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Citrusjuice wrote on 2015-03-30 04:00
Quote from Nui;1269450:
You would have to be dumb to be letting those things hit u while in fh. if u see a mob loading those skills u focus it and kill it or cancel the attack not just stand there and let it hit u.
i find it funny that people thinks they're invincible while FH is active. IDK how you will dodge everything when mobs muti aggro usually group in a crowd which doesn't allow you to click on specific targets due to the nature of mabi's cursor. Also you are assuming everyone is so smart they can multi task / keep track of what every mob is doing (obviously not when half the players doesn't even know what they're doing).
FH wouldnt even matter in most cases if SR and puppets clear everything unless you are bossing which in most cases they have knockbacks and knock downs of sorts. Sure i'll admit new fh is op but mostly only early to mid game.
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ironwoman wrote on 2015-03-30 04:05
Actually, it's the other way around.
Final hit will really shine when you have high base damage. In early or mid game, it's not really that strong. Once you get past 720 max though? Completely different story.
From the sheer damage that the skill provides, you can essentially neglect the knock back part since the chance is, you'll kill before they have chances to knock you back.
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Rydian wrote on 2015-03-30 04:57
Yeah, there's definitely differences when you use weapons of different speeds and strengths.
I carry around a pair of beam swords just for Final Hit 'cause my normal swords are pretty shitty at it.
The speed increase has me almost drooling in anticipation 'cause combining that stuff with the high teleport distance at large ranges...
Mnhhh baby.
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Citrusjuice wrote on 2015-03-30 04:59
What do you even use fh on in late game? Only thing i can think of are raids.
Thing is, if you cant 1 hit them, they usually 1 hit you.
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Syliara wrote on 2015-03-30 05:04
Quote from Citrusjuice;1269459:
i find it funny that people thinks they're invincible while FH is active. IDK how you will dodge everything when mobs muti aggro usually group in a crowd which doesn't allow you to click on specific targets due to the nature of mabi's cursor. Also you are assuming everyone is so smart they can multi task / keep track of what every mob is doing (obviously not when half the players doesn't even know what they're doing).
FH wouldnt even matter in most cases if SR and puppets clear everything unless you are bossing which in most cases they have knockbacks and knock downs of sorts. Sure i'll admit new fh is op but mostly only early to mid game.
You know a lot of mobs have auto aggro limits as in as long as u dont aggro a mob in a lot of cases at most ull get like 2-3 mobs auto aggroing u at a time. Even with the cases of tons of multi aggro u can utilize things like lullaby or even use berserk to keep from being knocked back as long as ur not too crazy about it and pay attention to ur hp. I can see wat most mobs in the room are doing pretty easily and can pick them off and get to them before they can do anything, its called not having intense tunnel vision.
FH is going to be like WotG in that its mainly meant for bossing since it has such high focus target dps. And with the speed it will have combined with weapons like focused beams it will make mobs knocking u back pretty unlikely. FH will most likely end up like WotG is now and be something used along with gunner to make focus target dpsing meta.
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alwmiioktm wrote on 2015-03-30 05:13
Quote from Nui;1269467:
You know a lot of mobs have auto aggro limits as in as long as u dont aggro a mob in a lot of cases at most ull get like 2-3 mobs auto aggroing u at a time. Even with the cases of tons of multi aggro u can utilize things like lullaby or even use berserk to keep from being knocked back as long as ur not too crazy about it and pay attention to ur hp. I can see wat most mobs in the room are doing pretty easily and can pick them off and get to them before they can do anything, its called not having intense tunnel vision.
FH is going to be like WotG in that its mainly meant for bossing since it has such high focus target dps. And with the speed it will have combined with weapons like focused beams it will make mobs knocking u back pretty unlikely. FH will most likely end up like WotG is now and be something used along with gunner to make focus target dpsing meta.
Final his is basically warriors equivalent to WOTG as Nui said. And it is a very large deciding factor when making a new character because like with wotg, once you are in a safe point to unleash DPS then you will literally tear through everything. If you're worried about tanking with final hit then make some RK armor like I did, this is completely in regards to DPS though (Which is the new meta, not really so much tanking).
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Rydian wrote on 2015-03-30 07:20
The concept of tanking in Mabi is relatively-new to begin with.
Outside of that one giant who used wind guard and prot stacking pre-En/Zero to survive a dragon dash.
That was impressive.
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Syliara wrote on 2015-03-30 08:51
Quote from Rydian;1269477:
The concept of tanking in Mabi is relatively-new to begin with.
Outside of that one giant who used wind guard and prot stacking pre-En/Zero to survive a dragon dash.
That was impressive.
When i think of tanking I think of actual tanking not just being a meat shield. Until mabi has a reliable aggro grabbing skill that actually works well I cannot say that there is any actual tanking in this game. I can say theres meat shielding or just being able to take massive damage but not actual tanking... I really wish that there was actual aggro grabbing skills so that there could actually be some forms of role besides healer and dps when ur in a party however most people are pretty against this and think it could cause mabi to turn into "just another mmo" but honestly as long as they just add either a skillset or a skill or 2 that can grab aggro and/or reliably tank hits it could make an actual tank in this game.
This has gotten pretty off track. To answer ur earlier question about races and end game blah blah blah I would recommend doing w/e u want it wont make a huge difference in the end since once ur end game u can basically steam roll most current content solo regardless of wat you are. I personally enjoy humans because of the fact that they arent restricted by certain things like giants and elves and devcat is constantly messing with things so humans can normally try out and do well in every new meta that devcat decides to throw in the mix.
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Oensong wrote on 2015-03-30 15:00
Nui, not that I disagree, as an aggro grabbing skill for other races, like Taunt, for mass aggro pull, is needed to be considered "Tanking".
Tanking can still be done, tediously, with magic bolts. And All races can contribute to it. It does take fast connection, and on some cases a small bit of P2W with things such as Ice Dragons and Clouds to stop being pummeled in a corner for 2 seconds to grab another monster. However its still doable for Humans and Elves.
Back on track though, I agree with Nui. End game doesn't make a huge difference. The damage gap between Giants and Humans in end game wont be by too much.
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Oberynn wrote on 2015-03-30 16:17
Ultimately, reforges are what truly make all the difference endgame so as long as the skills and traits you want to use are available to you, that's all that matters as far as races.
Like human skills? That's fine. For all you know, you might get a Smash 20 + Ele 6 lance when you get to reforging and you're instantly better at smashing than any giant without one could ever hope to be.
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Crhymez wrote on 2015-03-30 17:16
Quote from Oberynn;1269498:
Ultimately, reforges are what truly make all the difference endgame so as long as the skills and traits you want to use are available to you, that's all that matters as far as races.
Like human skills? That's fine. For all you know, you might get a Smash 20 + Ele 6 lance when you get to reforging and you're instantly better at smashing than any giant without one could ever hope to be.
Im torn between a giant or human.
I really wish all humans didnt look like kids
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Oensong wrote on 2015-03-30 18:03
Not sure if it makes any difference, but you can put some facial hair on humans now lol.
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Crhymez wrote on 2015-03-30 19:16
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Not sure if it makes any difference, but you can put some facial hair on humans now lol.
how is this done?
Any screenshots?
I really wish humans could age past 17, Like the first npc you meet as a human, that old man. Would be cool if you could get old like that
I also like the build of giants but i also plan to play for a very long time. What it seems like is Humans are the balance race, and people that play giants are mainly using them to be the top damage at one style of fighting.
Im a big fan of versatility, i can care less who has the most damage.... But i do care if portions of the game are limited due to me being a giant.
I have been told by giant users that they regret using giants for the reason stated above.... I just wish humans had more "manly" body features.
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Oensong wrote on 2015-03-30 19:27
Go to the dressing room icon on the bottom of your screen. Its the 3rd option from the right.
Next Select the "Person" picture on the left hand side of your new pop up window.
Select the Head Icon, second from the right, at the top of that pop up window.
Scroll to the bottom of all the faces, and you have facial hair.
It takes pons to get them. So be aware of that.
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Crhymez wrote on 2015-03-30 22:17
Quote from Oensong;1269515:
Go to the dressing room icon on the bottom of your screen. Its the 3rd option from the right.
Next Select the "Person" picture on the left hand side of your new pop up window.
Select the Head Icon, second from the right, at the top of that pop up window.
Scroll to the bottom of all the faces, and you have facial hair.
It takes pons to get them. So be aware of that.
So only way to get them is IRL cash, or can you buy them from players also?
Another thing i found this video, I really like that combo, MA/Ninja, Looks like it overcomes the range lost by archery..... I will have to test both but i really think i will main a giant. Too bad there are no real "adult" humans
[video=youtube;_Mmg4R1gKx0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mmg4R1gKx0#t=371[/video]