time decrease intact, rather than giving it a proper utility buff.
      
    • Lowered Final Shot's cooldown slightly, but doesn't come anywhere close to Final Hit's cooldown.
      
    • Needlessly buffed Throwing Attack/Atlatls to the point where giant "archery" can rival a human's/elf's, instead of just allowing it to be used with other weapons.
      
    • Added a buggy and somewhat hard to use Urgent Shot.
      
    • Did not add any more archer skills to increase its diversity.
      
    
    

  [/SPOILER]
  
  Honestly, I'm iffy to trust Life, Fighter, Bard, Puppet, and Gunner, in the hands of the new director...

  
  
  He couldn't make life skills worse, but same case was with archery, and he didn't do much to fix anything of it so i wouldn't trust them at all.
  I agree with most of the wrong ones.
  
  They could:
  *Nerf everything but melee and range to balance it out.
  
  *Allow giants to use ballistas (likexbows) with high but slow damage.
  
  *Allow elves to specialize on melee, let them wield dual and 2 handers or make it so they compensate low dmg with fast attacks, tons of them.
  
  *Add some more skills to ranged.
  
  *Make ninja dex + will based so there wont be as many plate armoured ninjas runing around (and makes more sense).
  
  *Give fighter a counterattack skill that when activated it will switch into stance and auto counter anyone that attacks physically lasting certain amount of time (like a mix of windguard and counter) to make it just slightly more reliable in multi agro situations.
  
  *Make heavy armors lower movement speed (not a lot) and reward fighting with clothing maybe? leaving light armors in a middle point.
  
  *Give archery aim meter a damage multiplier, remove support shot cooldown, and maybe let elves have a piercing mastery or some kind of piercing bonus, critical or accuracy over humans.
  
  *Make anything from gacha obtainable via life skills crafting and dungeon rewards.
  
  *Revamp the life skills GUI so its less of a pain to use at least.
  
  *Revert to the old movement system to fix the displacement lag.
  
  *Make most fighter skills useable with barehands.
  
  
  Thats just a few suggestions that could improve the game, if they even cared... but thats my opinion.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-24 18:47

  Quote from Kapra;1266333:

  making tumble usable by anything [if I had it my way I would only enable it for certain weapons and not everything]).

  
  
  I don't see why you're against that. It's not helping Fighter much, but if it didn't use up a loaded skill it would significantly help mage, alchemists, and archers (though the latter has Urgent Shot).
  
  

  Also, the whole "it takes years to max out crusader subskills" that people are complaining about is what I am praising. I hate how fast even a new player from scratch can max out their trans skills. (As far as I'm concerned its the main issue with transformation, other than them overwriting titles/being inferior to modern titles.) Crusader skills are the right way to go, albeit with some poorly though requirements.

  
  
  You're absolutely insane if you think Breaking Lies' training requirements are fine.
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-02-24 20:07

  Quote from Kapra;1266333:

  he could have gone a lot worse (like uncapping Mana Shield

  
  
  I don't really see uncapping mana shield as a bad thing.
  If we were still on the old formula yes.
  As of today all it would bring me to uncap mana shield is a few more points on my mana bar, and a few more INT, which is the only reason I would rank it.
  It's become pretty useless as an actual skill to use.