Melee Renovation Q&A

• 800mans wrote on 2015-04-17 01:18

  Quote from Twin;1271301:

  Yea I have nothing else to contribute this thread. The logic of buffing something to extreme levels just to balance something out with something else that's already way to strong instead of rebalancing is nuts. Almost enough to make meh lose hope for some of the community. Not Mabi, just some players.

  
  
  It's not extreme, imo the skillsets are pretty much the same now with the exception of range due to lag. It's also not extreme levels since fh requires some seriously heavy gear to make it worthwhile (long cd).
  
  Second, how would you expect this game to be *hard* if reforges and piercing exist? I was a beta tester, so I played back when no one could 1 hit a golem with 1 shot and when ciar int for 4 was literally the hardest mission you could do. Yea it was challenging back then, but the playstyle was literally, wm corner camp + fb/icebolt support.
  
  Nowadays what is it? raincast + puppet-> blaze into MA? The only difference between now and then is that the monsters are easier to kill now. thats about it.
  
  I personally don't even use op skillsets. I've literally been dual wielding and playing exclusive close combat (no lance, no lullaby, not alch support, etc.). Just pure smash, assault, wm, def counter, charge, etc. I can't even do some elites using this set up but its fun. So im happy that the buff came so I can try some harder missions now. The people complaining about the game being easy are the ones who are using the *easy skillsets* or spamming aoe pets.
  
  Trying doing this once in a while: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_BcwyT-KOk
  
  
  Now that I think about it, perhaps thats why people are angry at this update. Something was buffed instead of everything being nerfed.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2015-04-17 03:38

  Quote from Osayidan;1271303:

  And unfortunately this is a major contributing factor to new players actually picking up the game and playing for more than 20 minutes.
  
  I remember when we needed a full party to do rabbie dungeon with everyone just smashing or normal attacking the skeletons randomly with no knowledge of the AI, with skills that took time to load, and windmill that drained your HP, no AoE pets... The game was harder back then. It's also why 90% of the people I suggested the game to quit before their first rebirth.

  
  
  Needed a full party for Rabbie dungeon? I think those players just didn't even bother with tutorial.
  WM may have drained your HP, but you were invincible back then.
  
  Game was totally pay2win back then. You need service for Generations, transform and rebirth. 100% of the people I suggested this game to quit before the first rebirth. Game requires a lot of work, and it was really expensive for the amount of "fun" they could have gotten. There were other F2P games that wasn't so restrictive to development back then. This was the thing that kept Mabinogi from being popular.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-17 09:55

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1271332:

  Needed a full party for Rabbie dungeon? I think those players just didn't even bother with tutorial.
  WM may have drained your HP, but you were invincible back then.
  
  Game was totally pay2win back then. You need service for Generations, transform and rebirth. 100% of the people I suggested this game to quit before the first rebirth. Game requires a lot of work, and it was really expensive for the amount of "fun" they could have gotten. There were other F2P games that wasn't so restrictive to development back then. This was the thing that kept Mabinogi from being popular.

  
  
  I think the tutorial was pretty shit back then, it didn't really explain a lot. Now beginner's benefits, but perhaps its way too friendly with all the teleport books and whatnot.
  
  I'm glad they got rid of the pay2play thing back then, but adding Reforges kind of returns to that spot...
  
  
  
  

  Quote from Tropa;1271270:

  ...and you can do the exact same with a Guard Cylinder.

  
  
  You know, I would find it silly and stupid if the majority of the player-base believed Heisen's idiocy. [S][SIZE="1"]*Demands compensation for Nexon staff spreading false information.*[/SIZE][/S]
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-04-17 10:14
  If you guys are done discussing the merits of Mabinogi being good or bad, I didn't see any of you guys notice the one thing that Heinsenborg let slip which I find to be very interesting.
  
  So to say the Q&A was meaningless was a stretch don't you think. As a reminder:
  
  

  
  Q: Any cool updates with life skills?
  
  Heisenborg: Not in this update, unfortunately. HOWEVER, the Mabinogi Renovation project is a big deal and ongoing. Combat, Magic, and Archery are on the way, and there's some other really cool stuff dealing with life skills (such as commerce and part-time jobs) still being developed by the team in Korea. It's exciting stuff.
  

  
  
  I'm really interested in what this commerce update that KR is working on. I'll look forward to digging info on that soon hehe.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-04-17 10:37

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1271347:

  If you guys are done discussing the merits of Mabinogi being good or bad, I didn't see any of you guys notice the one thing that Heinsenborg let slip which I find to be very interesting.
  
  So to say the Q&A was meaningless was a stretch don't you think. As a reminder:
  
  I'm really interested in what this commerce update that KR is working on. I'll look forward to digging info on that soon hehe.

  
  
  I was more interested in the following segment:
  
  

  Q: Will there be any Dungeon Revamps in the upcoming update?
  Heisenborg: Great question - unfortunately we aren't planning any dungeon changes for this particular update. HOWEVER, we do have some cool dungeon system updates planned for down-the-line. The only changes in this update will be that there are new items which can be earned from dungeons in Uladh. Things like enchants and crafting materials for new weapons.

  
  
  He's probably referring to the Alban Knight Training Camp but who knows?
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-04-17 12:36

  Quote from Kaeporo;1271348:

  I was more interested in the following segment:
  
  
  
  He's probably referring to the Alban Knight Training Camp but who knows?

  
  
  Ya I saw that too. Frankly I prefer new Commerce options over Dungeons. I haven't done commerce in ages granted, but if some new life was to be breathed into that system, I would be all over it.
• Fracture wrote on 2015-04-17 13:47

  Quote from Kaeporo;1271192:

  You should be critical of content updates but not to the point of cynicism.
  
  I've lived through hacking sprees, massive latency issues, the general incompetence of Nexon, and any multitude of unbalanced mechanics. Mabinogi is in a good spot right now.
  
  That being said, I am reminded of the Diva update which arguably reduced the importance of the "bard position" thanks to Singing and introduced the fucking awful Encore skill as well as the Treasure Hunter update which made everything sans lich sketching worse.
  
  I'm unhappy that DevCat has once again missed the mark with this update but this update isn't a surprise to anyone; if nothing else, they've given us a reason to run dungeons.

  
  
  Absolutely there's a need to be critical, and I won't deny that this update is far from perfect. Nexon has a long way to go if they want to fix Mabi and give it a longer lifespan, but they're moving in a better direction right now than they were when their idea of updating the game was just throwing new skillsets out willy-nilly. Ninja? I mean... come on. That was just awful.
  
  One of the biggest things that Mabinogi has always suffered from was old content being made completely obsolete, and never revisiting it. This update, while still bearing some of the hallmarks of that era (the new swords outclass literally everything else in their area, including Demonic and Angelic weapons, what the fuck Nexon I just finished gathering the mats for Pilgrims when you announced these things) is at least trying to breathe life into old content again.
  
  I think one of the problems is that they focus development 100% on large updates, rather than just developing and pushing smaller stuff out as it's ready. I would kill to have them assign a small team to finishing out Hardmode dungeons and adding more Vintage gear, and just tossing it out our way with little fanfare as it's good to go. Design new shadow missions from time to time. Stuff like that.
  
  As for the bard position though... On that note specifically, I've gotta say it was never really in a good place. Pure support positions don't exactly fit correctly with how Mabi works right now. Music, until the Diva update, had been basically a novelty thing. Fooling around with the Berserk effect, stuff like that. Even dedicated healers don't really have a place in Mabi, because there's pretty much no benefit to it over just having Healing ranked. The idea of a support class in general is something Nexon's going to have to revisit if they want to make it happen.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-17 18:36

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1271347:

  I'm really interested in what this commerce update that KR is working on. I'll look forward to digging info on that soon hehe.

  
  
  Pretty sure KR already announced that in their interviews.
  
  I'm not really confident that it'll change for the better. Hopefully they fix all the glitches that plague commerce.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-04-17 22:53
  I'm hoping for...
  
  PTJs
  1 - The new type of daily part-time jobs to be merged in with the keyword type one way or another. Might just be the button since Devcat doesn't like keywords anymore.
  2 - Making it easier to go up part-time job ranks to encourage players to do it themselves.
  3 - Moar seal quests plz so people don't feel like they require tons of alts (the game has enough namespace pollution as it is).
  
  Commerce
  1 - Profit from more places balanced out. Right now it's rarely better to take from Cobh than Bangor, for example, no matter the rates or your rank.
  2 - The prices on various ducat shop goods to be lowered. 750K for a Fomor Knight Lance is lolwut. 1.2mil for a Lyre, 800K for a dream catcher that's wore than Demonic, etc. A lot of these prices may have been alright when this stuff was top-of-the-line back when it first came out, but it's been a while and pretty much everything is outclassed or way too expensive to get there.
  3 - New things in the shops maybe.
• KingFintchz wrote on 2015-04-17 23:09
  I feel like I'm the only one who's content with everything that's been happening, and everything that's going to happen (that's been planned). None of their updates have ever bothered me. I love the implementation of new skill sets and skills regardless of their relevance too the setting(?) of the game. I think that there's always something challenging to do (for me at least) - soloing NPC, Elite SMs, or some of the harder dungeons in timely fashion come to mind (currently unable to do any of those). The only complaint I might have is the mechanics of sword bleeding in PvP when it's implemented, as I have heard that the bleeding damage doesn't scale to PvP percent. Furthermore, with the implementation of defense walking predicting your opponents movements got considerably more difficult - although I don't see many people use shields in PvP excluding giants. Additionally, there have always been concerns for the fairness of PvP come new updates and skillsets but we usually find a way to cope. (So maybe my worry is unnecessary).