ironwoman's Gear Guide 2.0

• gundamweed wrote on 2016-07-29 20:41
  The content within the guide is good, but the delivery could use some work. Oh well, not everyone has ties to writing tutors.
  
  For example, one of the first sentences reads as "...back in the days, but that is outdated and not updated." You could exclude the updated part because it's redundant, and exclude the s from "days." It could use some proof reading to avoid comma splices and the like. These things would help the guide read more fluidly.
• spirit2roam wrote on 2016-07-29 20:58

  Quote from ironwoman;1297132:

  The difference is small and R7 beats out by a small margin. Whether you think bothering to R7 or egoing for a guaranteed result is up to you.
  

  
  
  After seeing my luck with special upgrading the past two weeks, not really. That combined with trying to get a max roll tribolt as well is just another RNG factor to deal with. Thanks for the info.
• Fabian wrote on 2016-07-30 00:46

  Quote from ironwoman;1297115:

  Nexon themselves said the dragon any dragon equips or apostle/divine equips will not be released in gachapon of any region (or weapons of the same tier), as well as the previous enchanted accs not making a comeback (this is a reference to fierce, avenger, steel needle accs). They literally said it. Maybe the news isn't heard by NA server because it was a Korean interview, but like I have kept saying before, those weapons will NOT be in gachapons. Literally 0 exception.

  
  Okay, I'll trust Nexon on this.
  
  

  How Nexon has been making money is through collabs and fashion (currently FSN and Kingdom of the Wind collab in KR server). Not by special combat means usually. The recent exception would be the Samhain gachapon that finally released Chorus enchants.

  
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but FSN box has quite a few strong weapons in its arsenal, namely BDK Sword/Bow which trivialize most other weapons from the get go. You have to spent tens of millions to get something better than said weapons, no?
  
  

  About your subpar gear comment. It does make a big difference. Ranking in WD and BD raids isn't a good way to measure because most people will be trying to DPS rather than get points because points don't really matter much in the raids. And getting rank 20 in a group of ~30 people max probably isn't a good sign either, if points mean anything to you. Here's the thing: you haven't had the access to best of the best gears (and stats for now), which also means you don't know how much you can do with it. Can't make a comparison without experiencing both.

  
  Well, I'm not entirely sure how many people there were (I'm focusing on life skills atm), but there were more than 30 people killing the dragon, that's for sure. True, they didn't mean much because I couldn't find the quest for my role in the raid. I was just attacking randomly and still placed in the top 20s. As for gear, my gear used to be the best you could get years ago, but I only ever used it in Elite missions/Field boss hunting. For everything else, I'd use my pair of r3/s3 gladii. It got the job done just fine. This was before the massive stat boosts we now get from new skills/talents, mind you. There's not much difference between now and then, except I can now do elite with cheap throwaway green beam swords.
  
  By the way, I'm not saying BDK Bow/Tengu Magnum lv20 are the best there is. I'm saying they are 1,000,000,000 times cheaper than the best of the best, while only dealing half the damage those deal.
• ironwoman wrote on 2016-07-30 05:29

  Quote from Fabian;1297138:

  
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but FSN box has quite a few strong weapons in its arsenal, namely BDK Sword/Bow which trivialize most other weapons from the get go. You have to spent tens of millions to get something better than said weapons, no?
  
  As for gear, my gear used to be the best you could get years ago, but I only ever used it in Elite missions/Field boss hunting. For everything else, I'd use my pair of r3/s3 gladii. It got the job done just fine. This was before the massive stat boosts we now get from new skills/talents, mind you. There's not much difference between now and then, except I can now do elite with cheap throwaway green beam swords.
  
  By the way, I'm not saying BDK Bow/Tengu Magnum lv20 are the best there is. I'm saying they are 1,000,000,000 times cheaper than the best of the best, while only dealing half the damage those deal.

  
  
  Actually, the biggest point of attraction of the FSN boxes are the fashion stuff, and BDK Bow as well as the BDK sword isn't attractive because the weapons can easily be outclassed by the character's stats (for example, as long as you get high 600's max with an HLB, it already outclasses BDK bow), as well as BDK sword not being a good weapon because of being unable to double bash. So no, you don't have to spend "tens of millions" to get better weapons or better damages because even battle swords are better options than BDK sword.
  
  Best gear back then =/= best gear now, and you probably haven't seen many people run around with what would be considered a S+ tier gear (because most will sit with the gacha reforged equips). Being able to do contents and being able to do them efficiently are different things. Obviously, better gears will allow you to run contents more efficiently (which isn't a big deal for things like elite missions, but is for Alban Heroic SS, Rabbie Phantasm, etc)
• gundamweed wrote on 2016-07-30 06:30

  Quote from ironwoman;1297143:

  BDK sword not being a good weapon because of being unable to double bash.

  
  
  This is false. The BDK sword can double bash just fine.
  
  Also, I just absolutely adore how you slip that bit in your tier list about smash having potential to beat bash in terms of DPS.
• ironwoman wrote on 2016-07-30 16:54
  Being able to double bash with slow weapon is largely dependent on your connection, and most of the players in the west coast still can't do it. Even if they can, it still bashes slower than FGS or other better bash weapons.
  
  As for the smash reforge, I'm just saying it's an option should they somehow meet the ideal situations. Still not that worth in my eyes.
• Fabian wrote on 2016-08-02 05:18
  Sorry for the late reply. I've been training like mad with double rainbow. xD
  

  Quote from ironwoman;1297143:

  Actually, the biggest point of attraction of the FSN boxes are the fashion stuff, and BDK Bow as well as the BDK sword isn't attractive because the weapons can easily be outclassed by the character's stats (for example, as long as you get high 600's max with an HLB, it already outclasses BDK bow), as well as BDK sword not being a good weapon because of being unable to double bash. So no, you don't have to spend "tens of millions" to get better weapons or better damages because even battle swords are better options than BDK sword.

  
  I haven't seen many people actually buying FSN fashion stuff. I like FSN myself, but most of the clothing/hair styles/faces look like crap. I have seen lots of BDK stuff selling for 1m+ (r1 reforged) and it seems a lot more common to see them than the clothing.
  
  Regarding HLB...is this one of those "max damage vs R special upgrade" things? Because critical hitting something in elite for 30k doesn't help me much (unless it's the boss), while one shotting waves with one regular windmill helps clear the mission a lot faster. To make it fair, let's compare the BDK Bow to a max level bow Ego. HLB Max Lv Ego = 82~136 vs BDK Bow 60~140. It seems way too easy to get such damage for such tiny cost.
  
  

  Best gear back then =/= best gear now, and you probably haven't seen many people run around with what would be considered a S+ tier gear (because most will sit with the gacha reforged equips). Being able to do contents and being able to do them efficiently are different things. Obviously, better gears will allow you to run contents more efficiently (which isn't a big deal for things like elite missions, but is for Alban Heroic SS, Rabbie Phantasm, etc)

  
  I actually haven't touched G19+. 4x Talent/returned title/double rainbow have made sure I don't do anything other than train life skills. help. I'll have to try Rabbie Phantasm though. I didn't know it was already in game (have only been seen old KR trailers for it).
  
  Also I ended up getting a r1 BDK Bow while I had the chance. I'll get back with some results once I finish my life skill quest! :bath:
• ironwoman wrote on 2016-08-02 05:41
  You don't need to crit 30k in elites, you just need to look at the max damage cut off, which isn't very high. Comparing BDK bow to an ego is actually not a "fair" comparison because BDK is doing exactly what it's supposed to do - make bow egos useless (not to mention HLB isn't the highest max ego). Also looking at how outdated egos are in general (with few exceptions), they shouldn't be used for comparison. And the max damage vs R upgrade is valid here, because of how easily accessible damage is at the moment, that you will surpass the breakpoint easily.
  
  Also Rabbie Phantasm isn't in NA yet, but it will be soon.
• Fabian wrote on 2016-08-02 06:17
  Max damage cut off? Is this the "after a certain threshold R will always beat S" argument? Damage wise this is obviously true since one crit will make up for, and outdamage, your previous normal hits. Convenience wise though, I find myself wanting a high max, protection piercing weapon in order to one shot waves instead of relying on scoring a critical hit. To each their own, I guess.
  
  Why is BDK Bow supposed to make ego bows useless? I don't think I follow. Sorry, I used HLB because we were talking about it. Breakpoint or not, I find myself increasingly annoyed at my over reliance on critical hits. Not landing a critical can make a wave go from seconds to minutes uselessly bludgeoning all the enemies to death. I assume this might not be the case for Archery though. I have seen them hit higher with Crash Shot than others with Windmill. o_o
• ironwoman wrote on 2016-08-02 07:55

  Quote from Fabian;1297197:

  
  Why is BDK Bow supposed to make ego bows useless? I don't think I follow. Sorry, I used HLB because we were talking about it. Breakpoint or not, I find myself increasingly annoyed at my over reliance on critical hits. Not landing a critical can make a wave go from seconds to minutes uselessly bludgeoning all the enemies to death. I assume this might not be the case for Archery though. I have seen them hit higher with Crash Shot than others with Windmill. o_o

  
  
  Because that is what BDK bow and sword was designed to do, give players a quick spike of power without spending too much money, while still being outclassed by number of weapons (similar to beam sword concepts, though sword is basically outclassed by all melee weapons relevant, even those that are mid game tier weapons). And not landing a crit resulting in no kill isn't a problem of the R upgraded effect, it's stats problem. I'm going to have to assume here that you don't really have high stat regarding archery (as well as proper gears) to make it really work, because unlike other talents, Archery isn't something that you can get away with, with just stats or just gears, you need both. The reason Crash Shot hits higher is because of how the damage formula works, and how the reforges increase Crash Shot's damage greatly because Crash Shot reforges, like few other skills that have reforge be able to alter more than two factors in the damage calculation (like Lance Charge HB Additional Distance, Main Target Damage, etc), namely Crash Shot Fragment Damage and Crash Shot Fragment number. You can easily surpass Windmill's damage just by hitting the max target Crash Shot allows you to hit, and you can further increase those by the said reforges, though the Fragment Damage reforge isn't really needed that much when you have the Fragments Number reforge.
• Fabian wrote on 2016-08-12 00:47
  I hate to be a sore loser, but this is just too good to pass up:
  
  http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00IyD
  
  :skip:
• ironwoman wrote on 2016-08-12 06:56
  Yeah. figured.
  
  I guess KR devs only meant KR regions, and apparently NA isn't included in their "region".
  
  Note that KR servers never got to see their equivalent of Fierce accs again, like the Restored White Horse Dorren's Robe.