General durability loss testing (requests encouraged).

• X wrote on 2015-06-17 13:49
  Mabinoger wiki!!!!
• callback wrote on 2015-06-17 15:07

  Quote from Xcelled194;1278583:

  Unless we find someone comfortable with packet sniffing who has dual CRKs but not VIP, we're stuck for about a week until my VIP runs out. Related: Any way to remove the blessing without dying or failing repairs? Holy flame or something?
  
  Edit: Oh right, Holy flame increases dura loss...

  
  
  Fountains. Equip the blessed thing and hope to lose it.
  
  Tho I don't see what's so bad about dying with only the blessings you want to lose equipped.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-06-18 02:01

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  There's been a lot of nonsense on the wiki since most of the moderators decided to fear data miners.
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Time#Ticks

  Fixed.
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  The rain rumor was about clothing, and IIRC it was about loss from ticks.

  Checked, lost 8 on blessed clothes (unblessed is 16) in and out of rain, so rain doesn't increase dura loss.
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  Is it true that microphones don't loose durability from song but weapons do from buff skills with microphone-less singing?

  Oddly enough, yes.
  
  When singing first came out, singing with an item in your hands would wear and prof it. That was fixed... and has since been unfixed. Doing buffs or lullaby or whatever will give prof and use dura on an item right now.
  
  Song is an outlier though. No prof or dura usage.
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  Are tower cylinders still bugged(no dura loss from setup or alchemy)?

  15929
  15929 setup
  15929 load water cannon
  15920 fire water cannon
  15917 fire water cannon
  15904 fire water cannon
  
  They take no damage from setup or loading, but they do from firing. Also Tower Cylinders take dura damage if "wielded" to hit enemies, despite what the animation shows.
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  You said earlier that for Ice Spear and Thunder, durability lost is per target. what about fireball?

  Per initial target hit with the initial attack once. As in it doesn't care about what happens after you fire it off.
  
  Same deal with fireball, it doesn't care about what happens after you fire it. So in this case it takes dura well before it explodes, so the enemies hit have no bearing on the dura loss from fireball.
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  When you tested chaincasted Firebolt, did you try using 5 charges at a time on the other wand to make sure the extra durability loss was from the CC upgrade instead of from using multiple charges? If so, does the increased durability loss apply to other Bolt spells and Fireball?

  Blessed Staff, Firebolt 1
  26928
  26923 -5
  26916 -7
  26911 -5
  26906 -5
  
  Blessed Staff, Firebolt 5
  26848
  26819 -29
  26786 -33
  26758 -28
  26720 -28
  
  Blessed Savage Fire Wand, Firebolt 5 (CC)
  15595
  15575 -20
  15544 -31
  15525 -19
  15487 -38
  
  CC is the same as charging it whatever many times...
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  could you try Brionac with shock just incase that's different from demi?

  Brionac, Shock
  6106
  6096 -10
  6078 -18
  6066 -12
  6038 -28
  6037 -1
  6027 -10
  6005 -22
  5977 -28
  5973 -4
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  Does brionac lose more than .2 dura from boosting Spear of Light if it's also Shocked?

  Can't test, still allied with the non-bitchy goddess and I can't get a falias fragment to save my life.
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  Cooking tools

  -50 per use like all the tools I've tested.
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  Do cylinders and guard cylinders lose the same amount of durability when they're used together as they do separately?

  Looks like it to me.
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  Does using defense with a shield make other equipment less likely to be picked for durability loss when attacked?

  Unlike weapons, shields will take dura damage if you get hit wearing one, so it seems yes.
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278802:

  Do shields lose durability from using defense?

  Defending with a shield on... actually seems to stop everything from taking dura damage when you get hit that one time. Which makes sense logically since the shield blocked it.
  
  But that includes the shield itself not taking damage, which logically does not make sense.
  
  (Defending barehanded does not prevent it.)
• SozenCratosFocker wrote on 2015-06-18 05:29
  Do the new weapons that add defense lose dura when you take a hit?
  
  How often do shields get picked for durability loss if all other slots are full?
• callback wrote on 2015-06-18 15:25

  Quote from Rydian;1278937:

  
  Can't test, still allied with the non-bitchy goddess and I can't get a falias fragment to save my life.
  

  
  
  Aren't they guaranteed reward from Tara bank PTJ?
• Rynn wrote on 2015-06-18 15:36

  Quote from callback;1279017:

  Aren't they guaranteed reward from Tara bank PTJ?

  
  
  It's a guaranteed reward, but the problem is actually being able to complete the PTJ and not being sent to talk to a bot/shop alt/afk person/busy person.
• Tiwo wrote on 2015-06-18 17:06
  does hailstorm take as much durability for 5 charges as it does for 1?
• Rydian wrote on 2015-06-19 00:23

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278966:

  Do the new weapons that add defense lose dura when you take a hit?

  Idunno, is there one that's easy to get?
  
  

  Quote from SozenCratosFocker;1278966:

  How often do shields get picked for durability loss if all other slots are full?

  Bleh too lazy to fully test, but it's either in the most common or second most common category.
  
  
  

  Quote from Tiwo;1279028:

  does hailstorm take as much durability for 5 charges as it does for 1?

  Mine only goes up to 4, but 1 and 4 take the same range so I'd say so.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-19 00:39

  Quote from Rydian;1279099:

  Idunno, is there one that's easy to get?

  
  
  Demonic Death Knight Sword.
• X wrote on 2015-06-20 06:44
  Updated CRK.
  
  Unblessed single CRK bash:
  18700
  18670 (-30)
  18640 (-30)
  
  Unblessed dual CRK bash:
  18778
  18757 (-21)
  18736 (-21)
  
  Blessed single CRK bash:
  18625
  18610 (-15)
  18595 (-15)
  
  Blessed double CRK Bash:
  18582
  18572 (-10)
  18562 (-10)
  
  I'll grab VIP if I get it later.
  
  But from here, we know:
  - Blessing cuts dura by 50%
  - CRK set effect cuts dura loss by 30%
  - They multiply together (30 * .5 * .7 = 10.5)
  
  Using numbers I gathered earlier, which is 6 loss with blessed dustin + vip (25%), we get ~16 dura lost unblessed with no vip (6 / (.5 * .75)). Multiply this by all the effects and you get 16 * .5 * .7 * .75 = 4.2, which is what I got for blessed + vip + dual crk.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-20 23:06
  Does Spider Shot use dura?
• callback wrote on 2015-06-22 15:20

  Quote from Xcelled194;1279282:

  Updated CRK.
  
  Unblessed single CRK bash:
  18700
  18670 (-30)
  18640 (-30)
  
  Unblessed dual CRK bash:
  18778
  18757 (-21)
  18736 (-21)
  
  Blessed single CRK bash:
  18625
  18610 (-15)
  18595 (-15)
  
  Blessed double CRK Bash:
  18582
  18572 (-10)
  18562 (-10)
  
  I'll grab VIP if I get it later.
  
  But from here, we know:
  - Blessing cuts dura by 50%
  - CRK set effect cuts dura loss by 30%
  - They multiply together (30 * .5 * .7 = 10.5)
  
  Using numbers I gathered earlier, which is 6 loss with blessed dustin + vip (25%), we get ~16 dura lost unblessed with no vip (6 / (.5 * .75)). Multiply this by all the effects and you get 16 * .5 * .7 * .75 = 4.2, which is what I got for blessed + vip + dual crk.

  
  
  So it's a bit less than previously thought with only VIP testing. Good to know.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-07-05 18:16
  Spider Shot? All three Crusader Skills?
• Rydian wrote on 2015-07-06 22:02
  Spider Shot uses no dura on a bow.
  
  Shield of Trust, Celestial Spike, and Judgment Blade use no dura on weapons.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-08-06 20:01
  When you use Final Hit (or way of the gun for that matter) with the appropriate weapons, does the no durability loss only apply to the weapons or does it apply to other items equipped as well?