-
ironwoman wrote on 2016-07-28 18:33
The crossbow I'm point to is the Celtic Royal Crossbow, and it's hard to make atm. No pre r1 reforge (and even if there were, you shouldn't look to it because it won't come in the best quality possible).
As for archery, one random magnum shot level 20 gloves won't do much good. You literally need a whole set dedicated to just archery if you want to be anywhere relevant with archery.
-
Fabian wrote on 2016-07-29 00:01
Quote from Honey;1297088:
@Fabian;
i think ironwoman may be referring to the celtic royal crossbow.
I see. I guess that rules it out. I'll just go for the BDK Bow for now. Thanks!
Quote from ironwoman;1297092:
No pre r1 reforge (and even if there were, you shouldn't look to it because it won't come in the best quality possible).
It doesn't seem worth it to spent hundreds of dollars on fine reforges just to get a couple max damage. Knowing Nexon though, they'll pop a gacha with X graded celtic weapons which not even Blacksmiths can make (it's happened before).
As for archery, one random magnum shot level 20 gloves won't do much good. You literally need a whole set dedicated to just archery if you want to be anywhere relevant with archery.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but magnum level 20 gloves > entire vanilla Bohemian set - support shot, no? Cost effectiveness wise, my glove took 1 gacha + 1 fine reforge, while reforging an entire Bohemian set would take you (if you use NX) some $500 just to get that extra dakka from the Bohemian set. Seems like a huge cost for such a minimal reward. I might as well drop that in a Magnum combo card and get even more damage. D:
Thanks for the info though. I really appreciate it. ^_^
-
ironwoman wrote on 2016-07-29 01:59
I guess you still don't get it.
Even if it seems minimal, yes, you need that much more damage wherever possible for archery to be your relevant skill set. Also, Nexon has never released S+ tier (or even Salvation Bows) ranged weapons in the gacha, as well as with the current Celtic weapons released from gacha few months ago, they still weren't the best quality possible (2 max less than what Blacksmithing can offer, though they did come pre-reforged at rank 2), not to mention Bhafel Hunters and Celtic Royal Crossbow has never come out of gachas in any Mabinogi regions. When you really want to get into a skill set seriously, you get the best damaging option possible, and set the efficiency aside for now. And it's not just spending reforges to get "couple of max damages". You get more valuable reforges like effective range on bows (which isn't that hard to get).
Magnum Shot 20 gloves also cost much more than Bohemian set. Bohemian Set without reforges is essentially Magnum Shot 7.5 gloves, and Bohemian Set with Magnum Shot 20 is basically Magnum Shot 30.5 gloves. If you add in 2x Mag 3 accs, the whole set is equivalent to Magnum Shot 37.4 gloves. The difference using and not using Bohemian set with Magnum Shot reforges in both cases is big.
In short, if you want to be using your archery with any degree of seriousness (especially in lords/raids/alban), you can't get by using cheap gears. You have to really invest a lot to start feeling useful and also need the stats to kick in.
-
Fabian wrote on 2016-07-29 02:10
Yeah, I'll focus on skills for now. By the time I'm done, they might release the materials for Bhafel and the like on gacha like they did with Rosemary gloves. I don't really feel like spending that much again, so I'll just stick to efficient lower damage gear. Just enough to get me by. Thanks for the advise!
-
ironwoman wrote on 2016-07-29 02:53
They won't. The Mabinogi KR team specifically said that the materials for dragon equipments won't come from gachapons (though they can come from costly Dragon Summon Scrolls but they're not counted as gachapons). This is something NA players really mistake Nexon for. Just because something's good, doesn't mean it will come from gachapon (like Divine weapons, dragon equipments, etc). With that being said, you can't (and shouldn't) rely on the equipments released from gachapons, and Magnum Shot 20 Tengu gloves and r1 BDK bow is definitely not "enough" for you to get by.
-
Fabian wrote on 2016-07-29 04:41
Quote from ironwoman;1297105:
With that being said, you can't (and shouldn't) rely on the equipments released from gachapons, and Magnum Shot 20 Tengu gloves and r1 BDK bow is definitely not "enough" for you to get by.
Why not? Nexon has never failed to deliver before. Enchanted reforged grade X weapons have been released before already; Oblivion Dexterity wigs;Metal needle and avenger accessories;the aforementioned Rosemary materials were released when people had just spent months gathering materials. Hell, this is a company that came out with reforges. You can expect anything from them. They have a keen sense for money after all.
As for your last sentence, we shall see. I have to train some life skills before taking up your challenge, but you'll hear from me soon enough. :scrub:
[SIZE="1"][in like a year or two or three][/SIZE]
-
ironwoman wrote on 2016-07-29 04:51
They give you efficient options, not the best options. The best options in game still requires you to make it yourself. Those x-grade are weapons that are surpassable by Blacksmithing now, after talents came in. The Celtic weapons in gacha are perfect examples of "efficient but not the best" examples. The weapons still lack the bonus that Blacksmithing talent would provide, which is important for people that want to increase their damage, even by just a little bit. Steel Needle and Avenger accs were one time thing and they made it clear that they won't be seen again. This is a pattern commonly found in NA players, overestimating Nexon's greed. Yes, Nexon is a greedy company, but not as greedy as you make it out to be.
-
Fabian wrote on 2016-07-29 08:15
I don't think I can make steel needle/avenger/violent accs though. I'm fairly sure those are the best options in the game as far as accs go and they came from gacha. Yes, we might not see them again, but there are still many in the game which can be bought from other players but not made.
Regarding X grade weapons:
someone needs to update the wiki.
For the record, I'm not saying Nexon's greed is bad or anything like that. In fact, I admire the way they've kept Mabinogi around for such a long time while evening out the field for non-paying players (free one week rebirths, free pets, free inventory bags, etc). Let's be honest though; 35 fine reforges cost $40. You need about 100 fine reforges to get an item to r1, plus a couple crednes to get all 3 lines. Then it's up to the heavens how long it'll take you to get the desired reforges onto your item. That's only 1 item out of 8+ a player looking to max out will need. Then you realize there's hundreds (thousands?) more doing the exact same thing and you start to wonder just how much money is Nexon making in order to give everything else for free. In conclusion, judging from Nexon's previous courses of action, I strongly believe will see said items in the gacha sooner the later.
One last thing I just remembered: I don't believe using subpar gear is that much different from using the best of the best. I've been ranking 20 or so on White/Black Dragon raids with my outdated r6 Ele 6 Secret Penetrating Knight Lance. No combo card, no smash reforge, no accessories, just the lance itself and some max damage enchants.
-
ironwoman wrote on 2016-07-29 10:42
Nexon themselves said the dragon any dragon equips or apostle/divine equips will not be released in gachapon of any region (or weapons of the same tier), as well as the previous enchanted accs not making a comeback (this is a reference to fierce, avenger, steel needle accs). They literally said it. Maybe the news isn't heard by NA server because it was a Korean interview, but like I have kept saying before, those weapons will NOT be in gachapons. Literally 0 exception.
How Nexon has been making money is through collabs and fashion (currently FSN and Kingdom of the Wind collab in KR server). Not by special combat means usually. The recent exception would be the Samhain gachapon that finally released Chorus enchants.
About your subpar gear comment. It does make a big difference. Ranking in WD and BD raids isn't a good way to measure because most people will be trying to DPS rather than get points because points don't really matter much in the raids. And getting rank 20 in a group of ~30 people max probably isn't a good sign either, if points mean anything to you. Here's the thing: you haven't had the access to best of the best gears (and stats for now), which also means you don't know how much you can do with it. Can't make a comparison without experiencing both.
-
spirit2roam wrote on 2016-07-29 13:44
One thing I've wanted to ask about is the difference between an Ego Fire Wand and a R7 max roll tribolt. Is the difference in power between the two huge, or is it like the bhafel / CRX comparison where each one has their own benefits?
-
bob wrote on 2016-07-29 15:53
adding onto previous question, what about R/S upgrade comparison?
-
callback wrote on 2016-07-29 16:22
Speaking of milking "every bonus," how valuable is a permanent gold 5x magnum (55% at max I think) combo card for archers? I know it's only additive based on the base damage before other multipliers, but it's something?
Quote from spirit2roam;1297119:
One thing I've wanted to ask about is the difference between an Ego Fire Wand and a R7 max roll tribolt. Is the difference in power between the two huge, or is it like the bhafel / CRX comparison where each one has their own benefits?
R6 is basically tied. R7 once that's released will beat a 50 ego.
Quote from bob;1297121:
adding onto previous question, what about R/S upgrade comparison?
Is it a staff? S. Is it anything else at all? R.
Speaking of R everything, when are they switching shuriken to the full 2h red bonus like KR has? Right now they are only barely ahead as R.
-
bob wrote on 2016-07-29 16:41
Quote from callback;1297124:
Speaking of milking "every bonus," how valuable is a permanent gold 5x magnum (55% at max I think) combo card for archers? I know it's only additive based on the base damage before other multipliers, but it's something?
R6 is basically tied. R7 once that's released will beat a 50 ego.
Is it a staff? S. Is it anything else at all? R.
Speaking of R everything, when are they switching shuriken to the full 2h red bonus like KR has? Right now they are only barely ahead as R.
im talking about R7 vs S7 tribolt vs ego
-
spirit2roam wrote on 2016-07-29 20:02
Quote from callback;1297124:
R6 is basically tied. R7 once that's released will beat a 50 ego.
It does? If so, by how bad and why?
-
ironwoman wrote on 2016-07-29 20:34
Quote from spirit2roam;1297119:
One thing I've wanted to ask about is the difference between an Ego Fire Wand and a R7 max roll tribolt. Is the difference in power between the two huge, or is it like the bhafel / CRX comparison where each one has their own benefits?
The difference is small and R7 beats out by a small margin. Whether you think bothering to R7 or egoing for a guaranteed result is up to you.
Quote from bob;1297121:
adding onto previous question, what about R/S upgrade comparison?
R6 needs like 300 MA to be performing better (average damage wise) than S6, and the cutoff for R7 is even lower, so R7 still basically wins.
Quote from callback;1297124:
Speaking of milking "every bonus," how valuable is a permanent gold 5x magnum (55% at max I think) combo card for archers? I know it's only additive based on the base damage before other multipliers, but it's something?
R6 is basically tied. R7 once that's released will beat a 50 ego.
Is it a staff? S. Is it anything else at all? R.
Speaking of R everything, when are they switching shuriken to the full 2h red bonus like KR has? Right now they are only barely ahead as R.
Those gold combo cards are your most efficient option as far as combo cards go, though making them permanent is debatable.
Also ego beats out R6 by a margin, I'm not sure if I would call it "basically tied"
As for shuriken part, we don't know yet. Judging from the patches so far, we should have gotten it by now, and if we do get it later, it will most likely be a ghost patch.