Thoughts on Renovation?

• Rydian wrote on 2015-06-12 23:23

  Quote from ironwoman;1278192:

  No, longer range = faster aim speed.

  To demonstrate why, have this completely professional image that I forgot to include in my last post because I'm good at posting, I swear.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/NAFmALh.png]

  
  
  EDIT: And I forgot a label too, fixed.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-06-12 23:24

  Quote from abyssolar;1278164:

  
  I don't have that serious skill delay in my country.It's probably just the latency thing.
  
  https://youtu.be/hO0pNKiJgls?t=2m5s
  
  By the way I've also heard that there's some way for elf to reset urgent shot's cooldown. Google translate just not work that great for me, can't understand the details.
  http://www.mabinogi.pe.kr/bbs/zboard.php?id=report&no=29832

  
  
  Pretty sure I already told people about this before.
  
  But in case people missed it, there are three ways to do it.
  
  There are three cases in which only one shot of Elf Ranged Attack will hit:
  1. Blocked by Defense
  2. Auto-Defense activated
  3. Natural Shield activated
  
  Upon meeting those three conditions with Ranged Attack, not other skills, Urgent Shot will be able to be used.
  
  That's what the page precisely says.
  
  

  Quote from Rydian;1278211:

  To demonstrate why, have this completely professional image that I forgot to include in my last post because I'm good at posting, I swear.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/SePVEeH.png]

  
  
  I meant the effective range, as in bows will have faster aiming speed compared to crossbows at the same distance.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-06-12 23:33
  Yeah, the pic explains why for people that don't know.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-12 23:41
  I eagerly await the slew of new crossbow "enthusiasts" who will flock to the new weapons like moths on to a flame before ultimately deciding that they were better off with whatever talent they came from and suddenly disappear.
  
  

  Quote from Slayerj;1278189:

  UUUUUUUUUUUUUUH about that. Isn't longer range = slower aim speed? Xbows are shorter range, which most people use bows for anyway and faster aim speed typically.

  
  
  Crossbows have a hidden +25% aim speed bonus applied to light ranged skills.
  
  Otherwise, they're slower than longer-ranged weapons.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-06-12 23:43
  Yeah, looked at the picture again and realized we were on the same page.
  
  Anyway, one thing to consider for the Crossbows is that you have more mobility granted for Magnum Shot and Crash Shot, you won't be forced to stand still anymore. Whether this perk is worth it over extra range is up to each person, but I think this perk will have neat situational uses.
• abyssolar wrote on 2015-06-12 23:49

  Quote from Rydian;1278202:

  The white message on screen is Urgent Shot telling me I can't use it, that's why it won't load in that gif.
  
  /data/local/code/skill.korea.txt
  UrgentShotUse.1 지금은 스킬을 사용할 수 없습니다.
  
  I know what Urgent Shot is supposed to do. I know what the intention was from the devs, and what the translated flavor text says. But I have used Urgent Shot, and it does not work the way people think it works, thus the gif and other media to highlight inconsistencies and issues.
  
  

  
  Sorry, my bad.I thought you mean you couldn't urgent shot because it isn't fast enough. The reason you can't use the skill in the gif is because you didn't miss any shot. Although, you can still use urgent shot if the previous shot after counterattack were missed. But I will still suggest that don't use counterattack with a bow or xbow in hand, if you are able to urgent shot or magnum shot in the first place.
• JoeyDee9 wrote on 2015-06-12 23:49

  Quote from Rynn;1278208:

  Bow mastery gives more dmg than xbow mastery, lv 20 mag with bohemian is 805% not 715% (lv 26 is 874%), combo card bonus is not flat final dmg because it doesn't affect the 0.15x bonus dmg from bohemian.
  
  Bhafel is also Fast speed, so you can refire faster than Normal speed xbow for better DPS and will always have passive DPS advantage on top of that due to better aiming speed on magnum/crash unless you are literally at 0~170 range of an enemy.

  
  
  Fixed Mag percents, 10 damage isn't too much of a difference to matter but I added it, combo card issue is the same across bows/cross bows so it wont effect comparison, and the speed differences are the only real notable differences aside from damage. Well that and having mobility with a cross bow.
• Tropa wrote on 2015-06-13 00:03

  Quote from Kaeporo;1278216:

  I eagerly await the slew of new crossbow "enthusiasts" who will flock to the new weapons like moths on to a flame before ultimately deciding that they were better off with whatever talent they came from and suddenly disappear.

  
  
  Pretty much this, I might make the crossbow for the heck of it, but archery is too plain for my tastes.
• Bunny wrote on 2015-06-13 00:17

  Quote from Rydian;1278202:

  Urgent shot will be helpful and I'll enjoy having it in NA.
  
  But range has tons of issues and Urgent Shot doesn't fix them, that's what I'm trying to say.
  

  
  
  Oh trust me, I've been using archery as a main since forever and still am. Archery is total peanuts and I'm just disappointed that urgent shot doesn't really make the skillset significantly better like you said. It's neutral to me. However, archery will be great @ Alban, which is nice.
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;1278216:

  I eagerly await the slew of new crossbow "enthusiasts" who will flock to the new weapons like moths on to a flame before ultimately deciding that they were better off with whatever talent they came from and suddenly disappear.
  

  
  
  Making one for style points. Well, half style points.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-13 00:23

  Quote from Bunny;1278224:

  Oh trust me, I've been using archery as a main since forever and still am. Archery is total peanuts and I'm just disappointed that urgent shot doesn't really make the skillset significantly better like you said. It's neutral to me. However, archery will be great @ Alban, which is nice.
  
  Making one for style points. Well, half style points.

  
  
  Crossbows had style back when they restricted your mobility with heavy ranged skills.
  
  The default crossbow combat animations look fucky.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-06-13 00:27

  Quote from abyssolar;1278218:

  The reason you can't use the skill in the gif is because you didn't miss any shot.

  But Urgent Shot is supposed to be usable if an enemy blocks your ranged attack, and it works for normal ranged IIRC.
  
  Just another broken inconsistency with ranged.
  
  

  Quote from abyssolar;1278218:

  But I will still suggest that don't use counterattack with a bow or xbow in hand, if you are able to urgent shot or magnum shot in the first place.

  Countering a targeted physical attack will always prevent damage to me and damage the enemy.
  
  Ranged attacks rely on loading time for two actions and RNG, and I'm not leaving my safety up to Mabi's RNG.
• Bunny wrote on 2015-06-13 00:37

  Quote from Kaeporo;1278226:

  Crossbows had style back when they restricted your mobility with heavy ranged skills.
  
  The default crossbow combat animations look fucky.

  
  
  I honestly think they should change how the wielding looks for crossbows. It looks like I popped my shoulder or something! (So half style points.)
  
  Crossbows are actually pretty fun though.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-06-13 02:22
  CN mabi has all those sick new pay2cool idle poses and animations when holding all types of weapons, we'll likely get those soon.
• Blissfulkill wrote on 2015-06-13 05:13
  I'm surprised dyeable quivers never came out. Yeah, screw the fashionogis over too Nexon.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-06-13 08:43

  Quote from Blissfulkill;1278260:

  I'm surprised dyeable quivers never came out. Yeah, screw the fashionogis over too Nexon.

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/QYhNRNa.gif]

  
  [spoiler=""]I kid, I modded the color codes in RAM for that.[/spoiler]