General durability loss testing (requests encouraged).

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Rydian wrote on 2015-06-12 13:12

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All of the gear was unblessed this time, no VIP. I let bunnies in Shyllien hit me a little over 500 times. The first few hits aren't recorded 'cause I was still trying to put the gear on and start while they were whacking me the first few times so I'm not sure on the exact number of hits, but the gif has 500 durability updates recorded.

Slow...

[Image: http://i.imgur.com/2SRIjJb.gif]

Fast...

[Image: http://i.imgur.com/UtNBEUO.gif]

Start...
Headband: 10000 (10/10)
Robe: 15000 (15/15)
Shoes: 10000 (10/10)
Ring: 5000 (5/5)
Amulet: 5000 (5/5)
Clothes: 13000 (13/13)
Gloves: 12000 (12/12)
Dagger1: 8000 (8/8)
Dagger2: 8000 (8/8)

End...
Headband: 7896 (-2104)
Robe: 14963 (-37)
Shoes: 9344 (-656)
Ring: 3515 (-1485)
Amulet: 3527 (-1473)
Clothes: 10203 (-2797)
Gloves: 11530 (-1470)
Dagger1: 7989 (-11)
Dagger2: 7989 (-11)

- The robe and daggers only took durability damage from the 5 minute ticks from being worn, none from being hit.

- Hat and clothes took the most damage, accessories and gloves in 2nd place, shoes in last.

I also tested a tick with everything versus one thing.

Everything...
Headband: -6
Robe: -20
Shoes: -14
Ring: -4
Amulet: -4
Clothes: -16
Gloves: -10
Dagger1: -6
Dagger2: -6

One thing...
Robe: -20

So the tick damage doesn't care what else you have on either.

(Again, remember that this test was with everything unblessed. Halve the numbers for blessed.)

Quote from Willi0966;1278102:
How much durability does a Mining Drill(Hillwen) lose per ore gathering attempt? And thanks for testing the AFK thing.
15105
15055 -50 (1 ore)
15005 -50 (1 ore)
14955 -50 (1 ore)
14905 -50 (1 ore)
14855 -50 (2 ores, lucky)
14805 -50 (2 ores, skill)

That's blessed too, ouch. That's about the normal dur loss for tools (and weapons used as tools) though.
Metaphoenix wrote on 2015-06-12 14:43

Can you check the durability loss with alchemy skills that require no target like barrier spikes and summon golem
Also can you test the durability loss of a sword & guard cylinder using the above mentioned?
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-13 21:58

Blessed Cylinder, Barrier Spikes
8161
8138 -23
8118 -20
8096 -22
8075 -21
8057 -18

Blessed Cylinder, Summon Golem
8057
8022 -25
8000 -22
7972 -28
7952 -20
7925 -27

Guard Cylinder, Barrier Spikes
14065
14050 -15
14028 -22
14009 -19
13980 -29
13950 -30
Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2015-06-14 05:39

Does a Woodworking Plane actually lose durability from making something with it? Those things seem to last forever.

Also maybe slightly harder to test but does triggering Passive Defense affect Durability in any way?

Also Charge's Splash damage seems to be special seeing as it can crit surrounding targets without critting the main target and vice versa, does Charge perhaps lose Durability for 2 hits when you splash with it or is that loss passed on to the weapon?
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-14 05:45

Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1278374:
Also Charge's Splash damage seems to be special seeing as it can crit surrounding targets without critting the main target and vice versa, does Charge perhaps lose Durability for 2 hits when you splash with it or is that loss passed on to the weapon?

Assault Slash does the same thing, what about that?

What about Smash Splash, and does Inspiration and Respite have any effect on weapon durability?

Does both Healing and Party Healing have any effect on Celtic Guardian? IIRC that doesn't apply to all other staffs, but Celtic Guardian is modified for healing purposes.
Citrusjuice wrote on 2015-06-14 05:52

Tell me more about how crk
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-14 11:26

Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1278374:
Does a Woodworking Plane actually lose durability from making something with it? Those things seem to last forever.
Woodworking Planes don't lose any dura from being used to refine wood, only on ticks and when used as a weapon.

Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1278374:
Also maybe slightly harder to test but does triggering Passive Defense affect Durability in any way?
Tested ping with getting hit wearing Royal Knight Armor (20% melee passive), no apparent difference in dura loss when pinging versus not.

In terms of hitting something that pinged, dunno' how to reliably test.

Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1278374:
Also Charge's Splash damage seems to be special seeing as it can crit surrounding targets without critting the main target and vice versa, does Charge perhaps lose Durability for 2 hits when you splash with it or is that loss passed on to the weapon?
[spoiler="Blessed Shield, Charge..."]
13950
13938 -12
13924 -12
13922 -2
13910 -12
13900 -10
13880 -20
13874 -6
13866 -8
13850 -16[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Blessed Shield (With Sword), Charge..."]
13745
13742 -3
13737 -5
13721 -6
13706 -15
13687 -19
13679 -8
13771 -8[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Blessed Sword, Charge..."]
14394
14394 -0 (splash +2)
14394 -0
14394 -0 (splash +1)
14394 -0
14394 -0 (splash +2)[/spoiler]

So only the shield takes damage when charging

Splash is incredibly annoying to test. More often than is bearable , one of the damned raccoons will hit me while under lullaby due to a queued attack which negates the splash, and when that doesn't happen one or two of the splashed ones will deadly (with a missing head of course) and run over and smack me as I'm reading the numbers.

[spoiler="Blessed Shield, Charge..."]
13498
13479 -19 (3 hit)
13469 -10 (2 hit)
13459 -10 (2 hit)
13446 -13 (2 hit)
13424 -22 (5 hit)
13406 -18 (1 hit)[/spoiler]

If there is an increase from splash, it's pretty minor.

Quote from Darkboy132;1278375:
Assault Slash does the same thing, what about that?
Still no dura loss from Assault Splash.

Quote from Darkboy132;1278375:
What about Smash Splash, and does Inspiration and Respite have any effect on weapon durability?
[spoiler="Blessed Axe, Smash Splash"]
13038
13031 -7 (3 hit)
13020 -11 (2 hit)
13013 -7 (1 hit)
12998 -5 (2 hit)
12987 -1 (2 hit)
12975 -12 (1 hit)
12961 -14 (1 hit)
12949 -12 (5 hit)
12936 -13 (1 hit)
12922 (attacked some annoying ones)
12912 -10 (5 hit)[/spoiler]No splash difference.

Inspiration caused no dura loss on my wands/staves.
Respite caused no dura loss on my knuckles.

Quote from Darkboy132;1278375:
Does both Healing and Party Healing have any effect on Celtic Guardian? IIRC that doesn't apply to all other staffs, but Celtic Guardian is modified for healing purposes.
Don't have one to test.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-14 20:17

IIRC Awakened (Demigod/Shock) Brionac accelerates its durability usage for attacking?
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-15 01:55

Quote from Darkboy132;1278420:
IIRC Awakened (Demigod/Shock) Brionac accelerates its durability usage for attacking?
[spoiler="Brionac"]
7486
7479 -7
7473 -6
7449 -24
7425 -24
7398 -27
7374 -24
7373 -1
7345 -28
7341 -4
7316 -25
7316 -0
7304 -12
7298 -6
7295 -3
7274 -21[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Brionac, Demigod"]
7274
7258 -16
7243 -15
7221 -22
7193 -28
7189 -4
7162 -27
7158 -4
7152 -4
7125 -27
7098 -27
7086 -12
7083 -3
7053 -30
7031 -22
7021 -10[/spoiler]

I wonder if most of these rumors are from people using equipment that was on the edge of passing a point mark anyways.
Rynn wrote on 2015-06-15 02:12

From firsthand experience I can vouch that using brionac with demi to shear enemy protection makes you lose dura like mad, far more extreme than just being at the edge of a point.

Maybe there has to be actual protection shearing involved in order for dura to drop faster or something else is at play, but at least it's no longer a concern since protection can be sheared while under Final Hit and no durability is lost anymore.
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-15 02:27

Will try to remember to test it in Fomor Attack, that should be a good one.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-15 02:39

Quote from Rydian;1278449:
Will try to remember to test it in Fomor Attack, that should be a good one.

Do it on Macha.
Rynn wrote on 2015-06-15 02:42

I'm guessing dragons (white/black/desert) are probably the most accessible tanky stuff that shearing will work for sure on.
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-15 16:23

Macha taking 1s isn't from protection, it's invincibility. Some skills can bypass invincibility, but her warping around and only needing a number of shots makes it not worth the effort.

[spoiler="Brionac+Demigod on Macha"]
6771
6744 -27
6743 -1
6721 -22
6717 -4
6717 -0
6693 -24
6674 -19
6647 -27
6647 -0
6638 -9
6635 -3
6608 -27
6601 -7
6598 -3
6580 -18
6556 -24
6555 -1
6551 -4
6540 -11[/spoiler]

I never test stuff on the raid dragons because they're terrible for tests. They're huge (gotta' zoom out too far), recording would be laggy as hell, the numbers show up 5 miles in the air, you have their minions in the way, all sorts of problems.

[spoiler="Brionac+Demigod on Dark Commander"]
6497
6472 -23
6468 -4
6452 -16
6451 -1
6443 -8
6434 -9
6404 -30
6401 -3
6385 -16
6378 -7
6374 -4
6359 -15
6344 -15
6344 -0
6341 -3
6341 -0
6311 -30
6309 -2
6300 -9
6273 -27
6252 -21
6222 -30
6213 -9
6183 -30
6159 -24
6159 -0
6140 -19
6125 -15
6106 -19[/spoiler]
I went from doing 2 damage to 33 damage in the course of those normal attacks, so it was removing his protection... but still lost dura at the normal melee rate.

Remember that the Brionac is unblessed...
Esileruf wrote on 2015-06-15 19:00

May not be readily testable, buuuuut...
How are guns' dura, and wands/staves while casting Thunder/IS Chaining?

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