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Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-22 19:27
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- Bash > Smash. I see no point in using those debuffs. Bleed is atrociously weak, daze is mostly moot since magic/alchemy is easily intercepted, and that defense reduction is too small to be noticeable.
- Exactly what is the point of lessening the restrictive mobility on Defense and Counterattack? There's still no reason to use them over anything.
- Final Hit needed a utility buff, but its damage is extremely overpowered, especially if it can destroy Provocation Barrier Spikes with just a single use. Likewise, Bash is way too powerful and its stun is too great while making Smash completely obsolete.
- Charge/Assault splash is okay... maybe? I haven't looked at it yet.
- Rage Impact is okay, I guess, but why is it a huge boon to Lances? IMO they could have reworked close combat's overall slow speed and modified Defense and/or Counterattack to handle multi-aggro a little better, and not slap in a move that replaces Berserk. However I must say the stamina cost is very fair; I'm losing stamina extremely fast, making me more reliant on Enduring Melody + Life Anthem than ever.
- Dual Wield Mastery isn't necessary at all, it's more spoon feeding and ends up making balance from dex and sword balance obsolete. With near end-capped strength, capped will, and capped luck from skill-stats, I already have 600 max damage, capped balance, and 200% critical with dual red focused beams unnerfed, all without DWM bonuses.
- Why the hell is Wooden Sword unaffected by any of the Close Combat weapon stuff?
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Daakun wrote on 2015-04-22 19:40
I can solo HM shadow missions on my elf with an unupgraded scimitar, rF Bash, and only 400 str.
I get the feeling close combat now boils down to Bash, or Bash and Final Hit if human. :v
The stun duration is so silly I don't even fear multiaggro.
Edit: Also, either Golem AI is trash or passive defense apparently does absolutely nothing to Bash.
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Jake wrote on 2015-04-22 19:42
I love it LOL
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Oberynn wrote on 2015-04-22 19:45
Bash >Final Hit>>>>>>>>>>>> Giant Smash.
That's all that really needs to be said.
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ironwoman wrote on 2015-04-22 19:50
Well, Saga didn't get a nerf.
Otherwise, I feel pretty indifferent. I like using bash, but since my Fanatic Great Sword isn't reforge that nicely, I still prefer using my lance at the moment. I guess it's easier for me to solo MA now.
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Syliara wrote on 2015-04-22 20:51
I dont know... 15k Crit hits for fh makes this game pretty fking trivial if it already wasnt....
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Odinwolfe wrote on 2015-04-22 21:00
Wait, is the update out then?
Or did I miss the KR videos?
Sorry, been inactive...
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Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-22 21:01
Quote from Odinwolfe;1271925:
Wait, is the update out then?
Or did I miss the KR videos?
Sorry, been inactive...
It's been out since five hours ago.
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Oberynn wrote on 2015-04-22 21:15
Tip: Use a normal speed weapon or faster and mouse click once during bash animations to hit 2x and make smash completely pointless.
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DonaldTheMage wrote on 2015-04-22 22:22
Yeah, it is quite Overpowered. Friend giant took down tarlach in MA in like 30 bashes. (With Giant Axe)
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ironwoman wrote on 2015-04-23 01:20
Ok, these skills were so easy to train.
I'm not even gonna consider them accomplishments.
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-04-23 01:25
I didn't realize how powerful melee was until this update got over here and holy crud. Very little stood up to my dual wielding melee.
Bash was also ridiculously fun especially using it stun lock bosses.
This is without touching the new swords and enchants too.
*looks at guns and lance*
Well guess you are getting shelved xD
Lance combat maybe "better" but it sure isn't fun. In terms of fun this is how I would rank my preference in combat:
Magic > Dual Wield Melee (Post Renovation) > Guns > Everything else really but if I had to rank it....Lance > Ninja > Alchemy > Puppetry/Archery (this is the bottom that I would never touch unless I had to)
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Zunori wrote on 2015-04-23 01:26
I'm extremely tempted to start playing again in over a year after all these Renovation updates.
But still I'm going to hold back, the #1 reason I left is because of lack of enjoyable content. Don't get me wrong, I loved everything the game offered, but it was just too repetitive and I eventually got bored.
I really hope the devs freakin' realize this problem already. I mean, every damn update either buffs skills or just adds more.
This guy is gonna' look really stupid if he doesn't add new, permanent, playable content to the game. Alban Knight is a good start, but its just one thing. Really hope they add more stuff.
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Kazusa Touma wrote on 2015-04-23 01:40
Quote from Zunori;1271956:
every damn update either buffs skills or just adds more
this pretty much lol
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Crhymez wrote on 2015-04-23 01:47
Quote from DonaldTheMage;1271935:
Yeah, it is quite Overpowered. Friend giant took down tarlach in MA in like 30 bashes. (With Giant Axe)
Couldnt you kill him faster as a human? With final hits buff