[KR] Ninja Talent FGT (Focus Group Test) Pre-Announcement

• Rixx wrote on 2015-03-09 09:31
  Announcement
  
  Greetings,
  this is Mabinogi.
  
  We are starting Ninja Talent FGT on 28th of March, 2015.
  
  FGT is an abbreviation for Focus Group Test,
  we would like to gather Miletians with high interest in Ninja Talent and present Ninja Talent first-hand.
  
  As we tried to communicate Miletians' opinion in previous winter's Close Combat, Magic and Archery revamps,
  we would like to gather Miletians' opinion on Ninja Talent before we officially launch it.
  
  For Erinn that we both Mabinogi Developers and Miletians make 'together',
  we would like your support for Ninja Talent FGT!
  
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  â–  FGT Date : 28th of March, 2 PM ~ 4 PM
  â–  Venue : Nexon Pangyo Building
  â–  Application Date : After 12th of March maintenance ~ 22nd of March
  - We will announce application process and details.
  â–  Applicants Limit : 45 People
  â–  Participation Reward : 50 000 NX, etc
  
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  For better quality of contents, we would like your participation (__)
  
  Thank you.
  
  
  Source: http://mabinogi.nexon.com/C3/post.asp?id=A9XX4883398X1X1
  
  
  ...
  
  Personal thoughts.
  
  I thought Ninja was already 'ok' as it is now in other regions.
  
  I know Korea was having issues with the whole concept of "Ninja",
  because a lot of players were protesting against it, as Ninja is a Japanese culture.
  
  I wonder if they're trying to localise the whole talent with different animations and what not.
  Maybe they'll receive a different name, if they do get different animations to make Ninja lookillset?
  (Hwarang, perhaps? LOL I don't know...)
  
  Personally, I'm hoping they'd come up with cool animations so that people can have a choice on what animations they want to use.
  One talent, two styles?
  
  Do you think they changed up something?
  If they did, what would you expect Ninja Talent to have?
• Kapra wrote on 2015-03-09 10:04
  I totally called it! Kinda.
• Rixx wrote on 2015-03-09 10:18

  Quote from Kapra;1267328:

  I totally called it! Kinda.

  
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/YbJZ7CP.jpg]

  
  
  This was when they accidently added ninja on KR Test.
  Apparently KR didn't have plans for Ninja Talent (because it's Japanese content),
  
  ...
  
  It's been 8 minutes since someone started a poll on Korean forums,
  there are 4 people saying Yes for Ninja,
  30 against it and 8 people don't care.
  
  And you know what?
  Someone commented "Why not Doki Doki Island?" and is getting a bit of likes to that comment.
  
  And here I thought Doki Doki Island is "Japanese", haha.
  The irony 8D
  
  Edit: I think same thing happened when Dual Guns were introduced. These players, man...
  Tbh it was already "screwed up" (in their words) when they introduced Alchemy.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-03-09 13:23
  KR is weird like that I suppose. I honestly don't get KR's anti ninja mentality when it's been perfectly fine in NA and JP but I guess it's whatever.
  
  If KR does get ninja, perhaps I can finally beat Girgashiy by using those neat ninja tricks to try and drop aggro and lure them to their doom.
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-03-09 13:50

  
  As we tried to communicate Miletians' opinion in previous winter's Close Combat, Magic and Archery revamps,
  we would like to gather Miletians' opinion on Ninja Talent before we officially launch it.

  
  
  Did they really take opinions into consideration? Based on what I have seen about the archery update most people seem to have a negative opinion.
  So if this is how KR nexon considers opinions I guess ninja is going to be shoved onto live server immediately with little regard to what people had to say about it.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-09 17:22

  Quote from Osayidan;1267342:

  Did they really take opinions into consideration? Based on what I have seen about the archery update most people seem to have a negative opinion.
  So if this is how KR nexon considers opinions I guess ninja is going to be shoved onto live server immediately with little regard to what people had to say about it.

  
  
  IIRC there were complaints on all three of the revamps. This director keeps spouting a whole bunch of bullshit on "community opinion" when he hasn't really done that at all. I'm pretty sure a lot of people wanted to have less overall animation locks than giving Smash some debuff, less restrictive movement on Defense and Counterattack, splash on Charge and Assault Slash, etc.
  
  Remind me again why KR is heavily opposed to Ninja?
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-03-09 17:36

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1267337:

  KR is weird like that I suppose. I honestly don't get KR's anti ninja mentality when it's been perfectly fine in NA and JP but I guess it's whatever.
  
  If KR does get ninja, perhaps I can finally beat Girgashiy by using those neat ninja tricks to try and drop aggro and lure them to their doom.

  
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1267360:

  
  Remind me again why KR is heavily opposed to Ninja?

  
  
  It's mostly because of cultural/historical reference. Historically speaking, Korea and Japan haven't really been friends, with the worst relation during the Japanese occupation, because well, speaking from a fairly neutral standpoint, I don't think any country would be too fond of the other country if one had to go through series of massacres, tortures, and other war crimes. And to this day, although arguably less, people are against many of "Japanese" contents, and Ninja being one of them. There are still "anti-Japan" movement seen, although quite less than before, and if you're an outspoken fan of Japanese stuff, chance is that you won't be seen very favorably.
  
  Another reason I can think of is the originality/authenticity of the game, arguing why we would even need a reference to Japanese culture when the game is a Korean game.
  
  The last reason I can think of is the huge boost of STR, which breaks down the balance of melee skills compared to others. People will be doing even crazier damage on the KR grounds.
• Sledeau wrote on 2015-03-09 23:37
  There's a bug with Shadow Bind where stuff like knockbacks from fire dragons, NPC's in conflict, and Crisis will still knock them back, but it won't update on player's screens until after the shadow bind wears off and the npc moves again. hope that gets fixed
  
  Otherwise Ninja is allright. It could use some improvements, but its not useless, but hopefully KR player opinion will help them fix some of the jankiness and grindiness of it
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-03-10 00:02

  Quote from Sledeau;1267390:

  There's a bug with Shadow Bind where stuff like knockbacks from fire dragons, NPC's in conflict, and Crisis will still knock them back, but it won't update on player's screens until after the shadow bind wears off and the npc moves again. hope that gets fixed

  
  
  Shadow Bind just has a delayed effect. I have NEVER seen knockback occur while Shadow Bind is in effect.
• Rixx wrote on 2015-03-10 02:26
  They "could" develop the third major continent Ruairi mentioned in Saga.
  Maybe make it oriental, Asian sort of place.
  But I don't think Korea has time for that :)
  
  They're just doing FGT to put on a show, to make themselves look like they're listening to players.
  But they're only gathering people who want Ninja in KR, so it's quite unfair on majority of players.
  Even if players say they'll quit the game if Ninja comes in, I know for sure that they won't quit. Ever.
  
  ...
  
  I seriously don't know.
  It just seems childish that they're going against a "Ninja" talent.
  It's not like Ninjas occupied Korea...
  To me, majority of people look like they're just going along with the 'flow'.
  
  But yeah, Ninja is really an odd talent.
  At least Dual Guns had their own background story behind it, with extra contents (Hilwen Mines... changes to elf vs giant stance... etc)
• Traw wrote on 2015-03-10 02:33

  Quote from Rixx;1267410:

  But yeah, Ninja is really an odd talent.
  At least Dual Guns had their own background story behind it, with extra contents (Hilwen Mines... changes to elf vs giant stance... etc)

  
  
  What are you talking about ninja has a great back story
  
  Once upon a time a mabinogi director decided to halfass shit and make a talent similiar to both gunner and alchemy for no reason at all
• Kapra wrote on 2015-03-10 02:35

  Quote from Rixx;1267410:

  They "could" develop the third major continent Ruairi mentioned in Saga.
  Maybe make it oriental, Asian sort of place.
  But I don't think Korea has time for that :)
  

  
  Actually, throughout G4-7 (not sure if anything in 8 referenced it) there was mentions of an oriental land east of Iria, you can still see some remnants of this in item descriptions, keyword responses, some exploration quests unless they retranslated them in Treasure Hunter. Plans wer ecut short when the C2 director died and C2 came to an abrumpt halt.
  
  Later in G12, they planned on adding an Oriental Town somewhere in G13, no clue if it was intended to be the same place as the one mentioned in C2. But that never saw fruition. And for the longest time the models there went unused.
  
  Until Doki Doki Island came and reused the assets of the oriental town. (Nope Nekojima didn't have the Oriental Models, they're not from there.)
  
  

  Quote from Rixx;1267410:

  At least Dual Guns had their own background story behind it, with extra contents (Hilwen Mines... changes to elf vs giant stance... etc)

  
  Dual Guns didn't have any story at all. All we can get is assuming how things work based on item descriptions, Saga 1 had no talk of guns at all as far as I noticed, other than mentioning shyllien is combustible.
  
  
  I just hope Korea doesn't go like, fixing Ninja so that it's something other than Str+Will, otherwise NA probably will never adjust.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-03-10 02:56
  At this point... I won't be surprised if they ended up ignoring Ninja talent and ended up making a new skillset based off str/will, and we, NA Mabi, will end up getting double str/will skill tab... Ninja plus other one.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-03-10 03:50

  Quote from Zeo;1267415:

  At this point... I won't be surprised if they ended up ignoring Ninja talent and ended up making a new skillset based off str/will, and we, NA Mabi, will end up getting double str/will skill tab... Ninja plus other one.

  
  I was moreso thinking:
  

  
  
  • A: KR adds another/different Str+Will and because NA already has a Str+Will, we never get THAT talent or it uses different stats here.
    
  • B: KR does add Ninja and keeps it as Str+Will but doesn't call it Ninja and alters the models/animations to not reference Japanese culture at all. (Like how they changed Martial Artists using Guns into Cowboys from Space in Maplestory.)
    
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-03-10 04:27
  Yeah, like Rixx said, people protesting the Ninja talent because of Anti-Japanese thoughts is silly.
  
  I honestly couldn't care less about Ninja. One thing I'd like to see get fixed is the god awful running animation.