General durability loss testing (requests encouraged).

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Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-15 19:38

Quote from Rydian:
Macha taking 1s isn't from protection, it's invincibility. Some skills can bypass invincibility, but her warping around and only needing a number of shots makes it not worth the effort.

:what: Wiki says it shaves off her protection, though I haven't checked it myself.
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-15 22:04

Quote from Darkboy132;1278499:
:what: Wiki says it shaves off her protection, though I haven't checked it myself.
She didn't take more than 1 damage from any of the hits so Idunno' about that.

Hydra could easily test, but, the warping...

Celestial Spikes bypasses invulnerability, but the damage is reduced by magic def/prot so that will be conclusive if it does more than 1, but it won't be if it doesn't ('cause it could be 400+ magic def or something).

Quote from Esileruf;1278498:
May not be readily testable, buuuuut...
How are guns' dura, and wands/staves while casting Thunder/IS Chaining?
[spoiler="Blessed Dowra SE, Single Shots"]
15591
15590 -1
15583 -7
15577 -6
15575 -2
15570 -5
15561 -9
15556 -5
15551 -5
15542 -9
15542 -0
15541 -1[/spoiler]
[spoiler="Blessed Dowra SE, Double Shots"]
15484
15466 -18
15461 -5
15453 -8
15435 -18
15423 -12
15419 -4
15403 -16
15389 -14
15377 -12
15371 -6[/spoiler]
Guns take less than normal damage on a shot, but a double shot will take up a bit more than a normal melee attack. Also note that dura loss in combat is not based on damage or DPS, it's based on attacks. Guns, Shurikens, and to a lesser extent Knuckles will wear down a lot faster than weapons that do less attacks, like Lances.

As far as Thunder and Ice Spear, no dura is used after the initial cast. The bolts raining down and the chain explosions do nothing. Thunder, the initial attack seems to do around 10-15 per enemy hit, Ice Spear 2-10 per initial enemy hit or something like that.
SozenCratosFocker wrote on 2015-06-16 07:12

Unlike most AoE attacks, shockwave hits some enemies sooner than others, so they might count as separate hits if one is almost out of range and another is in melee range.

Is the wiki right about how blessing effects loss over time? (does the game really wait twice as long instead of just halving the deduction amount?)

Is it true that rain increases durability loss?

Blaze.

Is it true that staying logged in for several ticks with an equipment slot empty then having something equipped during a tick causes the item to lose dura for all the ticks when the slot was empty, and if so, if you have a weapon sheathed for several ticks with nothing in the active slots, then switch weapon slots, does the next tick take extra dura?

Does meditation currently increase the dura wands loose from using magic?

I'd also like to know if the probability of loosing a specific amount of durability is the same for each possible number or not, but it would be insane to record that much data manually.
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-16 12:07

Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278557:
Unlike most AoE attacks, shockwave hits some enemies sooner than others, so they might count as separate hits if one is almost out of range and another is in melee range.
Shockwave uses dura when it's used, not when enemies are hit, so number of enemies hit doesn't come into play.

Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278557:
Is the wiki right about how blessing effects loss over time? (does the game really wait twice as long instead of just halving the deduction amount?)
The wiki doesn't say that as far as I know. It's always half of whatever would be used right that moment.

"Over time" is referring to the fact that items lose blessings over time just from being worn, and as you use them ("over time" being like how you eat dinner "over time"). There's no delay, it doesn't repay back. It's half of whatever, period, right now, end of story. Whatever would do dura loss, it halves it and that's it.

Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278557:
Is it true that rain increases durability loss?
[spoiler="Blessed Cylinder, Summon Golem (Rain)"]
7513
7486 -27
7454 -32 (+3 from the tick)
7430 -24
7411 -19
7386 -25
7367 -19
7343 -24[/spoiler]
Nah looks the same.

Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278557:
Blaze.
Blaze... did NOT use any dura on either my wand or staff over a number of attempts, neat.

Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278557:
Is it true that staying logged in for several ticks with an equipment slot empty then having something equipped during a tick causes the item to lose dura for all the ticks when the slot was empty, and if so, if you have a weapon sheathed for several ticks with nothing in the active slots, then switch weapon slots, does the next tick take extra dura?
No.

Ticks take some dura off of whatever's equipped at the time, end of story. Previous ticks don't matter, there's no fancy math based on how long it's been.

Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278557:
Does meditation currently increase the dura wands loose from using magic?
No, and as far as I know, never.

Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278557:
I'd also like to know if the probability of loosing a specific amount of durability is the same for each possible number or not, but it would be insane to record that much data manually.
Seem like a mostly-fair split to me over all the stuff I've been doing.
callback wrote on 2015-06-16 14:49

Can we get that CRK testing back on? Specifically bash (for fixed 30 base) and other melee skills vs what armors lose with the set bonus on. I'm hearing a lot of conflicting 33% vs 50% stuff here.
X wrote on 2015-06-16 14:53

Unless we find someone comfortable with packet sniffing who has dual CRKs but not VIP, we're stuck for about a week until my VIP runs out. Related: Any way to remove the blessing without dying or failing repairs? Holy flame or something?

Edit: Oh right, Holy flame increases dura loss...
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-16 15:21

Yeah I don't have CRKs, Xcelled has VIP right now, and we're on different servers.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-16 20:28

Quote from Xcelled194;1278583:
Edit: Oh right, Holy flame increases dura loss...

HOW MUCH?
Rydian wrote on 2015-06-16 20:33

Wiki says +50% and that sounds right to me.

So Flamed is effectively 3x dura loss over Blessed.
Esileruf wrote on 2015-06-17 01:17

Falias treasures function the same as nonwear items, right?
SozenCratosFocker wrote on 2015-06-17 08:29

Quote from Rydian;1278570:

The wiki doesn't say that as far as I know. It's always half of whatever would be used right that moment.

"Over time" is referring to the fact that items lose blessings over time just from being worn, and as you use them ("over time" being like how you eat dinner "over time"). There's no delay, it doesn't repay back. It's half of whatever, period, right now, end of story. Whatever would do dura loss, it halves it and that's it.
There's been a lot of nonsense on the wiki since most of the moderators decided to fear data miners.
http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Time#Ticks
Some of the new people even seem to prefer wrong information.
Quote from Rydian;1278570:
[spoiler="Blessed Cylinder, Summon Golem (Rain)"]
7513
7486 -27
7454 -32 (+3 from the tick)
7430 -24
7411 -19
7386 -25
7367 -19
7343 -24[/spoiler]
Nah looks the same.

The rain rumor was about clothing, and IIRC it was about loss from ticks.

Quote from Rydian;1278570:
No, and as far as I know, never.

It supposedly changed back and forth several times and was mentioned in KR's patch notes once.

Is it true that microphones don't loose durability from song but weapons do from buff skills with microphone-less singing?

Are tower cylinders still bugged(no dura loss from setup or alchemy)?

You said earlier that for Ice Spear and Thunder, durability lost is per target. what about fireball?

When you tested chaincasted Firebolt, did you try using 5 charges at a time on the other wand to make sure the extra durability loss was from the CC upgrade instead of from using multiple charges? If so, does the increased durability loss apply to other Bolt spells and Fireball?

could you try Brionac with shock just incase that's different from demi?

Does brionac lose more than .2 dura from boosting Spear of Light if it's also Shocked?

Cooking tools

Do cylinders and guard cylinders lose the same amount of durability when they're used together as they do separately?

Does using defense with a shield make other equipment less likely to be picked for durability loss when attacked?

Do shields lose durability from using defense?
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-17 08:32

Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:
There's been a lot of nonsense on the wiki since most of the moderators decided to fear data miners.

Well, Nexon's hounding their asses. Can you blame Wiki?
SozenCratosFocker wrote on 2015-06-17 09:06

"hounding their asses"? AFAIK they complained once about the fact that the monster/item data templates contained exact copies of the text from the XMLs, and didn't seem to care about data mining in general.
Then again, I only know what was shared on the talk pages when i was active there.

Your name looks familiar. Are you the guy that trolled the wiki for a few months by putting fanfiction in the story recap pages?
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-17 10:05

Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278805:
Your name looks familiar. Are you the guy that trolled the wiki for a few months by putting fanfiction in the story recap pages?

... Um, gee, thanks. I'll just stop there as to not cause a scene. @_@

It's been many years, so I wouldn't remember. History says I never touched that page, so no?
Osayidan wrote on 2015-06-17 11:39

Quote from Darkboy132;1278803:
Well, Nexon's hounding their asses. Can you blame Wiki?

Unless nexon is going after them with lawyers, it's entirely their choice to respect nexon's wishes on that or not.
What's nexon going to do? Remove their official "fan site" status? Do you really think that will stop people using the wiki? Is there a magical, hidden wiki no one knows about that's as good or better than that one that everyone is suddenly going to switch to if nexon proclaims mabiworld is no longer an official fan site?
I think not. I think the whole thing is just a matter of too much sucking up to nexon.

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