why are giants better than humans?

• KEL331 wrote on 2010-09-09 15:17

  Quote from Sayoko;150499:

  EFFFF are humans kinda worthless now other than for magic? Range is useless in HM shadow missions. I melee/alchemy on my human ><

  
  
  Not to worry~!
  CS will save you human archers in HM shadow missions!!! :2thumb:
  
  and no they aren't and never will be worthless.
  Humans still have a decent dmg, just not as big as Giants.
  
  like I said earlier humans are All-Round characters
  they can change between melee, range, or magic pretty much whenever they want
  
  
  Oh yeah, almost forgot.
  Giants don't have fake death or rock throwing!
  not that you really need'em or anything but atleast humans can actually use it! XD
• Piko wrote on 2010-09-09 15:18
  Meanwhile elves are completely ignored. /Offended due to playing a Melee Elf D:
• Juno wrote on 2010-09-09 15:55

  Quote from abc33kr;150473:

  they have more str increasing skills.

  
  
  No :< Giants have like 5-10% more str than humans from skills. They do however get a lot more from lvling in terms of str/dex/will
  
  

  Quote from Intaine;150478:

  We have fullswing, 1040% dmg AOE anyone? :D

  
  
  1,100% I thought it was, but either way very yes~
  
  

  Quote from Crimmy;150487:

  We have more Str and also more combat skills. Humans may have Final Hit but they don't have Wind Guard + Taunt, Stomp, reduced Smash load time or Charge without a shield.

  
  
  Also yes.
  
  

  Quote from Pikablu;150515:

  Meanwhile elves are completely ignored. /Offended due to playing a Melee Elf D:

• spazzyorbit wrote on 2010-09-09 17:34
  >>>iron mace ego<<<http://wiki.yydzh.com/index.php?Equipment/%E7%B2%BE%E7%81%B5%E6%AD%A6%E5%99%A8/%E9%92%9D%E5%99%A8%E7%B2%BE%E7%81%B5%E5%B1%9E%E6%80%A7#o1279f38
• Rebel wrote on 2010-09-09 17:51

  Quote from Sayoko;150499:

  EFFFF are humans kinda worthless now other than for magic? Range is useless in HM shadow missions. I melee/alchemy on my human ><

  
  
  Campfire Mag crit pretty much 1hko's grumbills in defeat fomor commander 2 and the other sm where they are Ice.
  but yea.. other than that range is kinda useless in sm.
• Phanterz wrote on 2010-09-09 22:28

  Quote from Adori;150582:

  Campfire Mag crit pretty much 1hko's grumbills in defeat fomor commander 2 and the other sm where they are Ice.
  but yea.. other than that range is kinda useless in sm.

  
  
  I beg to differ.
  [video=youtube;KOj5FLy9lrI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOj5FLy9lrI[/video]
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-09-10 02:34
  Correction: Giant melee > Human Melee
  
  The primary advantage of being Human will always be their flexibility. There are just some monsters than Giants and Elves will independently be unable to defeat efficiently.
  
  That being said, each race is what I would call "separate but equal".
  
  Giants may have fail ranged skills but their melee damage output is frightening especially if they have assistance from humans and elves using support shot. Giant blunt weapons not only outclass human swords but also get the stronger mastery skill in G13. They have improved flexibility when using melee combat with a faster smash and shieldless charge similar to elven magnum shot and mounted combat.
  
  ...and Human archers are fine. Our magnum might be slow but our Crash Shot aims faster than our elven counterparts.
• Rebel wrote on 2010-09-10 11:36

  Quote from Phanterz;150823:

  I beg to differ.
  [video=youtube;KOj5FLy9lrI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOj5FLy9lrI[/video]

  
  From what i can tell in this sm, the mobs are all single aggro, so you have time to load magnum, try that in fomor commander 2 Hard Mode... Where the lancers aggro you 2 at a time. Even the archers at...2:13? single aggro?.. so yea.. not an accurate representation of the shadow missions i was referring to.
  
  
  Also the grumbills... They aren't the ICE grumbills i was talking about, these (as stated on wiki) are the lightning grumbills, who are LOADS easier to kill than ice. They have like Half of the protection and about 1/4 the hp of the other grumbills.
  
  But yea...Only elf range is adequate for hard mode shadow missions most of the time.
• Crimmy wrote on 2010-09-10 14:05

  Quote from Phanterz;150823:

  I beg to differ.

  
  
  I'd imagine doing any SM in trans 90% of the time isn't too difficult.
• pataterose wrote on 2010-09-10 18:03
  because the end games way of doing dungeon/sm are usualy either melee or magic (maybe a bit of alchemy left and right) and giants are better than human in melee, and not that much handicaped magic wise. why are they beter in melee?
  -dual blunt instead of sword ->more damage
  - giant full swing
  -can use charge without shield
  - move faster (really useful for wm positionning)
  -faster smash
  - ego have more damage
  - in g13, blunt mastery gives more damage than sword mastery.
  - better melee title (stomp master plox), but in the really end games, its irrelevant when shock master title becomes the best for both races(or maiz title for notion).
  - more str from skill (not that much more, but its there)
  -more unique melee skill
  -more hp
  
  there is some downside to melee giant tough
  - enchants less awesome (no raven greaves nor delusional hat, wooden needle is soon to be replaced by steel needle anyway)
  -harder to get enough dex for best weapon, but can be overdone with player's will :v
  -until warhammer is usable, harder to get 30% crit rate when potion poisoned.
• Archibald wrote on 2010-09-10 22:45

  Quote from pataterose;151429:

  because the end games way of doing dungeon/sm are usualy either melee or magic (maybe a bit of alchemy left and right) and giants are better than human in melee, and not that much handicaped magic wise. why are they beter in melee?
  -dual blunt instead of sword ->more damage
  - giant full swing
  -can use charge without shield
  - move faster (really useful for wm positionning)
  -faster smash
  - ego have more damage
  - in g13, blunt mastery gives more damage than sword mastery.
  - better melee title (stomp master plox), but in the really end games, its irrelevant when shock master title becomes the best for both races(or maiz title for notion).
  - more str from skill (not that much more, but its there)
  -more unique melee skill
  -more hp
  
  there is some downside to melee giant tough
  - enchants less awesome (no raven greaves nor delusional hat, wooden needle is soon to be replaced by steel needle anyway)
  -harder to get enough dex for best weapon, but can be overdone with player's will :v
  -until warhammer is usable, harder to get 30% crit rate when potion poisoned.

  
  
  Enchants less awsome?
  Try
  
  Conceptual -Str+5
  Will+20
  If Combat Mastery Rank 1, Max Damage+8~14
  When using the One Who Discovered Maiz Prairie Ruins title, Max Damage+5
  If Wind Guard Rank 5+, Str+20
  Int-10
  Repair Costx2
  Enchant enabled rank regardless
  Personalize
  Try
  
  Reliable Spike Dual Warhammers.
  Prefix Reliable A Weapons If Beast Lord, Str+30
  If Beast Lord, Dex+10
  If Life of Physis Rank 8+, Max Damage+8
  If Shield of Physis Rank C+, Balance+6%
  Repair Costx5
  
  Suffix Spike 5 Weapons If Potion Making Rank A+, Str+10
  If Herbalism Rank 9+, Dex+10
  Max Damage+10
  Repair Cost+10%
  
  If you Duel Wield those thats +80 str and + 18 to each weapon effectively making those.....137+ max damage Each with 30%+ crit (smithed gives a little extra) Plus 20 dex Plus 12% balance (which helps giants alot). I am not sure if the reliable enchant is ONLY in trans or not. If so its not as good but it does make for a HAX trans set. Wm anyone?
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-09-11 00:22
  The +30 Strength from Reliable only triggers in Beast Lord.
  
  Just choose one of the few +max damage prefix weapon enchants that are higher than 8 max damage or something.
  
  Ego Iron Mace is pure win.
• pataterose wrote on 2010-09-11 17:01
  conceptual=notion enchant too, and race doesn't matter for it.
• Finnea wrote on 2010-09-11 17:05

  Quote from Zid;150495:

  This doesn't apply when using skills such as Smash, Counter, or Windmill.

  
  
  [(Base damage) + (first weapon damage) + (second weapon damage)] * (% damage multiplier of skill)
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-09-11 17:08

  Quote from pataterose;152117:

  conceptual=notion enchant too, and race doesn't matter for it.

  
  
  but that windguard str looks sexy. xP