[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Ranged Combat // 12th of Feburary, 2015

• Kapra wrote on 2015-02-24 22:00

  Quote from Darkboy132;1266364:

  I don't see why you're against that. It's not helping Fighter much, but if it didn't use up a loaded skill it would significantly help mage, alchemists, and archers (though the latter has Urgent Shot).
  

  
  It not helping fighter much is arguable, I consider it one of the more important skills in the Fighter tab, particularly with reverse tumbling. I don't want Tumble to be usable with Alchemy, Lances, or Puppetry. Melee and archery I can understand, maybe dual guns and magic too. But I would rather the current director not touch Tumble at all rather than open it up to everything. Tumble is already in a great place, it doesn't really need fixing. It would just be nice if some other things that could benefit from it (but not overly benefit) could get access to it too, not everything.
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1266364:

  You're absolutely insane if you think Breaking Lies' training requirements are fine.

  
  That's why I said the requirements could have used better foresight. But the idea that it takes years to get enough levels to max them is great in my book. That's what kept Mabi alive in other parts of the game.
  

  Quote from Osayidan;1266366:

  I don't really see uncapping mana shield as a bad thing.
  If we were still on the old formula yes.
  As of today all it would bring me to uncap mana shield is a few more points on my mana bar, and a few more INT, which is the only reason I would rank it.
  It's become pretty useless as an actual skill to use.

  
  What Mana Shield needs is another formula update, not an uncap. You can't just uncap a skill without addressing the issues in its lower ranks.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-02-24 22:02

  Quote from Osayidan;1266366:

  I don't really see uncapping mana shield as a bad thing.
  If we were still on the old formula yes.
  As of today all it would bring me to uncap mana shield is a few more points on my mana bar, and a few more INT, which is the only reason I would rank it.
  It's become pretty useless as an actual skill to use.

  
  
  Uncapping skills is obviously bad, regardless of their nerfing. Skills must stay capped to keep them correctly balanced!
• willcaster wrote on 2015-02-25 00:46

  Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1266375:

  Uncapping skills is obviously bad, regardless of their nerfing. Skills must stay capped to keep them correctly balanced!

  
  
  My opinion: if its oky the way it is just uncap it to rank 1 but keep it the same Mana Efficiency rank F 0.5 rank 1 1.8
  it would just drain some extra aps. and maybe a sexy tittle that helps improve the skill
  
  If something is OP rebalance it not nerf it. Rebalance lets say smash with 1 handed weapon deals + 100% extra dmg if done againts back of monste;r extra 350% if done with dagger or something diff to our current game
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-25 02:08

  Quote from Osayidan;1266366:

  As of today all it would bring me to uncap mana shield is a few more points on my mana bar, and a few more INT, which is the only reason I would rank it.

  
  
  ^.
  
  Don't care about Mana Shield's use, give me the fucking stats that have been locked away since forever. :shoe:
• Kapra wrote on 2015-02-25 02:18
  Exactly why Mana Shield needs a buff, not an uncap. Just an uncap won't do. Only justification I've heard for not buffing mana shield was "reforges are overpowered" and duh, reforges are meant to be overpowered. Vanilla mana shield has been a poor use of mana (in my opinion) since Enlightenment.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-02-25 02:47
  Can someone explain to me how 60 (with moderate int) to 85% (with high int and mage gear) damage reduction needs a buff
  
  for reference:
  
  

  [Image: http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4983/sdei.png]
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-02-25 03:13

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1266404:

  Can someone explain to me how 60 (with moderate int) to 85% (with high int and mage gear) damage reduction needs a buff
  
  for reference:
  
  

  [Image: http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4983/sdei.png]

  
  
  It doesn't.
  
  Player defense needs a nerf. Namely the defense afforded through strength.
  
  Alternatively, you can universally buff monster damage output but that would have to be carefully handled as that would be a much more complicated solution.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-02-25 04:04

  Quote from willcaster;1266389:

  My opinion: if its oky the way it is just uncap it to rank 1 but keep it the same Mana Efficiency rank F 0.5 rank 1 1.8
  it would just drain some extra aps. and maybe a sexy tittle that helps improve the skill
  
  If something is OP rebalance it not nerf it. Rebalance lets say smash with 1 handed weapon deals + 100% extra dmg if done againts back of monste;r extra 350% if done with dagger or something diff to our current game

  
  
  Have any opinion, long as it's not insane o3o I'm being sarcastic also, it's fun messing with some people lool
  
  Sometimes in Mabi, things need rebalancing and nerfing though.
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2015-02-25 07:05

  Quote from Kaeporo;1266338:

  Neglected to give Elves an actual advantage over humans in archery.

  
  
  This is about all I thought of this update. Well, fuck you too devCAT/Nexon, guess I'll keep ignoring mabi combat til they come up with something decent, probably never t(-. -t)
• Zeo wrote on 2015-02-25 08:08
  Like some users mentioned recently... And I'd hate to bring it but I'm in favor for uncapping Mana Shield and Meditation to rank 1.
  
  Uncapping them might make it bit overpowered, especially for Mana Shield, which is why you rebalance mana shield so it can be bit better at rank 1, while rank 3 would be equal to rank 6.
  
  I do like Mana Recover because it gives me extra MPs from ranking it... but it made meditation useless.
  
  As for Crusader levels taking three or four years to cap at 225, that's ridiclous and a single content shouldn't take more than one year at most to fully complete.
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-02-25 12:54

  Quote from Kapra;1266400:

  Exactly why Mana Shield needs a buff, not an uncap. Just an uncap won't do. Only justification I've heard for not buffing mana shield was "reforges are overpowered" and duh, reforges are meant to be overpowered. Vanilla mana shield has been a poor use of mana (in my opinion) since Enlightenment.

  
  
  This is why I want an uncap, regardless of any other factors:
  
  

  [Image: https://i.imgur.com/ONsF7Zy.jpg]

  
  
  If it's going to stay capped then why tease us with those delicious mana points for non-existing skill ranks?
  It's all I care about. How mana shield works and if it is or isn't overpowered is an entirely different, unrelated situation as far as I'm concerned.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-02-25 15:06
  Mana Shield used to be useful to avoid wound damage, but I think that it could use an uncap and a slight buff so that you don't lose so much damned mana.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-25 18:45

  Quote from Zeo;1266422:

  I do like Mana Recover because it gives me extra MPs from ranking it... but it made meditation useless.

  
  
  Rank 7 - 1 Meditation actually gives more Mana than MR... I'd rather have that instead.
  
  Honestly I'm wondering if KR is complaining about capped skills and/or the fact that Mana Recovery just seems to make Meditation obsolete.
• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2015-02-25 19:37
  Why is there a discussion on mana shield, mana recovery, and meditation in the ranged combat update thread =|
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-02-25 19:53

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1266454:

  Why is there a discussion on mana shield, mana recovery, and meditation in the ranged combat update thread =|

  
  
  Good Question, probably because they ran out of things to discuss with such a lack luster update. Seriously though, the Archery update was outclassed severely by the Alban Dungeon which essentially threw archery under the bridge with a quick passing mention of oh ya you got some new crossbows and urgent shot, kthnxbai!
  
  I really don't think we'll be doing our usual overview thread on the Archery Update for a few reasons.
  
  1) I never did like ranged and I don't have the patience or characters for ranged (I've always favored Melee/Magic a lot more in the world of Mabi in terms of skill sets so those updates is what really got me excited)
  2) I'd rather focus on Alban Training Grounds as that seems a lot more interesting and promising
  3) Getting tired of doing these threads and just want to go relax doing something else for once
  
  I may change my mind on that but for now, ya...going with the Alban Training Grounds